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Good question. Let's have a look at the 'recycled' options.


Kosmina - Can produce results, can't seem to sustain them without some sort of drama. Do not want
Aloisi - lol. Do not want
Rado Vidošić - Seems tactically astute by all reports but players didn't seem to take to him very well. Edwards-like? Not ideal
Miron Bleiberg - Excellent press conferences, football seems attacking enough, but seems a bit unstable. Not ideal

Local Options
Jamie Harnwell - Club legend, Women's/Sorrento coach, but still too green for my liking. Do not want
Chris Coyne - Seems a hard task master, done well with Baysie, but has a great squad there. Unsure of overall A-League quality. Not ideal
Graham Normanton - Local who has had success with cashed up teams. No indication of A-League quality. Previously Glory 'scout'. Do not want

Overseas
...to me seems to be the only option? Someone new, from outside the gene pool, different ideas, and ideally not another lump-it-and-chase Briton. Racial profiling I know, but I don't want that stereotype at Perth yet again.
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f1dave wrote:
Good question. Let's have a look at the 'recycled' options.


Kosmina - Can produce results, can't seem to sustain them without some sort of drama. Do not want
Aloisi - lol. Do not want
Rado Vidošić - Seems tactically astute by all reports but players didn't seem to take to him very well. Edwards-like? Not ideal
Miron Bleiberg - Excellent press conferences, football seems attacking enough, but seems a bit unstable. Not ideal

Local Options
Jamie Harnwell - Club legend, Women's/Sorrento coach, but still too green for my liking. Do not want
Chris Coyne - Seems a hard task master, done well with Baysie, but has a great squad there. Unsure of overall A-League quality. Not ideal
Graham Normanton - Local who has had success with cashed up teams. No indication of A-League quality. Previously Glory 'scout'. Do not want

Overseas
...to me seems to be the only option? Someone new, from outside the gene pool, different ideas, and ideally not another lump-it-and-chase Briton. Racial profiling I know, but I don't want that stereotype at Perth yet again.


For the sake of the club, it has to be OS. Fresh ideas with no allegiances and free of FFA/A-League politics.

Maybe someone with some charisma, ala Bernd Stange.

That would be a winner in my books.

Give a 3 year contract based on NON NEGOTIABLE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA in meeting agreed strategic goals.

That way the splinter shell in the club can be put on notice.

Might not be cheap, but it has to start from the top.

So, looks like Lowe for me.




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f1dave wrote:
Miron Bleiberg - Excellent press conferences, football seems attacking enough, but seems a bit unstable. Not ideal


Miron Bleiberg has got to be the best of the re-cycled options. And in his defence, anyone would look a bit unstable if they had to deal with Clive Palmer on a daily basis. Currently at Oakleigh Cannons in Victoria since middle of last year. No idea how he has been going there.

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Would not be surprised to see you guys give GVE a shot :lol:
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They were Grand Final losers.


I agree Miron is the best of the recycled options, but I'd still really prefer someone from outside of the country as first choice. We know Miron is a strong personality and eventually lost out with another big personality in Clive... Not sure Tony would be much different in that regard?
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f1dave wrote:
Good question. Let's have a look at the 'recycled' options.


Kosmina - Can produce results, can't seem to sustain them without some sort of drama. Do not want
Aloisi - lol. Do not want
Rado Vidošić - Seems tactically astute by all reports but players didn't seem to take to him very well. Edwards-like? Not ideal
Miron Bleiberg - Excellent press conferences, football seems attacking enough, but seems a bit unstable. Not ideal

Local Options
Jamie Harnwell - Club legend, Women's/Sorrento coach, but still too green for my liking. Do not want
Chris Coyne - Seems a hard task master, done well with Baysie, but has a great squad there. Unsure of overall A-League quality. Not ideal
Graham Normanton - Local who has had success with cashed up teams. No indication of A-League quality. Previously Glory 'scout'. Do not want

Overseas
...to me seems to be the only option? Someone new, from outside the gene pool, different ideas, and ideally not another lump-it-and-chase Briton. Racial profiling I know, but I don't want that stereotype at Perth yet again.


