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Straight Bat wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Straight Bat wrote:brilliant :lol: :lol:
It must have killed you to see the boy on the bench, sorry occassionally see the boy on the bench.
Christ knows how you're feeling now that he isnt even getting picked as a substitute............. Mate, you can have whatever delusions you wish. Whatever makes you happy. Shall we put you on Sucide watch now or after he's delisted at seasons end ?
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f1dave wrote:...and people wonder why we don't have a forum anymore :lol: It would be nice to have one. One with an active support section, Perth glory section, and australian football section. This guy set one up, I tried to help but there was not enough active users. We're the only club in the A-league without a forum >.<.
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From the Worst.............. Quote:
Mariners boss delighted with new signings
Central Coast coach Phil Moss has declared it a landmark day for the A-League and his club after adding South Korean dead-ball specialist Kim Seung-yong to his rapidly replenishing playing stocks.
The signings of Kim and much-travelled central defender Eddy Bosnar have reversed the recent traffic flow out of the A-League champions following the departures of Daniel McBreen, Michael McGlinchey and Trent Sainsbury to clubs in China, Korea and the Netherlands respectively.
Moss is hopeful Kim and Bosnar will make their debuts against Melbourne Victory in Gosford on Saturday, although the pair are still awaiting international transfer clearance from their former clubs.
With midfielders Isaka Cernak and Glen Trefiro also poised to join the Mariners in the next couple of days, Moss believes the new arrivals will restore the competitive balance to a club that have lost several of their top performers over the past few months in addition to premiership-winning coach Graham Arnold to J-League outfit Vegalta Sendai.
"I think this is a landmark day for the A-League and definitely the Central Coast Mariners as well, to have a player of Kim's quality and standing in Asian football," Moss said.
Moss received glowing recommendations about his new Korean acquisition from Bosnar, striker Matt Simon and former Mariners skipper Alex Wilkinson, who have all faced him in the K-League.
"As soon as I saw the vision (of Kim) ... and then his playing CV, it was pretty much a no-brainer," Moss said.
Moss will consider using Kim as a winger, or playing behind the strikers in the No.10 role, and the 28-year-old has no concerns about adjusting to the A-League.
"I have previously played four matches against Australian teams before and I think Australian teams are very strong," Kim said through his agent.
"But I have my own style and advantages to penetrate behind defenders.
"I will be pretty competitive against Australian players.
"With my previous ACL experience, I will add energy and experience to the upcoming ACL matches.
"Even if Central Coast hadn't been playing in the ACL, my choice was to come to Australia because this club really wants me and I'd like to take a new challenge."
The bolded part......  Which begs the question.....when's Madaschi signing??? For those that see the training, is he still training with the squad???? Edited by hotrod: 4/2/2014 05:12:47 PM
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Lowe is our savior, I've always said this and you guys laughed at me.
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Iridium1010 wrote:f1dave wrote:...and people wonder why we don't have a forum anymore :lol: It would be nice to have one. One with an active support section, Perth glory section, and australian football section. This guy set one up, I tried to help but there was not enough active users. We're the only club in the A-league without a forum >.<. I considered developing some forum software as a personal coding project, but I'm far too busy at the moment. Plus I'd have a hard time not including code that automatically replaced posts like Straight Bat's with image macros of Cameron Edwards :P
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Seriously though. This is why I stopped bothering about fixing Gloryboys.net when that fell under continual spam attacks.
Felt like all I was keeping alive was useless thread degradation into personal attacks and schoolyard insults as opposed to genuine discussion and banter about the club/league.
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Ik that too well, my first post I got hammered by glory 442 :lol:
Lol Scoll.
