Indeed, few better audition 'opportunities' than the one that presented Lowe upon his own 'interim' appointment. He's actually been in-charge longer than what Ali Edwards' was when he took on interim duties last season (Fergie departed late Jan), so Lowe would be and indeed is, the first to admit it's not like he wasn't given a chance.

Trying circumstances indeed, but still, he's been given more than a decent audition, stint in-charge. No mid-season boost came from it, unlike many mid-term coaching appointments, so it's been a poor return from get-go, but again, as Lowe admitted last presser, that's for the selection committee/process to judge and they too will judge whether his candidature, is capable enough to take the team forward, including the evidence of the past 4/5 months.

I'm not bashing Lowe, kind of like the guy, he has reasonable credentials too, albeit inexperienced at this level, but tough decisions need to be made and the coaching regime needs authority to exact the change necessary going forward. Unfortunately a clean cut with a 'new authority' may be necessary to do so - as clearly it's a bigger challenge than 'the average club' especially given the way Ali Edwards departed!



Hmm well that's a good thing - June sounded ludicrous! Aslong as a proper, informed, due process is followed then hopefully that presents 'for them' the right candidate/s!

There IS some comparison with AU, despite Brewer's hesitation - Kossie leaving due to suffering from the familiar Pissantitis over there - AU, to their credit, sought an 'Independent Coach Selection Committee' who albeit disbandoned when the club didn't follow their recommendation. But they must've to some degree, given they 'found' Gombau. Gombau's style/background reflects the tastes of some of the 'former committee's' members - well, Craig Foster anyway!

So Gombau was found via a process, including one guided by an 'Independent Committee' comprised of informed football pros of varying perspectives. Glory seek to do similarly, employing 'consultants' it seems for their process? Not sure of these consultants, haven't investigated their background, nor do we know if they will be 'worth the cost' till we, not unlike AU, see the outcome.

And it's all about the outcome ofcourse - No point all this rigmarole only to 'confirm' Lowe and if they were soo set on Lowe, then why not announce his re-signing/extension weeks ago, like how Heart did with JVS or what not? Clearly not though - Lowe's odds diminish, the longer the delay and the worse the results - it can't be Lowe now and I think even the club 'surely' knows that now.

Maybe Brewer is being diplomatic - but his dampening down of the Foreign coach idea, supporting the local, swings soo much in that article as to set us up against it. I don't really understand that - I can understand not wanting to get hopes up, to keep a 'balanced perspective' vis a vis foreign-local, but it should be about who's the 'best candidate' and that's what the process is about, right?

Anyway, I tend to be optimistic generally, so even despite some of PG's mistakes, I still hold out hope they may surprise us all and whether he a Gombau mk 2, something other/similar.. better :o or even just another Lavicka/JVS or local wise, a Pro-licence guy who's got the knackers aswell as vision, to exact what this squad, heck club, needs... we can only wait and see?

Edited by GloryPerth: 30/3/2014 04:12:35 AM

I take your *Ugh* to mean you agree that it's almost as unappealing as it is plausible that this will be the line of thinking of those who get to make this decision :p



As someone else pointed out... it would be basically typical business practice to push through the incumbent/"natural" successor on the shortlist as a means of assessing potential candidates against a tangible result. I think it's premature to think Lowe's position on any shortlist means he is at all likely to get the job, and I suspect any of the other 5 applicants will better Lowe on virtually every criteria except possibly how much they will cost.



I don't really see much point in us having Nebo and Flores unless we're either going to leave Nebo on the bench or use one of the 2 as a forward.

It's very much the players *behind* the creative attacking midfielder that we lack... I'd rather we went after a McGlinchey, Mooy, Murdocca, Partalu or Riera before we were looking at someone like Flores. Not sure which if any of those players might be available, but without them our best hope would be to find a 6'5" target man and not even bother with a midfield next season because our current options in there (discounting BO'N who we haven't seen properly) are completely inadequate.

We learn from past mistakes. It seemed the logical choice at the time.

Now it does not.

To repeat past choices and expect different results is stupidity.

Hence why Glory is stupid as they will repeat history.

Glory need to break from past choices

Finkler is another of the players coming out of contract, but again we'd actually need someone more like Mooy... who has already signed elsewhere :(

Lowe doesn't promote these players. He complains incessantly about having to play them. His Glory credentials consist of being an assistant to Fergie, and both Fergie and Lowe seems to express the same values - relying on players to work out how to play, promoting effort and fight etc..., rather than crafting a footballing system in which players know their roles both on and off the ball and can play as a coherent unit.

The interest in an overseas coach is that we want Glory to actually consider a range of options instead of going for an option cos it's cheap and "he knows the players". That's not a good enough reason.

