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Read some crap about Sage saying he wouldn't sell De Silva for less than a million dollars - how about we focus on letting the kid play the game first, then worry about whether we should/could/would sell him later, eh Sagey?
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to add to that if he were to be sold, it should be to a club thats good for his development.
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Sage was muzzled for too long. He had to get his voice out there...
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Eastern Glory
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switters wrote:to add to that if he were to be sold, it should be to a club thats good for his development. Surely that's for Danny and his agent to decide though?
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I was just thinking it had been a while since Sage had said something.
I love how everyone over East thinks Sage is awesome, when if they actually listened to half the shit that came out off his mouth, they'd think a lot less of him. Notice how he's most passionate during the good times.
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Eastern Glory
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Benjo wrote:I was just thinking it had been a while since Sage had said something.
I love how everyone over East thinks Sage is awesome, when if they actually listened to half the shit that came out off his mouth, they'd think a lot less of him. Notice how he's most passionate during the good times. Aren't we all though? Despite his somewhat seesawing relationship with fans, Sage has stuck by the club and is actively involved in the making the league a more professional place. He's also quite active in working with other owners to negotiate with and help the FFA. I'll never forget seeing him sprint across the pitch after the penalty shoot out with CCM. After jumping around like a fanboi with the players he ran all the way to the travelling fans, screaming, before jumping the fence to celebrate with us. Side note; love that this is by far the most active supports thread! It's great fellas, and always a well thought out and calm discussion going on too. Love it.
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Meh i like Sage. Sure he opens his mouth sometimes, but i can deal with it.
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Eastern Glory wrote:Benjo wrote:I was just thinking it had been a while since Sage had said something.
I love how everyone over East thinks Sage is awesome, when if they actually listened to half the shit that came out off his mouth, they'd think a lot less of him. Notice how he's most passionate during the good times. Aren't we all though? Despite his somewhat seesawing relationship with fans, Sage has stuck by the club and is actively involved in the making the league a more professional place. He's also quite active in working with other owners to negotiate with and help the FFA. I'll never forget seeing him sprint across the pitch after the penalty shoot out with CCM. After jumping around like a fanboi with the players he ran all the way to the travelling fans, screaming, before jumping the fence to celebrate with us. Side note; love that this is by far the most active supports thread! It's great fellas, and always a well thought out and calm discussion going on too. Love it. Adelaide and Sydney's are on the first page as well and has more pages. :D Sage has "stuck by" whilst the back office always seems to be a mess, with nothing coming out that's indicated otherwise (how many 'personal assistants' are employed at the club atm?). He's been gradually tightening the belt on the on-field section of the club too which is why we're all "youth crazy" at the moment, which when you consider things can be quite high-risk.
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Granted AndyToddsElbow, the appointment of Edwards and his philosophical approach is DEFINITELY a differential. Sure 'cost cutting' was already underway, but Edwards and his philosophy, combined with the opportunity of player's contracts expiring or having already left during Fergie's reign, provided Edwards with the ideal opportunity to make this squad his own.
Devil's Advocate or what not, but IF Fergie had somehow stayed on, I would NOT expect the squad to be looking like this, not to this degree anyway. There'd both be 1-2 more A-League veterans (Heffernan kept on?), even the likes of Matt Thompson possibly? And definitely a greater use/full compliment of VISA players. That's where Edward's philosophy, rather than club policy, really kicks in I think. He has more youngsters 'at the expense' of possible VISA recruits.
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Eastern Glory
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Benjo wrote:I was just thinking it had been a while since Sage had said something.
I love how everyone over East thinks Sage is awesome, when if they actually listened to half the shit that came out off his mouth, they'd think a lot less of him. Notice how he's most passionate during the good times. Aren't we all though? Despite his somewhat seesawing relationship with fans, Sage has stuck by the club and is actively involved in the making the league a more professional place. He's also quite active in working with other owners to negotiate with and help the FFA. I'll never forget seeing him sprint across the pitch after the penalty shoot out with CCM. After jumping around like a fanboi with the players he ran all the way to the travelling fans, screaming, before jumping the fence to celebrate with us. Side note; love that this is by far the most active supports thread! It's great fellas, and always a well thought out and calm discussion going on too. Love it. Adelaide and Sydney's are on the first page as well and has more pages. :D Sage has "stuck by" whilst the back office always seems to be a mess, with nothing coming out that's indicated otherwise (how many 'personal assistants' are employed at the club atm?). He's been gradually tightening the belt on the on-field section of the club too which is why we're all "youth crazy" at the moment, which when you consider things can be quite high-risk. I meant in the last 2 months :lol: this thread never used to get used lol. I'm not saying he's a perfect owner, but I think he deserves more credit that he gets from some people.