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Straight Bat
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Scoll wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:f1dave wrote:...and people wonder why we don't have a forum anymore :lol: It would be nice to have one. One with an active support section, Perth glory section, and australian football section. This guy set one up, I tried to help but there was not enough active users. We're the only club in the A-league without a forum >.<. I considered developing some forum software as a personal coding project, but I'm far too busy at the moment. Plus I'd have a hard time not including code that automatically replaced posts like Straight Bat's with image macros of Cameron Edwards :P I have no doubt Scollsy... Sure you literally have a mountain of stored pics of Cam on your P.C Edited by Straight Bat: 4/2/2014 09:12:21 PM
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Straight Bat wrote:Scoll wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:f1dave wrote:...and people wonder why we don't have a forum anymore :lol: It would be nice to have one. One with an active support section, Perth glory section, and australian football section. This guy set one up, I tried to help but there was not enough active users. We're the only club in the A-league without a forum >.<. I considered developing some forum software as a personal coding project, but I'm far too busy at the moment. Plus I'd have a hard time not including code that automatically replaced posts like Straight Bat's with image macros of Cameron Edwards :P Edited by Straight Bat: 4/2/2014 09:12:21 PM See, isn't that more pleasant that thinly-veiled aggression and homophobia? :lol:
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Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Easiest answer to give I think. Also Ali's tactical "ineptitude" managed to get the team into the finals last season. we dribbled in to the finals in 6th place mate. Ali coached them for just 8 games at a win/loss of 50% Your post is embarrassing. That was a 4W-2D-2L record after taking over a team that had a 5W-3D-11L record. If you maintain a 50%-25%-25% W/D/L ratio you'll make home finals every year. I don't know who you think is supposed to be embarrassed by that record. paint it how you wish mate, we dribbled into the finals on goal difference playing a brand of football marginally (perhaps questionably?) better than Ferg. If I'm not mistaken we struggled to score more than two goals and only ever won by the one. dribbled in and then lost the first game of the finals. Inspirational stuff :oops: The situation Fergie left us was 18 points off 19 games (less than a point a game!) whilst Edwards got us 14 off 8. Finals when Edwards took over was generally regarded as an impossible target, but we made it. Made Fergie's record look like a joke. How'd any other team do over that 8 game stretch? And you and I both no the only reason we didn't progress was Smeltz missed a pen and Gillet missed a handball. You're just plain wrong here. It's your :oops: not mine.
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I thought Alastair Edwards did very well with the team last year, but its obvious now that he had some form of plan based upon not getting central midfielders in order to get game time for his sons. Having Burns around who gets suspended quite frequently probably gave him a chance to start both. With Nagai, Harold and Zahra to play wide why was it necessary to hire Sidnei as well, all the money spent out wide. Zahra is 23 and Harold is 21 ,Edwards hires an extra foreigner to keep them out of the team, it seems a very selective youth policy. The excuses regarding Cordoba not being rehired are not exactly believable, player had no club recently. Lowe not sure about his value as a coach but at least he is getting some central midfield players in. I think Lowe has gone too far the other way rushing these older players in there is a lack of workrate and pressure on the ball with all the old and semi-fit players.
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Scoll wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Scoll wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:f1dave wrote:...and people wonder why we don't have a forum anymore :lol: It would be nice to have one. One with an active support section, Perth glory section, and australian football section. This guy set one up, I tried to help but there was not enough active users. We're the only club in the A-league without a forum >.<. I considered developing some forum software as a personal coding project, but I'm far too busy at the moment. Plus I'd have a hard time not including code that automatically replaced posts like Straight Bat's with image macros of Cameron Edwards :P Edited by Straight Bat: 4/2/2014 09:12:21 PM I love young men :lol: eh ?