There are other West Aussie coaches with Glory credentials, but do they have the coaching experience to be successful?

Maybe Chris Coyne, but that's a big gamble given the imbalance in quality in State League squads. Coyne played mostly lower leagues, where passing football is actively discouraged.

Jamie Harnwell? He probably never had a decent coach whilst he played for Glory, has he got what it takes to understand and more importantly IMPLEMENT a good team structure?

Gareth Naven - Is probably the better option out of these three, in terms of longer coaching exp, but he has coached mainly at youth level.



Edited by GloryB: 29/3/2014 04:24:07 PM

>Fans express desire for a new coach outside the influence of Glory (a Forienger with good credentials)
>Club publicly come out against that idea.

Oh yeah:


http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/soccer/a/21031924/glorys-final-push-is-mens-work/

:lol:


Shayne Hope = Big Bad Val? :-k

Doesn't point out that it was the Adelaide FANS that created such a backlash against what he was writing and were in full support of Gombau...which is a bad thing? :-k

He's not making any point, he's just preparing the ground for an Australian coach, and one who is obviously not considered a "great" coach.

The same justifications about "local knowledge" and "knowing the players" etc... were trotted out when Fergie was appointed.

Farking hell. It's probably going to be Lowe. All the recent press releases of players spouting support for him etc... all point to it.

Aloisi would be a joke and would probably create even more of an uproar than Lowe.

Striker
New Striker(Smeltz)
Maclaren
Third-String Squaddie(Makeche)

Wingers
Sidnei
New Winger(Sernas/Dodd)
Harold
Squad Depth(Zahra)

Attacking Mid
Marinkovic/New #10 (REdwards)
De Silva
Squad Depth (REdwards)/Marinkovic
O'Brien*

Central Mid
New Mid (McGarry)
Cam Edwards
Squad Depth#

Defensive Mid
Griffiths (Burns)
O'Neill
Squad Depth#

Left Back
Jamieson
Woodcock*

Right Back
Risdon
Davies*

Centre Back
Thwaite
Starting CB (Gallas) - (Madaschi/Djulbic)
Clisby
Squad Depth

Goalkeeper
New GK/Vukovic
Duncan

* NYL contracts
# Either/Or
Which would leave the team something like:

-------------------Striker-------------------
Sidnei------------DDS------------Winger
-----------Midfielder-Griffiths-----------
Jamieson-Thwaite-Defender-Risdon
----------------Vukovic/GK-----------------

Subs: Duncan, Maclaren, Marinkovic, O'Neill, Clisby

Actually think Marinkovic stunts the team's ability to "transition" or regenerate. Midfield is the weakest area but you can't really bring in another #10 (especially a visa player) without restricting the spots that go elsewhere. Which means if he continues to be shit they're relying on DDS for a full season (unlikely to play half) and O'Brien (unproven) unless they bring someone in. If you bring someone in then that means you can't have an extra technical mid (#8) or another holding mid (#6) and have to choose someone that fills only one of those or is a jack-of-all trades. Either that or the CB depth, which means relying on O'Neill. After seeing both Clisby and O'Neill played out of position, I don't really think that is the way going forward to being successful either.

This is the problem when an Interim Coach can sign VISA players, just to "push" for finals. We're seeing the effects played out now.

it was just over a year ago It had to be a West Aussie with Glory credentials who knew the local youth scene and would promote these players. Nice to have fans with 'fluid' values.

I'm not sure I get the point he's making?

Foreign names on Glory list

All I'm getting from this is that they are softening us up with the spiel that OS coaches are risky and a local coach with local knowledge is the way to go.

This is firming up to be Lowe, Aloisi, Vidmar etc.

As said before, Vidmar would be the preferred choice. Anything else is just a disaster.

Edited by hotrod: 29/3/2014 02:51:51 PM

So how does Lowe get through to last 6?


So what were you trying to do?



Flores would be good in the same way Smeltz is good but always injured.

As GB said, we're stuck with Marinkovic and apparently DDS is still going to be here...Harry O'Brien too if the next coach cares to look that deep. Although we came into this season with McGarry, REdwards, Cernak who could all "play" there too.

He's a great player. He would be a marquee though wouldn't he? Not just injuries, but he's proved that he's had difficulty settling within some teams. Given that we have Marinkovic and probably DDS next season, I would like us to focus on getting in the following quality players:

1) Central midfielder
2) Probably a striker (to replace Smeltz/Makeche/Sernas)
3) Wide central mid/winger
4) Centre back

Hmm.. On the player front, the mariners aren't going to re-sign Flores. I wonder if we should nab him or if thats too much of a risk considering his injuries.

Thoughts?