Aurelio Vidmar?


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http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/soccer/a/22218967/glory-closer-to-naming-new-coach/

There are several overseas coaches under consideration apparently.
Also I would add Ante Milicic and Rudan to the Australian list.
It would be interesting if Perth fans asked management what style of Football they want the coach to implement.Attacking,possession based,etc.
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crimsoncrusoe wrote:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/soccer/a/22218967/glory-closer-to-naming-new-coach/

There are several overseas coaches under consideration apparently.
Also I would add Ante Milicic and Rudan to the Australian list.
It would be interesting if Perth fans asked management what style of Football they want the coach to implement.Attacking,possession based,etc.


Ante Milicic is Assistant Coach of the Socceroos with the World Cup and Asian Cup coming up. Why on earth would he want to come to Perth Glory?

Surely Rudan is holding out for the Sydney FC job?

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This coaching appointment really needs to be good, we need some kind of hope, if it's Lowe then holy shit.

Best would be an OS coach, if recycled then Miron, and Ffs we need an attacking coach, then we can stop falling asleep.


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I thought I read somewhere Rudan was believed to be on the shortlist.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
f1dave wrote:
Miron Bleiberg - Excellent press conferences, football seems attacking enough, but seems a bit unstable. Not ideal


Miron Bleiberg has got to be the best of the re-cycled options. And in his defence, anyone would look a bit unstable if they had to deal with Clive Palmer on a daily basis. Currently at Oakleigh Cannons in Victoria since middle of last year. No idea how he has been going there.


Not very well, last season he finished in the bottom half with one of the better squads on paper. That said, I don't think he's really taking it seriously, Oakleigh got knocked out of the cup competition last week & he wasn't aware until after the game that the state cup lead to qualification for the FFA Cup.

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Yeah I heard he had one of the costliest squads yet was ordinary with it.
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f1dave wrote:
Good question. Let's have a look at the 'recycled' options.


Kosmina - Can produce results, can't seem to sustain them without some sort of drama. Do not want
Aloisi - lol. Do not want
Rado Vidošić - Seems tactically astute by all reports but players didn't seem to take to him very well. Edwards-like? Not ideal
Miron Bleiberg - Excellent press conferences, football seems attacking enough, but seems a bit unstable. Not ideal

Local Options
Jamie Harnwell - Club legend, Women's/Sorrento coach, but still too green for my liking. Do not want
Chris Coyne - Seems a hard task master, done well with Baysie, but has a great squad there. Unsure of overall A-League quality. Not ideal
Graham Normanton - Local who has had success with cashed up teams. No indication of A-League quality. Previously Glory 'scout'. Do not want

Overseas
...to me seems to be the only option? Someone new, from outside the gene pool, different ideas, and ideally not another lump-it-and-chase Briton. Racial profiling I know, but I don't want that stereotype at Perth yet again.

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domglory wrote:
f1dave wrote:
Good question. Let's have a look at the 'recycled' options.


Kosmina - Can produce results, can't seem to sustain them without some sort of drama. Do not want
Aloisi - lol. Do not want
Rado Vidošić - Seems tactically astute by all reports but players didn't seem to take to him very well. Edwards-like? Not ideal
Miron Bleiberg - Excellent press conferences, football seems attacking enough, but seems a bit unstable. Not ideal

Local Options
Jamie Harnwell - Club legend, Women's/Sorrento coach, but still too green for my liking. Do not want
Chris Coyne - Seems a hard task master, done well with Baysie, but has a great squad there. Unsure of overall A-League quality. Not ideal
Graham Normanton - Local who has had success with cashed up teams. No indication of A-League quality. Previously Glory 'scout'. Do not want

Overseas
...to me seems to be the only option? Someone new, from outside the gene pool, different ideas, and ideally not another lump-it-and-chase Briton. Racial profiling I know, but I don't want that stereotype at Perth yet again.