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:lol: you have severe problems Straight Bat, you are only belittling yourself
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Scoll wrote::lol: you have severe problems Straight Bat, you are only belittling yourself I can feel your hurt from here love. :d
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Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Easiest answer to give I think. Also Ali's tactical "ineptitude" managed to get the team into the finals last season. we dribbled in to the finals in 6th place mate. Ali coached them for just 8 games at a win/loss of 50% Your post is embarrassing. That was a 4W-2D-2L record after taking over a team that had a 5W-3D-11L record. If you maintain a 50%-25%-25% W/D/L ratio you'll make home finals every year. I don't know who you think is supposed to be embarrassed by that record. paint it how you wish mate, we dribbled into the finals on goal difference playing a brand of football marginally (perhaps questionably?) better than Ferg. If I'm not mistaken we struggled to score more than two goals and only ever won by the one. dribbled in and then lost the first game of the finals. Inspirational stuff :oops: The situation Fergie left us was 18 points off 19 games (less than a point a game!) whilst Edwards got us 14 off 8. Finals when Edwards took over was generally regarded as an impossible target, but we made it. Made Fergie's record look like a joke. How'd any other team do over that 8 game stretch? And you and I both no the only reason we didn't progress was Smeltz missed a pen and Gillet missed a handball. You're just plain wrong here. It's your :oops: not mine. hahahahahaha I dont know whats funnier - you wanting ppl to hail his 7 league game stretch or the hilarious 'impossible task' of reaching finals football for 6 teams in a 10 team league. Perhaps you need to grab yourself a big ol tub of ice cream and head over to Scolls house for a good cry until you both get over him. Just a suggestion yeah Edited by Straight Bat: 4/2/2014 11:52:49 PM
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Straight bat is one of my favourite new regular posters :lol:
Him, Humbert and Nahaz99 are in a class of their own :lol:
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Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Easiest answer to give I think. Also Ali's tactical "ineptitude" managed to get the team into the finals last season. we dribbled in to the finals in 6th place mate. Ali coached them for just 8 games at a win/loss of 50% Your post is embarrassing. That was a 4W-2D-2L record after taking over a team that had a 5W-3D-11L record. If you maintain a 50%-25%-25% W/D/L ratio you'll make home finals every year. I don't know who you think is supposed to be embarrassed by that record. paint it how you wish mate, we dribbled into the finals on goal difference playing a brand of football marginally (perhaps questionably?) better than Ferg. If I'm not mistaken we struggled to score more than two goals and only ever won by the one. dribbled in and then lost the first game of the finals. Inspirational stuff :oops: The situation Fergie left us was 18 points off 19 games (less than a point a game!) whilst Edwards got us 14 off 8. Finals when Edwards took over was generally regarded as an impossible target, but we made it. Made Fergie's record look like a joke. How'd any other team do over that 8 game stretch? And you and I both no the only reason we didn't progress was Smeltz missed a pen and Gillet missed a handball. You're just plain wrong here. It's your :oops: not mine. hahahahahaha I dont know whats funnier - you wanting ppl to hail his 7 league game stretch or the hilarious 'impossible task' of reaching finals football for 6 teams in a 10 team league. Perhaps you need to grab yourself a big ol tub of ice cream and head over to Scolls house for a good cry until you both get over him. Just a suggestion yeah Edited by Straight Bat: 4/2/2014 11:52:49 PM Go to bed Brisbane_Ro. So has anyone seen anything on Gallas's injury? Or can confirm that Burns is suspended this week? Or anything on Madaschi? Any thoughts on line ups? I'd like to see... -----------V Risdon, Thwaite, Madaschi, Clisby -------------Griffiths -----Marinkovic------(????????) Sernas-----Smeltz---------Sciola Need to stop being so hopefull about the possible outcomes for Madaschi and Burns. Not sure who I'd want to see besides Marinkovic. I'd like to see DeSilva again, even though he can't do a full 90 minutes. We were playing Gallas with the intention of always subbing him anyway. And I want to see us come out attacking instead of waiting to go down a goal/half time. But if he's too prone to injury, maybe Redwards. Or maybe even Mclarren? McGarry is too slow and Marinkovic plays his role anyway. I know that McLarren hasn't been used in that spot (and that no one rates him) but I think he's a decent passer and pretty good on the ball, but he has been terrible in front of goal...he may do better there, and he has a pretty decent shot outside the box(?). If I recall correctly he's scored some in preseason and youth games outside the box, he may just turn to shit due to nerves when facing the goal keeper one on one. And didn't he play in that role before in Blackburn reserves before he came to Glory?