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Main Entry: ver·bose
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)vər-ˈbōs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin verbosus, from verbum
Date: 1672
1 : containing more words than necessary
I love your views GloryPerth, but you really need to find a way to say more with less. :)
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Eastern Glory wrote:Benjo wrote:I was just thinking it had been a while since Sage had said something.
I love how everyone over East thinks Sage is awesome, when if they actually listened to half the shit that came out off his mouth, they'd think a lot less of him. Notice how he's most passionate during the good times. Aren't we all though? Despite his somewhat seesawing relationship with fans, Sage has stuck by the club and is actively involved in the making the league a more professional place. He's also quite active in working with other owners to negotiate with and help the FFA. I'll never forget seeing him sprint across the pitch after the penalty shoot out with CCM. After jumping around like a fanboi with the players he ran all the way to the travelling fans, screaming, before jumping the fence to celebrate with us. Side note; love that this is by far the most active supports thread! It's great fellas, and always a well thought out and calm discussion going on too. Love it. ^^^ agreed. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm a Sage 'fan'... but he put his money up and bought the club. AND he has, for the most part, protected the club for its history and what it represents to fans. Did he change the colours? No. Did he relocate from Perth Oval? No. As a Perth Glory fan, I'd say things since Sage took over are massively better than what they were beforehand. We're not back to where we were around 1999-2003 but we're on the right track. The match-day experience is a good one (just too overpriced). If Sage wants to use the club to promote himself and swan around with VIPs and advertise his other businesses and magazines then that's his right because he pays the bills. Just as long as he doesn't embroil the club in any dodgy tax crap or make decisions clearly against the fans' view of off-field matters then he's fine by me.
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Perth Glory Online wrote:[size=9]ON TRACK FOR GLORY - PRE-SEASON PROGRESS REPORT[/size]Monday, 26 August 2013 6:50 PM  With the Glory squad now entering the second half of its pre-season preparations and the opening game of the 2013-2014 Hyundai A-League looming large on the horizon, Perth Glory Online caught up with Head Coach Alistair Edwards to get his assessment of how his charges are progressing. Perth Glory Online: Alistair, the squad has been back in training now for just over seven weeks, how would you characterise the pre-season build-up to date?Alistair Edwards: I've been extremely pleased with our preparations so far. We've had the two overseas trips to South Africa and Malaysia and played against quality opposition which has been great because it's enabled us to work on a lot of tactical things and ensured that the team have been able to build a really strong bond during the time that they've been away together. I've been involved with many teams through the years and I have to say that the bond within this group is one of the best that I've been involved with. But the best thing about pre-season so far is that every player in the squad has had equal game time. The whole idea of our first six-week cycle was to make sure that the players feel that they belong in the first team squad. The young players realise that they are among some really good experienced players, but they also know that they are going to be given an opportunity and they know that they need to take that opportunity when it comes. They also understand that they need to embrace the culture that we now have at the club. PGO: The players and coaching staff sat down for a meeting last week, what were the major points to come out of those discussions?AE: We had a strategic review of our first six-week cycle and the two trips away in which we discussed what we had learned. It started with us discussing what type of team we want to be, how we see ourselves and how we want to be seen. The players came up with some really excellent responses; in fact we were blown away by the positive responses from the group. We talked about the things that we're good at and what we need to work on, what barriers we have and how we can overcome them, what expectations we have as a coaching staff and what they (the players) expect from us. We've taken all that on board and that provides us with a blueprint of how things are going and what we need to work on between now and the start of the season. But what really came out was that they are very happy with the environment that has been created and there's a complete buy-in to the philosophy. Now it's about working on the finer details to bring that philosophy to life. PGO: Now that we've moved into the second-half of pre-season and the new league campaign is drawing closer, how will the nature of the preparations change?AE: The first seven weeks were more about getting everyone involved, building capacity in a physiological sense and getting some of the younger guys some first- team experience. Now the focus is shifting towards the first game of the season and making sure that our players are match fit. The next phase is to get players playing 90 minutes on a regular basis and starting to hone in on the starting eleven. That causes challenges because we have enough players for two teams. In the games from now on, the players will be playing for longer, so we'll organise other games for a