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You are 100% right in what you are saying Dave they are my sentements exactly why all on here and the brains at the club cant see that is the only way to go is beyond me surly they can not employ another aprentice from Perth again cause if they do they will be the ones with egg on thiere faces as far as Lowe is concerned he has had his chance he has taken us from in the six to what looks like a wooden spoon dont tell me he deserves the job makes me sick to think he could be in the last six candedates wake up Perth Glory.


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Vidmar - seems to know what he's doing, Rudan comes with a good wrap, I guess they'd be the best of the bunch for the Aussie blokes? Especially as I don't think Milicic will drop the Aussie job.

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Management should just get someone to call Gombau and ask for some good leads.He must know a lot of potential candidates.He has been teaching coaches as far as I am aware.
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Nate wrote:
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Ok, at last I think I get it.


You guys want 'Youth Developement and Future Planning' and are willing to trade away any short term success as 'performances and reslults' will follow if we stick to a 3 year plan?


Am I on the money here?


'Youth Developement and Future Planning' = Short term-pain then Big Pay-off
Non-Three Year Plan = Short-term mediocre results, long-term mediocre results

It's all about being able to handle delayed gratification.



I thought more than 1 single poster would have been willing to take short term pain for long term gain but no, only one person will to endorse it.

Now what does that tell us?


Also, there were two replies to your post, not one. The substance of your claims is fading fast.


There were actually 3 but only 1 that was in favour of Youth Policy, even to the extent that there is a complaint that Woodcock has been added to the squad. Strange to say the least.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:
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So the club is bigger than the board or owner but it's ok to support the board and owner who are ruining the club?

I don't understand that logic. If Tony's said he's stubborn as fuck and doesn't want to give it up (or admit there's a problem) then what else is there for fans to hope for?

If you don't feel insulted or disgusted by what is happening at Glory off the pitch then I don't really see how you can say you care about the club or the culture, reputation, legacy it was built on.

The licenses mean diddly squat. How many years did NQF or GCU have running? 20 year licenses isn't going to save Tinkler when the shit finally reaches the fan in Newcastle.

If the FFA don't want to run the club but have found backing and support for a new Perth club, then I am fine with that because if the people that represent Glory can't be fucked and want to wallow in their own self-importance and ignorance instead of doing what is right, what on earth is left at the club...as a club? All the Member's Only Press Conferences in the world isn't going to change things.


I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that least some of that was directed at me. Thanks very much for putting words in my mouth.

GCU and NQF went down for financial reasons with Tinkler heading the same way. Not really the same situation.

What I don't really understand is your bitterness and vitriol towards people who simply want to see their club get back on track. Anything short of total hatred for Sage, Burns etc seems to equal unquestioning support in your books.

It must be reassuring to be so sure that you are right all the time.


Claim words have been put in mouth...then put words in other people's mouths :D

We'd all love a rose-tinted skip-for-joy Perth Glory but that is not even the discussion. How long has it been since the club has been professionally run? How long must we wait until Sage finally starts running the club as an actual footballing club?

If Sage Out isn't an option why not Perth Black. If you want to continue to support and encourage something that is ending up as Perth Glory in name only, that's your personal choice. If Lowe is appointed for next season (with Burns at the club as coach) that is the 4th time an assistant will be coach of Glory, the fifth time Sage has gone with a cheap option. If you think there's something to look forward too, again that's your view. Please, point out where I said you can't express/hold those viewpoints.

You brought up the licenses, I pointed out they were irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the stability of a club or the whims of the FFA if a club is folding.

I have a contrary opinion to yours. I am expressing it. As you acknowledge, I strongly agree with MY opinion (otherwise, what's the point of having one), so I'm glad you realise that. Not sure why you are so defensive nor how you can call it vitriolic. Go see Straight Bat's posts if you want to spot the differences.