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nickk wrote:I thought Alastair Edwards did very well with the team last year, but its obvious now that he had some form of plan based upon not getting central midfielders in order to get game time for his sons. Having Burns around who gets suspended quite frequently probably gave him a chance to start both. With Nagai, Harold and Zahra to play wide why was it necessary to hire Sidnei as well, all the money spent out wide. Zahra is 23 and Harold is 21 ,Edwards hires an extra foreigner to keep them out of the team, it seems a very selective youth policy. The excuses regarding Cordoba not being rehired are not exactly believable, player had no club recently. Lowe not sure about his value as a coach but at least he is getting some central midfield players in. I think Lowe has gone too far the other way rushing these older players in there is a lack of workrate and pressure on the ball with all the old and semi-fit players.
Interesting observations nickk, but with Sidnei that's actually a product of hindsight. IIRC 'at the time' - Zahra was out long-term and his future at the club post-injury very uncertain (still is!), Harold was, rightly or wrongly, lower down the pecking order too - while under 'new coach' Edwards, Glory were exposing the width more effectively, with loan import Nagai FINALLY given a chance and starring/a revelation, late that last season as too young boy DDS, when he came on and the like. Again, I can't remember exactly, but I do remember the sentiment around the time from myself and a few of our fellow Glory forumites here (May check to check the logs I guess), that we DID need some quality on that LW and that the signing of Sidnei was key/important to bring quality to a previously weak area. Yeah, remembering a bit more - under late era Fergie, the likes of Heffernan were being utilised on the LW, amongst other positions, as too right sided Nagai. But we knew Nagai favoured his right side and while he was effective, I guess it was felt he'd offer even more on the other flank and having 'similar VISA quality' on the flank opposing Nagai would really boost Glory's quality, tactically, within Edwards' system? The crux is what we've all discussed and perhaps, indeed (Though was McGarry seen as filling the Cordoba/Miller void? Perhaps so and we've seen the let down there!) - It's in CM and that played out both theoretically and practically, this season. Losing Miller AND Cordoba with no arrivals of similar ilk and quality in that area, was a mystery to many of us (I errantly believed that DDS must've been elevated, but hindsight says that was never likely/always 'too soon'). Glory still struggled with that void, until new coach Lowe finally stumped up another VISA slot on that Serbian AM. There's been alot of attention on the other new VISA, striker Sernas, and rightly so - but Marinkovic (sp) could be the true 'tactical boost' this line up needs? BTW In regards to old players - Sernas is 20 something, as too Marinkovic, but another 'key signing' is mid-twenty something 'local' Rostyn Griffiths and he really COULD impact in more ways than one, hopefully not only on the field but also splitting that Burns-McGarry duopoly in that CM pecking order, once and for all. A player of his ilk can NOT be behind both Burns and McGarry in the pecking order - he's already instantly above McGarry atleast, surely! The guy is a would be challenger for the 2014 Socceroo squad infact! Edited by GloryPerth: 5/2/2014 05:38:23 AM
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Just a quick request from the boys at the Glory Guerillas podcast... If any fan has a bit of spare time and the skills to set up a simple website for them, they'd love to hear from you. Hit them up on Twitter @TheGloryGuerill