Some coming looking for disussion but posters can be too busy nodding incessantly at each others posts they dismiss differing opinion as argumentative.

Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes. :)

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? ;)


@bovs - Ugh.

I guess some people come on here for a conversation, while others come looking for an argument.

Milicic? The SAME Milicic who we called all the names under the sun whilst a player, who consigned us to a grand final defeat, and who I seem to recall took particular delight in giving it to Glory.

Fantastic player, looks like a good coach, but will be bizarre if he ended up at Glory.

I think it can't be understated how big a factor the "external recruitment consultants" or whatever they call themselves are.

To be doing something like that, they really need to be going to Perth Glory with something bankable. "Gave a good presentation in an interview" or "Seemed to really have some good ideas about how to play the game" aren't bankable.

"Highly marketable due to prior national team playing experience" or "Proven at A-League level having coached XYZ with a ABC win percentage" are bankable. Therefore I think we are highly likely to end up with a coach that ticks certain boxes, rather than anything at all exotic.

Realistically... if that's going to be the case... I don't think we're going to afford anything from overseas (because they'd presumably only be considered if they had a big reputation or strong track record). I also don't think it will be a first-time A-League coach. Given the likes of Bleiberg, Durakovic, Vidosic, Vidmar and van Egmond all come with relatively low profiles outside of HAL followers and never achieved significant success in the competition, I think Kosmina and Aloisi stand out as the sort of candidates that I would recommend if I was taking a commercial and businesslike approach to the appointment.

As a football fan I think both Kosmina and Aloisi are poor options, and really don't think any former HAL coach would be ideal (all the best ones still have jobs)... but it's not football fans making the appointment.

If Milicic wasn't already in a new job he would be the best Aussie candidate. Rudan second, so hope he is in the running but as you say, the SFC job is going to be available soon (unless they pull a rabbit out of the hat).

Ignoring Begbie is always the best solution.


If Lowe was going to adopt any new structures or tactics why didn't he try it now?

That sounds like Ferguson-logic.

Edwards did alright last season on an interim contract. Nothing stopping Kenny to do the same if he had/has the goods.


They've already reneged on their Members Only Fan Night statement that the coach will be appointed in June.

Whilst its a good thing to speed up the process, it just shows how easily it is they backflip on whatever they spout to people/media.

I really wouldn't be surprised if Lowe gets it. Although as Dave says, at least the odds are now 17%, not 50%....

Good ol' forum cliches. Reminds me of 2006. :lol:

You were the one who responded to Bov's claim of wanting a new club with sarcasm and indignation. If you can't handle people discussing your opinion and posts then what are you doing on a discussion forum? That is the whole point of them. To express opinion, which incidentally, I have done too.

Who says I haven't talked to Brewer (through face to face, phone, email, twitter etc), how can you? And why does it matter when I, or others, want to vent their frustrations or reveal their opinion - in an appropriate place for that, like a discussion forum on a football site?

Whilst I'm sure you got your kicks and thrills out of the selective grandstanding performance you like to call a 'fan forum', if there's any information from it that has not been revealed (I can't imagine what would be told that 50 people and a reporter would all hush hush about) then please elaborate for all us special people that did not attend. That includes not just those fans who aren't members but also the 4950+ fans that are and didn't attend. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you default to that statement, it doesn't actually mean anything.

Your anecdote is nice and all but I don't see the relevance of it, or if it does have some commonality, why it doesn't give you any empathetic insight into the feelings of others about the club.

I don't see how it is that hard to grasp that some people (This means specifically Bovs, myself, any who agree) would prefer a New Club in Perth as opposed to a Perth Glory that is STILL run the same by Sage.

And given what the current crop of players are doing I'm not going to form a negative opinion on a player for 'trying too hard'. That is the least of the worries on the pitch.

There were actually 3 but only 1 that was in favour of Youth Policy, even to the extent that there is a complaint that Woodcock has been added to the squad. Strange to say the least.

Management should just get someone to call Gombau and ask for some good leads.He must know a lot of potential candidates.He has been teaching coaches as far as I am aware.

Vidmar - seems to know what he's doing, Rudan comes with a good wrap, I guess they'd be the best of the bunch for the Aussie blokes? Especially as I don't think Milicic will drop the Aussie job.

Edited by f1dave: 28/3/2014 05:30:32 PM

You are 100% right in what you are saying Dave they are my sentements exactly why all on here and the brains at the club cant see that is the only way to go is beyond me surly they can not employ another aprentice from Perth again cause if they do they will be the ones with egg on thiere faces as far as Lowe is concerned he has had his chance he has taken us from in the six to what looks like a wooden spoon dont tell me he deserves the job makes me sick to think he could be in the last six candedates wake up Perth Glory.