I'm a realist. I don't want Sage at Perth Glory. I don't want that because Sage once took my parking space and I have a vendetta against him, I want that because I think it's the best way Glory will improve off the field and on it. But if you're going to go down that route then you have to rationally prepare yourself that Glory may fold. So be it. Ergo New Perth. As people point out, it's important that there is a Perth team, so it can't be that far out of the realms of plausibility. No more than what we've seen that Sage will finally get things right.

If you'd like to enter a discussion and discuss any of the points or questions I made (the only one you really responded to was GCU/NQF), be my guest, I'm not stopping you.


I wasn't going to respond to you as it seems to be an increasingly pointless exercise, but its lunch time and I have nothing better to do.

1. When did I say " ... it's ok to support the board and owner who are ruining the club"?
2. When did I ever express a view that could be said to support "If Lowe is appointed for next season (with Burns at the club as coach) that is the 4th time an assistant will be coach of Glory, the fifth time Sage has gone with a cheap option. If you think there's something to look forward too, again that's your view"?
3. Please tell me where I put any words in your mouth or claimed that you hold views that you don't have?

If you are as "insulted or disgusted by what is happening at Glory off the pitch" as you claim to be, why don't you either do something about it or walk away? Doing something about it however doesn't include merely spouting off to the small number of people who read this forum. It would mean actually engaging with people at the club and more broadly, making your views known and explaining them. You might dismiss the Fan Forum as a "Members Only Press Conference" but you weren't there, so ...

This bit is a bit self indulgent but anyway. My wife is a basketball person, played State basketball, lot of friends in the local basketball community. As a result, I became a fan as well. Watched every game, season ticket holders at the Wildcats etc.

After the 2002/03 season when the Wildcats made the Grand Final but lost, Alan Black was suprisingly sacked as coach. My wife was friends with and played in the same team as Alan's wife and as result, we knew what (in fact, who) was behind the sacking and why. I made the decision then that I would no longer support the Wildcats while the two individuals concerned had anything to do with the club and I haven't. Not even watched a game on TV. We still follow basketball eg we go to WNBL games, Boomers when they are here and went to an NBA game in the States but refuse to have anything to do with the Wildcats. I would suggest that option is open to you.

You made a comment in an earlier post about the enthusiasm and energy of Ryan Edwards v WSW. I agree he showed a lot but he also had a successful pass % of only 62% (21/34) and successfully took on a player only 4 out of 14 attempts. So he turned over possession 23 times. He did recover the ball 8 times though (one of them out on the left as you pointed out) but that still leaves him 15 down. Doesn't compare favourably with most of his team mates (McLaren and Clisby had equally poor passing stats)

I think Ryan Edwards is a good player who has been badly treated. You don't come through one of the best academies in England and play for the Socceroos if you are crap. I don't think he is good enough at the moment that he was a seemingly automatic first choice #10 as he was under his Dad. The fact that against WSW he kept trying to take players on despite his lack of success, suggests he was trying too hard, which you probably would do if you had been left out of the side for as many weeks as he had. I hope he gets another run this week against Newcastle.


Good ol' forum cliches. Reminds me of 2006. :lol:

You were the one who responded to Bov's claim of wanting a new club with sarcasm and indignation. If you can't handle people discussing your opinion and posts then what are you doing on a discussion forum? That is the whole point of them. To express opinion, which incidentally, I have done too.

Who says I haven't talked to Brewer (through face to face, phone, email, twitter etc), how can you? And why does it matter when I, or others, want to vent their frustrations or reveal their opinion - in an appropriate place for that, like a discussion forum on a football site?

Whilst I'm sure you got your kicks and thrills out of the selective grandstanding performance you like to call a 'fan forum', if there's any information from it that has not been revealed (I can't imagine what would be told that 50 people and a reporter would all hush hush about) then please elaborate for all us special people that did not attend. That includes not just those fans who aren't members but also the 4950+ fans that are and didn't attend. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you default to that statement, it doesn't actually mean anything.