second group and then mix and match that as we go along. That's going to create some fierce competition within the squad and that's a healthy thing. We've got two players for every position and they all want to play, but obviously if you do the maths, only eleven will be starting against Adelaide. PGO: At a personal level, you seem to be relishing every minute of being back at the club. What are the most enjoyable aspects of the job?AE: I love it. For me it's a huge privilege to be given the opportunity to be the first former Glory player to become Head Coach of the club. But with that comes responsibility and that's why it was so important to get good people around and we've done that. The whole coaching staff are not only good at what they do, they are also good people and that's rubbing off on the whole playing group. I love coming to training and working with the guys because we've got such great experienced players and they are all buying in to what we're doing and are taking on leadership roles within the team. And I can also see that there's a little sparkle in the eyes of the younger players because they are in a really good environment and they are learning from some great people. PGO: Turning our attentions to the recent pre-season friendlies, we've seen Ndumba Makeche score against both Johor and the WA State Team. Have you been impressed by his performances?AE: Ndumba is one of the younger players within our squad who knows he will be given an opportunity and it's up to him to take it when it comes. We've spoken to him individually in depth about the things he needs to work on if he wants to be an A-League player and pleasingly, he's taken those things on board. A lot of the younger players are really good people, but they are a bit quiet, so we are working on how to get them to have more presence in games. Ndumba falls into that category. He knows what he has to work on and he's seeing the work ethic and attention to detail of the likes of Jacob Burns and Steven McGarry and also the way even someone as young as Danny De Silva backs himself on the field. He's been working on developing that belief in himself and it's always good for a striker to get a couple of goals. PGO: On the subject of strikers, how much of a blow is it to have Shane Smeltz unavailable for the early rounds of the new campaign?AE: Obviously we want all of our best players to be available and Shane is one of our best players, so it's disappointing that he won't be available for the start of the season. But now the challenge has been set to Jamie Maclaren, Ryo Nagai, Chris Harold and Ndumba Makeche because we need to find out who can take over that mantle of the chief striker in Shane's absence. We're hoping that one of those guys will do that and in turn, that will cause a problem for Shane when he comes back. That's what we are trying to instil in the group; that if you are playing well, it doesn't matter who you are or how old you are, you will play. Shane is working hard and chomping at the bit to get back on the field, but he's got a way to go yet. PGO: That opening game of the 2013-2014 season will unfortunately now be played in Adelaide rather than Perth, will that have much of an impact upon the players?AE: It doesn’t really disrupt our plans to be honest. Whether we play at home or away, nothing's going to change. The only disappointing thing is that the fans wanted to see us playing at home in the first game of the season. But it's out of our control and we'll get that home game back later in the year. If you're going to win the championship, you've got to be able to win on the road and we'll take a positive mindset over to Adelaide. PGO: And finally, we saw Ljubo Milicevic and Harry O'Brien added to the squad last week. There is still one place available on the roster, so are you still in the market to bring another new recruit on board?AE: We're not in the market and to be honest we weren't in the market before Ljubo called. But when someone of his calibre expressed a strong desire to come to the club, that triggered plenty of interest among Scott Miller, Gareth Naven and myself. I know Ljubo is going to be a fantastic fit for Glory. We already have a very good squad, but if circumstances do change, we've got that one spot left open. We've got a couple of local guys training with us, like Dean Evans and it could end up being taken by one of them. Key points: CF position seems to be down to Maclaren, Nagai, Harold and Makeche. Ljubes asked to join us, and we are not planning to add to our roster. Edited by Scoll: 27/8/2013 11:34:28 AM
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But we do have an open spot, which puzzles me...
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Eastern Glory wrote: Despite his somewhat seesawing relationship with fans, Sage has stuck by the club and is actively involved in the making the league a more professional place.
Like when he implies referees won't be safe when they come back to Perth, or shoots his mouth off about Nick Tana at every available opportunity... Seriously, Glory may not even still exist if it wasn't for Sage and I'll happily thank him for that. But the guy is better off pulling strings and having conversations in the background and then gaffer taped in public. He's a loose cannon and attention-seeking, and frankly while you're entitled to swan around with fashion models if you like, I'd prefer if owners were seen but not heard.
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Wow... Such specific answers. I'm incredibly impressed at the depth he went into about Makache and alike.
Clearly this season is going to be very transparent.
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Any highlights for the Cockburn game?