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soil wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Easiest answer to give I think. Also Ali's tactical "ineptitude" managed to get the team into the finals last season. we dribbled in to the finals in 6th place mate. Ali coached them for just 8 games at a win/loss of 50% Your post is embarrassing. That was a 4W-2D-2L record after taking over a team that had a 5W-3D-11L record. If you maintain a 50%-25%-25% W/D/L ratio you'll make home finals every year. I don't know who you think is supposed to be embarrassed by that record. paint it how you wish mate, we dribbled into the finals on goal difference playing a brand of football marginally (perhaps questionably?) better than Ferg. If I'm not mistaken we struggled to score more than two goals and only ever won by the one. dribbled in and then lost the first game of the finals. Inspirational stuff :oops: The situation Fergie left us was 18 points off 19 games (less than a point a game!) whilst Edwards got us 14 off 8. Finals when Edwards took over was generally regarded as an impossible target, but we made it. Made Fergie's record look like a joke. How'd any other team do over that 8 game stretch? And you and I both no the only reason we didn't progress was Smeltz missed a pen and Gillet missed a handball. You're just plain wrong here. It's your :oops: not mine. hahahahahaha I dont know whats funnier - you wanting ppl to hail his 7 league game stretch or the hilarious 'impossible task' of reaching finals football for 6 teams in a 10 team league. Perhaps you need to grab yourself a big ol tub of ice cream and head over to Scolls house for a good cry until you both get over him. Just a suggestion yeah Edited by Straight Bat: 4/2/2014 11:52:49 PM Go to bed Brisbane_Ro. So has anyone seen anything on Gallas's injury? Or can confirm that Burns is suspended this week? Or anything on Madaschi? Any thoughts on line ups? I'd like to see... -----------V Risdon, Thwaite, Madaschi, Clisby -------------Griffiths -----Marinkovic------(????????) Sernas-----Smeltz---------Sciola Need to stop being so hopefull about the possible outcomes for Madaschi and Burns. Not sure who I'd want to see besides Marinkovic. I'd like to see DeSilva again, even though he can't do a full 90 minutes. We were playing Gallas with the intention of always subbing him anyway. And I want to see us come out attacking instead of waiting to go down a goal/half time. But if he's too prone to injury, maybe Redwards. Or maybe even Mclarren? McGarry is too slow and Marinkovic plays his role anyway. I know that McLarren hasn't been used in that spot (and that no one rates him) but I think he's a decent passer and pretty good on the ball, but he has been terrible in front of goal...he may do better there, and he has a pretty decent shot outside the box(?). If I recall correctly he's scored some in preseason and youth games outside the box, he may just turn to shit due to nerves when facing the goal keeper one on one. And didn't he play in that role before in Blackburn reserves before he came to Glory? Eh ?? Who's this Brisbane Ro fella Soiled ?
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Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Easiest answer to give I think. Also Ali's tactical "ineptitude" managed to get the team into the finals last season. we dribbled in to the finals in 6th place mate. Ali coached them for just 8 games at a win/loss of 50% Your post is embarrassing. That was a 4W-2D-2L record after taking over a team that had a 5W-3D-11L record. If you maintain a 50%-25%-25% W/D/L ratio you'll make home finals every year. I don't know who you think is supposed to be embarrassed by that record. paint it how you wish mate, we dribbled into the finals on goal difference playing a brand of football marginally (perhaps questionably?) better than Ferg. If I'm not mistaken we struggled to score more than two goals and only ever won by the one. dribbled in and then lost the first game of the finals. Inspirational stuff :oops: The situation Fergie left us was 18 points off 19 games (less than a point a game!) whilst Edwards got us 14 off 8. Finals when Edwards took over was generally regarded as an impossible target, but we made it. Made Fergie's record look like a joke. How'd any other team do over that 8 game stretch? And you and I both no the only reason we didn't progress was Smeltz missed a pen and Gillet missed a handball. You're just plain wrong here. It's your :oops: not mine. hahahahahaha I dont know whats funnier - you wanting ppl to hail his 7 league game stretch or the hilarious 'impossible task' of reaching finals football for 6 teams in a 10 team league. Perhaps you need to grab yourself a big ol tub of ice cream and head over to Scolls house for a good cry until you both get over him. Just a suggestion yeah Edited by Straight Bat: 4/2/2014 11:52:49 PM Good ol' straight bat, always has a homophobic zinger on hand when he's caught out saying idiotic stuff!