Your anecdote is nice and all but I don't see the relevance of it, or if it does have some commonality, why it doesn't give you any empathetic insight into the feelings of others about the club.

I don't see how it is that hard to grasp that some people (This means specifically Bovs, myself, any who agree) would prefer a New Club in Perth as opposed to a Perth Glory that is STILL run the same by Sage.

And given what the current crop of players are doing I'm not going to form a negative opinion on a player for 'trying too hard'. That is the least of the worries on the pitch.
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f1dave wrote:
Begbie wrote:
Nate wrote:
Begbie wrote:
Ok, at last I think I get it.


You guys want 'Youth Developement and Future Planning' and are willing to trade away any short term success as 'performances and reslults' will follow if we stick to a 3 year plan?


Am I on the money here?


'Youth Developement and Future Planning' = Short term-pain then Big Pay-off
Non-Three Year Plan = Short-term mediocre results, long-term mediocre results

It's all about being able to handle delayed gratification.



I thought more than 1 single poster would have been willing to take short term pain for long term gain but no, only one person will to endorse it.

Now what does that tell us?



That people are tired of conversing with you?




Ignoring Begbie is always the best solution.

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This "story" (presumably press release) about appointing a new coach is, I fear, just preparing the groundwork for Lowe. Glory shove two senior players out there to make the blindingly obvious point that getting a permanent coach in asap is important and then have them back Lowe. Glory will go through their process and appoint him because "he knows the players" (a la Fergie) and we are away.

I HOPE I am wrong. I hope that Lowe is being kept in the mix to keep him doing his job for the next 2 weeks and as a means to justify having him as an interim coach at all. If Lowe is appointed, he is going to have a HUGE mountain to climb in terms of gaining many fans' confidence that he can achieve something - because implementing any proper structure will take some time. A new coach will be more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt in changing things up and copping bad results in the process.

@ Begbie. Why do we all have to run along and endorse your epiphany (if that is what it was). If you can't understand what the general mood is on here, then you have very little grasp of the english language.

If Lowe was going to adopt any new structures or tactics why didn't he try it now?

That sounds like Ferguson-logic.

Edwards did alright last season on an interim contract. Nothing stopping Kenny to do the same if he had/has the goods.

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For an announcement likely to be made in two weeks, just after Glory's last game, it has to be Lowe.

All other reasonable leagues would be in full swing. It would be bad form to make such an announcement at that time.

Not too sure an an announcement of a foreign coach would occur in two weeks but in two months after all seasons have finished.

They've already reneged on their Members Only Fan Night statement that the coach will be appointed in June.

Whilst its a good thing to speed up the process, it just shows how easily it is they backflip on whatever they spout to people/media.

I really wouldn't be surprised if Lowe gets it. Although as Dave says, at least the odds are now 17%, not 50%....
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Vidmar - seems to know what he's doing, Rudan comes with a good wrap, I guess they'd be the best of the bunch for the Aussie blokes? Especially as I don't think Milicic will drop the Aussie job.

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If Milicic wasn't already in a new job he would be the best Aussie candidate. Rudan second, so hope he is in the running but as you say, the SFC job is going to be available soon (unless they pull a rabbit out of the hat).
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I think it can't be understated how big a factor the "external recruitment consultants" or whatever they call themselves are.

To be doing something like that, they really need to be going to Perth Glory with something bankable. "Gave a good presentation in an interview" or "Seemed to really have some good ideas about how to play the game" aren't bankable.

"Highly marketable due to prior national team playing experience" or "Proven at A-League level having coached XYZ with a ABC win percentage" are bankable. Therefore I think we are highly likely to end up with a coach that ticks certain boxes, rather than anything at all exotic.

Realistically... if that's going to be the case... I don't think we're going to afford anything from overseas (because they'd presumably only be considered if they had a big reputation or strong track record). I also don't think it will be a first-time A-League coach. Given the likes of Bleiberg, Durakovic, Vidosic, Vidmar and van Egmond all come with relatively low profiles outside of HAL followers and never achieved significant success in the competition, I think Kosmina and Aloisi stand out as the sort of candidates that I would recommend if I was taking a commercial and businesslike approach to the appointment.