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f1dave
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So apparently the Glory have a team in the new WA NPL next year... http://www.footballwest.com.au/index.php?id=11&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2013&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=08&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=756&cHash=4f4f7d9ec97a8f8a2afeff0d0fc0c2bfEdited by f1dave: Turns out they DO have a team. 27/8/2013 05:27:53 PMEdited by f1dave: 27/8/2013 05:31:58 PM
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Very interesting, exciting from my point of view. I mean we get to watch Glory's 2nd team/youth team in the off season in our state comp which is good. Looks like all the clubs from the state premier league are in besides Bunbury and NTC, plus the addition of Subiaco
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bovs wrote:Did he change the colours? No. YES. He took Orange out of the equation for the club strip (except for a few trimmings). That was Sage. bovs wrote:Did he relocate from Perth Oval? No. Are you serious? He's been bitching and threatening to do it almost from day one. bovs wrote:As a Perth Glory fan, I'd say things since Sage took over are massively better than what they were beforehand. We're not back to where we were around 1999-2003 but we're on the right track. The match-day experience is a good one (just too overpriced). Really? Memberships are still a mess, season after season. Despite the teams brought together we sill had seasons of under-performing and average coaches. There has been a lot of backroom messes (Coyne/Sterjovski's contracts, Jamie Coyne's depature, Staff sackings etc). The promise of hope has been there but there hasn't been any actual delivery on it. I agree with the statements that Sage being around this long has brought some stability and like fans should feel towards all owners, thanks that they're putting their money up but that's about as far as the goodwill goes. 4 seasons of incompetence on and off the pitch and all of a sudden because we have one acclaimed Aussie coach things are back to being purple-tinted. I don't buy that.
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f1dave wrote:Eastern Glory wrote: Despite his somewhat seesawing relationship with fans, Sage has stuck by the club and is actively involved in the making the league a more professional place.
Like when he implies referees won't be safe when they come back to Perth, or shoots his mouth off about Nick Tana at every available opportunity... Seriously, Glory may not even still exist if it wasn't for Sage and I'll happily thank him for that. But the guy is better off pulling strings and having conversations in the background and then gaffer taped in public. He's a loose cannon and attention-seeking, and frankly while you're entitled to swan around with fashion models if you like, I'd prefer if owners were seen but not heard. Oh should have read this first. Exactly my thoughts. f1dave wrote:But we do have an open spot, which puzzles me... Yeah I don't know. Could either be 1) whoever running PGO has their facts wrong or 2) they're including Dodd's IR as an open slot Either way, a bit strange
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fantastic to see the npl will be up and running soon. will have to go and watch a few games, not to sure what team to support.
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-=GLoRiOuS=- wrote:Very interesting, exciting from my point of view. I mean we get to watch Glory's 2nd team/youth team in the off season in our state comp which is good. Looks like all the clubs from the state premier league are in besides Bunbury and NTC, plus the addition of Subiaco Big for the state league having an arm of a HAL club playing in it. Should bump attendances a little and potentially promote more local interest. Not saying it will cause WAFL level local support, but it would be nice to have people connect with their local clubs.
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Scoll wrote:-=GLoRiOuS=- wrote:Very interesting, exciting from my point of view. I mean we get to watch Glory's 2nd team/youth team in the off season in our state comp which is good. Looks like all the clubs from the state premier league are in besides Bunbury and NTC, plus the addition of Subiaco Big for the state league having an arm of a HAL club playing in it. Should bump attendances a little and potentially promote more local interest. Not saying it will cause WAFL level local support, but it would be nice to have people connect with their local clubs. Or it could sap local support to the HAL team. It could work both ways.
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AndyToddsElbow wrote: Could either be 1) whoever running PGO has their facts wrong or 2) they're including Dodd's IR as an open slot
It's number 2. @switters- It won't differ much from the state league, you should catch a game or two on the next weekend or so to see the teams in action; finals are up soon too. Edited by f1dave: 27/8/2013 10:13:08 PM
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This made my eyebrows go up: Quote:Glory will replace Football West’s National Training Centre team, which currently plays in the All Flags State Premier League. Teams in younger age groups (under-12 to under-16 and under-18) will be drawn from Skill Acquisition Programs and NTC groups. They will play for points across all age groups from under-12 and will wear Perth Glory kit. Just as well I gave up that whole refereeing gig - don't think I'd be that reliable having with one side in Glory kit.
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Procrastination, need to check that, edit down. AndyToddsElbow wrote:bovs wrote:Did he relocate from Perth Oval? No. Are you serious? He's been bitching and threatening to do it almost from day one. Brinkmanship. AndyToddsElbow wrote:bovs wrote:As a Perth Glory fan, I'd say things since Sage took over are massively better than what they were beforehand. We're not back to where we were around 1999-2003 but we're on the right track. The match-day experience is a good one (just too overpriced). Really? I agree with the statements that Sage being around this long has brought some stability and like fans should feel towards all owners, thanks that they're putting their money up but that's about as far as the goodwill goes. 4 seasons of incompetence on and off the pitch and all of a sudden because we have one acclaimed Aussie coach things are back to being purple-tinted. I don't buy that. f1dave wrote: Seriously, Glory may not even still exist if it wasn't for Sage and I'll happily thank him for that. But the guy is better off pulling strings and having conversations in the background and then gaffer taped in public. He's a loose cannon and attention-seeking, and frankly while you're entitled to swan around with fashion models if you like, I'd prefer if owners were seen but not heard.