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Who's travelling to the Heart game this Sunday in Albury? The forecast is 41 degrees and sunny . Kick off is at 3:00PM :shock:
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Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:Nate wrote:Straight Bat wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Easiest answer to give I think. Also Ali's tactical "ineptitude" managed to get the team into the finals last season. we dribbled in to the finals in 6th place mate. Ali coached them for just 8 games at a win/loss of 50% Your post is embarrassing. That was a 4W-2D-2L record after taking over a team that had a 5W-3D-11L record. If you maintain a 50%-25%-25% W/D/L ratio you'll make home finals every year. I don't know who you think is supposed to be embarrassed by that record. paint it how you wish mate, we dribbled into the finals on goal difference playing a brand of football marginally (perhaps questionably?) better than Ferg. If I'm not mistaken we struggled to score more than two goals and only ever won by the one. dribbled in and then lost the first game of the finals. Inspirational stuff :oops: The situation Fergie left us was 18 points off 19 games (less than a point a game!) whilst Edwards got us 14 off 8. Finals when Edwards took over was generally regarded as an impossible target, but we made it. Made Fergie's record look like a joke. How'd any other team do over that 8 game stretch? And you and I both no the only reason we didn't progress was Smeltz missed a pen and Gillet missed a handball. You're just plain wrong here. It's your :oops: not mine. hahahahahaha I dont know whats funnier - you wanting ppl to hail his 7 league game stretch or the hilarious 'impossible task' of reaching finals football for 6 teams in a 10 team league. Perhaps you need to grab yourself a big ol tub of ice cream and head over to Scolls house for a good cry until you both get over him. Just a suggestion yeah Edited by Straight Bat: 4/2/2014 11:52:49 PM Good ol' straight bat, always has a homophobic zinger on hand when he's caught out saying idiotic stuff! Try Rum and Raisin oh....and don't forget the tissues.
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Whether it was Sage or Edwards that decided we didn't need Miller and Cordoba... it was unquestionably Edwards who chose the replacement players. And none of those replacement players were genuine on-the-ball style midfielders. Let alone CMs of decent quality.
Both Edwards boys have their strength, but neither of them is ever likely to be an out-and-out CM. Cam probably has a future as a screener and Ryan could definitely make it as a high midfielder behind the forward line. But that's not what Glory's been missing all season.
I'd love to see a heat map analysis of Glory this season... the impression is we have a shape something like:
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That basically shows Burns and McGarry back with the CBs with the wide defenders overlapping, and the AM (Edwards, Cernak or Marinkovic) hanging off the CF. The only time we've seen the AM drop further back is when they've been asked to man-mark the opposition defensive playmaker (which limits their ability to get on the ball themselves).
Any decent team playing the same system would have one if not both DMs playing far higher up, have the AM deeper than the wingers and have the CF often dropping back into midfield to add bodies and open space for the wingers to cut inside. We don't do any of that.
And the thing is this is not by accident, this is the system that Ali Edwards CHOSE for us to have. For me, Lowe has been trying to change it (by bringing in Cernak first and then signing Marinkovic) but so far neither of them have been quite the right sort of player to make up for the DM problem.
As frustrating as Burns is, you can definitely carry a player like that when your other two CMs are quality and get on the ball as much as possible. The problem is that even knowing how Burns played and that he was in the team... Edwards still decided to think that putting him with McGarry and 1 of the Edwards boys would be sufficient. This is based on a poor understanding of how teams that have been successful with a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formation.
When you talk about last season under Ali Edwards, it was more good luck that he had players that made the system work that we got into the finals... but he actually broke apart that platform to give us a squad incapable of succeeding in the very system he was trying to introduce!
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http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1180542/Mooy-free-to-leave-WandererI think we should be doing everything in our power to sign Mooy for next season, set to leave wsw at season's end. Would be fantastic next to Griffiths in a holding mid role with freedom to push forward, is creative and can take a dam good free kick.
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bovs wrote:Whether it was Sage or Edwards that decided we didn't need Miller and Cordoba... it was unquestionably Edwards who chose the replacement players. And none of those replacement players were genuine on-the-ball style midfielders. Let alone CMs of decent quality.
Both Edwards boys have their strength, but neither of them is ever likely to be an out-and-out CM. Cam probably has a future as a screener and Ryan could definitely make it as a high midfielder behind the forward line. But that's not what Glory's been missing all season.
I'd love to see a heat map analysis of Glory this season... the impression is we have a shape something like:
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That basically shows Burns and McGarry back with the CBs with the wide defenders overlapping, and the AM (Edwards, Cernak or Marinkovic) hanging off the CF. The only time we've seen the AM drop further back is when they've been asked to man-mark the opposition defensive playmaker (which limits their ability to get on the ball themselves).