As a football fan I think both Kosmina and Aloisi are poor options, and really don't think any former HAL coach would be ideal (all the best ones still have jobs)... but it's not football fans making the appointment.
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Milicic? The SAME Milicic who we called all the names under the sun whilst a player, who consigned us to a grand final defeat, and who I seem to recall took particular delight in giving it to Glory.

Fantastic player, looks like a good coach, but will be bizarre if he ended up at Glory.
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
AndyToddsElbow wrote:
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So the club is bigger than the board or owner but it's ok to support the board and owner who are ruining the club?

I don't understand that logic. If Tony's said he's stubborn as fuck and doesn't want to give it up (or admit there's a problem) then what else is there for fans to hope for?

If you don't feel insulted or disgusted by what is happening at Glory off the pitch then I don't really see how you can say you care about the club or the culture, reputation, legacy it was built on.

The licenses mean diddly squat. How many years did NQF or GCU have running? 20 year licenses isn't going to save Tinkler when the shit finally reaches the fan in Newcastle.

If the FFA don't want to run the club but have found backing and support for a new Perth club, then I am fine with that because if the people that represent Glory can't be fucked and want to wallow in their own self-importance and ignorance instead of doing what is right, what on earth is left at the club...as a club? All the Member's Only Press Conferences in the world isn't going to change things.


I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that least some of that was directed at me. Thanks very much for putting words in my mouth.

GCU and NQF went down for financial reasons with Tinkler heading the same way. Not really the same situation.

What I don't really understand is your bitterness and vitriol towards people who simply want to see their club get back on track. Anything short of total hatred for Sage, Burns etc seems to equal unquestioning support in your books.

It must be reassuring to be so sure that you are right all the time.


Claim words have been put in mouth...then put words in other people's mouths :D

We'd all love a rose-tinted skip-for-joy Perth Glory but that is not even the discussion. How long has it been since the club has been professionally run? How long must we wait until Sage finally starts running the club as an actual footballing club?

If Sage Out isn't an option why not Perth Black. If you want to continue to support and encourage something that is ending up as Perth Glory in name only, that's your personal choice. If Lowe is appointed for next season (with Burns at the club as coach) that is the 4th time an assistant will be coach of Glory, the fifth time Sage has gone with a cheap option. If you think there's something to look forward too, again that's your view. Please, point out where I said you can't express/hold those viewpoints.

You brought up the licenses, I pointed out they were irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the stability of a club or the whims of the FFA if a club is folding.

I have a contrary opinion to yours. I am expressing it. As you acknowledge, I strongly agree with MY opinion (otherwise, what's the point of having one), so I'm glad you realise that. Not sure why you are so defensive nor how you can call it vitriolic. Go see Straight Bat's posts if you want to spot the differences.

I'm a realist. I don't want Sage at Perth Glory. I don't want that because Sage once took my parking space and I have a vendetta against him, I want that because I think it's the best way Glory will improve off the field and on it. But if you're going to go down that route then you have to rationally prepare yourself that Glory may fold. So be it. Ergo New Perth. As people point out, it's important that there is a Perth team, so it can't be that far out of the realms of plausibility. No more than what we've seen that Sage will finally get things right.

If you'd like to enter a discussion and discuss any of the points or questions I made (the only one you really responded to was GCU/NQF), be my guest, I'm not stopping you.


I wasn't going to respond to you as it seems to be an increasingly pointless exercise, but its lunch time and I have nothing better to do.

1. When did I say " ... it's ok to support the board and owner who are ruining the club"?
2. When did I ever express a view that could be said to support "If Lowe is appointed for next season (with Burns at the club as coach) that is the 4th time an assistant will be coach of Glory, the fifth time Sage has gone with a cheap option. If you think there's something to look forward too, again that's your view"?
3. Please tell me where I put any words in your mouth or claimed that you hold views that you don't have?