Seems to be a thing with 'Resource Magnate' owners? Though Tinkler hasn't had any gaffes? Though flipside, maybe he feels he needs to at times, due to perceived in-justice's? Stadium issues? way the A-League has been run? Glory's slice of the pie in-relation to... We've seen a number of concerns voiced in these areas, though also some in the heat of post-game, in response to ref decisions, fan reactions or what not? One gets the sense they're learning though? Longer they're there, more they learn? Surely the club slowly improves? I hope come next season, they have less excuses, issues, regarding the stadium, so then they can sort memberships and what not sooner, like other clubs. With the way the rest of the league is going in this area, surely Glory will cotton-on soon or they will be left behind?! Edited by GloryPerth: 28/8/2013 04:08:50 AM
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Nate wrote:This made my eyebrows go up: Quote:Glory will replace Football West’s National Training Centre team, which currently plays in the All Flags State Premier League. Teams in younger age groups (under-12 to under-16 and under-18) will be drawn from Skill Acquisition Programs and NTC groups. They will play for points across all age groups from under-12 and will wear Perth Glory kit. Sounds good (although I too will be torn between the Glory and my local teams*) I never understood the point of having the NTC "team" in the state league, where they play every other team but they earn 0 points regardless of the result. * - long story.
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GloryPerth wrote:Procrastination, need to check that, edit down. AndyToddsElbow wrote:bovs wrote:Did he relocate from Perth Oval? No. Are you serious? He's been bitching and threatening to do it almost from day one. Brinkmanship. AndyToddsElbow wrote:bovs wrote:As a Perth Glory fan, I'd say things since Sage took over are massively better than what they were beforehand. We're not back to where we were around 1999-2003 but we're on the right track. The match-day experience is a good one (just too overpriced). Really? I agree with the statements that Sage being around this long has brought some stability and like fans should feel towards all owners, thanks that they're putting their money up but that's about as far as the goodwill goes. 4 seasons of incompetence on and off the pitch and all of a sudden because we have one acclaimed Aussie coach things are back to being purple-tinted. I don't buy that. f1dave wrote: Seriously, Glory may not even still exist if it wasn't for Sage and I'll happily thank him for that. But the guy is better off pulling strings and having conversations in the background and then gaffer taped in public. He's a loose cannon and attention-seeking, and frankly while you're entitled to swan around with fashion models if you like, I'd prefer if owners were seen but not heard.
Seems to be a thing with 'Resource Magnate' owners? Though Tinkler hasn't had any gaffes? Though flipside, maybe he feels he needs to at times, due to perceived in-justice's? Stadium issues? way the A-League has been run? Glory's slice of the pie in-relation to... We've seen a number of concerns voiced in these areas, though also some in the heat of post-game, in response to ref decisions, fan reactions or what not? One gets the sense they're learning though? Longer they're there, more they learn? Surely the club slowly improves? I hope come next season, they have less excuses, issues, regarding the stadium, so then they can sort memberships and what not sooner, like other clubs. With the way the rest of the league is going in this area, surely Glory will cotton-on soon or they will be left behind?! Edited by GloryPerth: 28/8/2013 04:08:50 AM You mean the dodgy bordering-on-criminal bankrupt Nathan Tinkler? On the original points regarding Sage... I can't even remember the last kit we played in where orange was anything more than minor trim and less prominant than white on the shirt. Can't exactly blame Sage for that then. And he may continually threaten to move stadium, but he never has. And unless he does move and it's to somewhere worse than what we currently have how can you criticise him?! A lot of the issues with memberships and what-not aren't anything new... if you're talking about purple-tinted glasses then in my opinion that's what you seem to be looking back at the Tana/Catania days with... things were far from perfect back then as well. On-field... I do agree in that I think Sage never got footballing advice to make up for his own lack of knowledge other than through the coaches themselves... while most fans could see how badly Fergie and Mitch were as coaches, Sage was happy to take their advice which was of course that what they were doing was right. Really the club needs a director of football with unquestionable knowledge of the game... but I'm not surprised to think we can't afford one. And for all the on-field crapness... we have played finals twice and made a grand final in Sage's time as owner.
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