Any decent team playing the same system would have one if not both DMs playing far higher up, have the AM deeper than the wingers and have the CF often dropping back into midfield to add bodies and open space for the wingers to cut inside. We don't do any of that.
And the thing is this is not by accident, this is the system that Ali Edwards CHOSE for us to have. For me, Lowe has been trying to change it (by bringing in Cernak first and then signing Marinkovic) but so far neither of them have been quite the right sort of player to make up for the DM problem.
As frustrating as Burns is, you can definitely carry a player like that when your other two CMs are quality and get on the ball as much as possible. The problem is that even knowing how Burns played and that he was in the team... Edwards still decided to think that putting him with McGarry and 1 of the Edwards boys would be sufficient. This is based on a poor understanding of how teams that have been successful with a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formation.
When you talk about last season under Ali Edwards, it was more good luck that he had players that made the system work that we got into the finals... but he actually broke apart that platform to give us a squad incapable of succeeding in the very system he was trying to introduce!
Edited by bovs: 5/2/2014 12:50:47 PM May not agree, but at least you can argue a position effectively.
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From the West Australian today: Quote:·Football Federation Australia announced yesterday Glory's home game against Newcastle Jets on March 30 had been pushed back from 2pm to 4pm.
Glory officials had previously expressed concern over the potential for high temperatures for the afternoon fixture. Nice to see we got some action on something like that.
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Nate wrote:From the West Australian today: Quote:·Football Federation Australia announced yesterday Glory's home game against Newcastle Jets on March 30 had been pushed back from 2pm to 4pm.
Glory officials had previously expressed concern over the potential for high temperatures for the afternoon fixture. Nice to see we got some action on something like that. =; So, if it's a hot day the temperature will be peaking as the game ends. ](*,) Fantastic for player welfare.
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bovs wrote:Whether it was Sage or Edwards that decided we didn't need Miller and Cordoba... it was unquestionably Edwards who chose the replacement players. And none of those replacement players were genuine on-the-ball style midfielders. Let alone CMs of decent quality.
Both Edwards boys have their strength, but neither of them is ever likely to be an out-and-out CM. Cam probably has a future as a screener and Ryan could definitely make it as a high midfielder behind the forward line. But that's not what Glory's been missing all season.
I'd love to see a heat map analysis of Glory this season... the impression is we have a shape something like:
.-----------------------------------------------. -------------X------------------X------------ ----------------X----------------------------- X------------------------X-----------------X .----------------------------------------------. .------------------------------------------------. .----------------------------------------------. X------------------X----------------------X -----------------X---------------------------
That basically shows Burns and McGarry back with the CBs with the wide defenders overlapping, and the AM (Edwards, Cernak or Marinkovic) hanging off the CF. The only time we've seen the AM drop further back is when they've been asked to man-mark the opposition defensive playmaker (which limits their ability to get on the ball themselves).
Any decent team playing the same system would have one if not both DMs playing far higher up, have the AM deeper than the wingers and have the CF often dropping back into midfield to add bodies and open space for the wingers to cut inside. We don't do any of that.
And the thing is this is not by accident, this is the system that Ali Edwards CHOSE for us to have. For me, Lowe has been trying to change it (by bringing in Cernak first and then signing Marinkovic) but so far neither of them have been quite the right sort of player to make up for the DM problem.
As frustrating as Burns is, you can definitely carry a player like that when your other two CMs are quality and get on the ball as much as possible. The problem is that even knowing how Burns played and that he was in the team... Edwards still decided to think that putting him with McGarry and 1 of the Edwards boys would be sufficient. This is based on a poor understanding of how teams that have been successful with a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 formation.
When you talk about last season under Ali Edwards, it was more good luck that he had players that made the system work that we got into the finals... but he actually broke apart that platform to give us a squad incapable of succeeding in the very system he was trying to introduce!
Edited by bovs: 5/2/2014 12:50:47 PM Agree with a number of things here Bovs but you may need to consider that a lot of decisions made by Lowe were made in order to keep Sage happy (See inclusion of Cernak) Either way, well put and great to see a poster who doesnt cry like a little girl the moment someone doesnt agree with him or her. :d
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