If you are as "insulted or disgusted by what is happening at Glory off the pitch" as you claim to be, why don't you either do something about it or walk away? Doing something about it however doesn't include merely spouting off to the small number of people who read this forum. It would mean actually engaging with people at the club and more broadly, making your views known and explaining them. You might dismiss the Fan Forum as a "Members Only Press Conference" but you weren't there, so ...

This bit is a bit self indulgent but anyway. My wife is a basketball person, played State basketball, lot of friends in the local basketball community. As a result, I became a fan as well. Watched every game, season ticket holders at the Wildcats etc.

After the 2002/03 season when the Wildcats made the Grand Final but lost, Alan Black was suprisingly sacked as coach. My wife was friends with and played in the same team as Alan's wife and as result, we knew what (in fact, who) was behind the sacking and why. I made the decision then that I would no longer support the Wildcats while the two individuals concerned had anything to do with the club and I haven't. Not even watched a game on TV. We still follow basketball eg we go to WNBL games, Boomers when they are here and went to an NBA game in the States but refuse to have anything to do with the Wildcats. I would suggest that option is open to you.

You made a comment in an earlier post about the enthusiasm and energy of Ryan Edwards v WSW. I agree he showed a lot but he also had a successful pass % of only 62% (21/34) and successfully took on a player only 4 out of 14 attempts. So he turned over possession 23 times. He did recover the ball 8 times though (one of them out on the left as you pointed out) but that still leaves him 15 down. Doesn't compare favourably with most of his team mates (McLaren and Clisby had equally poor passing stats)

I think Ryan Edwards is a good player who has been badly treated. You don't come through one of the best academies in England and play for the Socceroos if you are crap. I don't think he is good enough at the moment that he was a seemingly automatic first choice #10 as he was under his Dad. The fact that against WSW he kept trying to take players on despite his lack of success, suggests he was trying too hard, which you probably would do if you had been left out of the side for as many weeks as he had. I hope he gets another run this week against Newcastle.


Good ol' forum cliches. Reminds me of 2006. :lol:

You were the one who responded to Bov's claim of wanting a new club with sarcasm and indignation. If you can't handle people discussing your opinion and posts then what are you doing on a discussion forum? That is the whole point of them. To express opinion, which incidentally, I have done too.

Who says I haven't talked to Brewer (through face to face, phone, email, twitter etc), how can you? And why does it matter when I, or others, want to vent their frustrations or reveal their opinion - in an appropriate place for that, like a discussion forum on a football site?

Whilst I'm sure you got your kicks and thrills out of the selective grandstanding performance you like to call a 'fan forum', if there's any information from it that has not been revealed (I can't imagine what would be told that 50 people and a reporter would all hush hush about) then please elaborate for all us special people that did not attend. That includes not just those fans who aren't members but also the 4950+ fans that are and didn't attend. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you default to that statement, it doesn't actually mean anything.

Your anecdote is nice and all but I don't see the relevance of it, or if it does have some commonality, why it doesn't give you any empathetic insight into the feelings of others about the club.

I don't see how it is that hard to grasp that some people (This means specifically Bovs, myself, any who agree) would prefer a New Club in Perth as opposed to a Perth Glory that is STILL run the same by Sage.

And given what the current crop of players are doing I'm not going to form a negative opinion on a player for 'trying too hard'. That is the least of the worries on the pitch.

I guess some people come on here for a conversation, while others come looking for an argument.


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I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? ;)


@bovs - Ugh.
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f1dave wrote:
I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? ;)


@bovs - Ugh.


Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes. :)

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
AndyToddsElbow wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
AndyToddsElbow wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
AndyToddsElbow wrote:
So the club is bigger than the board or owner but it's ok to support the board and owner who are ruining the club?

I don't understand that logic. If Tony's said he's stubborn as fuck and doesn't want to give it up (or admit there's a problem) then what else is there for fans to hope for?

If you don't feel insulted or disgusted by what is happening at Glory off the pitch then I don't really see how you can say you care about the club or the culture, reputation, legacy it was built on.

The licenses mean diddly squat. How many years did NQF or GCU have running? 20 year licenses isn't going to save Tinkler when the shit finally reaches the fan in Newcastle.

If the FFA don't want to run the club but have found backing and support for a new Perth club, then I am fine with that because if the people that represent Glory can't be fucked and want to wallow in their own self-importance and ignorance instead of doing what is right, what on earth is left at the club...as a club? All the Member's Only Press Conferences in the world isn't going to change things.


I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that least some of that was directed at me. Thanks very much for putting words in my mouth.

GCU and NQF went down for financial reasons with Tinkler heading the same way. Not really the same situation.

What I don't really understand is your bitterness and vitriol towards people who simply want to see their club get back on track. Anything short of total hatred for Sage, Burns etc seems to equal unquestioning support in your books.

It must be reassuring to be so sure that you are right all the time.


Claim words have been put in mouth...then put words in other people's mouths :D

We'd all love a rose-tinted skip-for-joy Perth Glory but that is not even the discussion. How long has it been since the club has been professionally run? How long must we wait until Sage finally starts running the club as an actual footballing club?

If Sage Out isn't an option why not Perth Black. If you want to continue to support and encourage something that is ending up as Perth Glory in name only, that's your personal choice. If Lowe is appointed for next season (with Burns at the club as coach) that is the 4th time an assistant will be coach of Glory, the fifth time Sage has gone with a cheap option. If you think there's something to look forward too, again that's your view. Please, point out where I said you can't express/hold those viewpoints.

You brought up the licenses, I pointed out they were irrelevant. They have nothing to do with the stability of a club or the whims of the FFA if a club is folding.

I have a contrary opinion to yours. I am expressing it. As you acknowledge, I strongly agree with MY opinion (otherwise, what's the point of having one), so I'm glad you realise that. Not sure why you are so defensive nor how you can call it vitriolic. Go see Straight Bat's posts if you want to spot the differences.

I'm a realist. I don't want Sage at Perth Glory. I don't want that because Sage once took my parking space and I have a vendetta against him, I want that because I think it's the best way Glory will improve off the field and on it. But if you're going to go down that route then you have to rationally prepare yourself that Glory may fold. So be it. Ergo New Perth. As people point out, it's important that there is a Perth team, so it can't be that far out of the realms of plausibility. No more than what we've seen that Sage will finally get things right.

If you'd like to enter a discussion and discuss any of the points or questions I made (the only one you really responded to was GCU/NQF), be my guest, I'm not stopping you.


I wasn't going to respond to you as it seems to be an increasingly pointless exercise, but its lunch time and I have nothing better to do.

1. When did I say " ... it's ok to support the board and owner who are ruining the club"?
2. When did I ever express a view that could be said to support "If Lowe is appointed for next season (with Burns at the club as coach) that is the 4th time an assistant will be coach of Glory, the fifth time Sage has gone with a cheap option. If you think there's something to look forward too, again that's your view"?
3. Please tell me where I put any words in your mouth or claimed that you hold views that you don't have?

If you are as "insulted or disgusted by what is happening at Glory off the pitch" as you claim to be, why don't you either do something about it or walk away? Doing something about it however doesn't include merely spouting off to the small number of people who read this forum. It would mean actually engaging with people at the club and more broadly, making your views known and explaining them. You might dismiss the Fan Forum as a "Members Only Press Conference" but you weren't there, so ...

This bit is a bit self indulgent but anyway. My wife is a basketball person, played State basketball, lot of friends in the local basketball community. As a result, I became a fan as well. Watched every game, season ticket holders at the Wildcats etc.

After the 2002/03 season when the Wildcats made the Grand Final but lost, Alan Black was suprisingly sacked as coach. My wife was friends with and played in the same team as Alan's wife and as result, we knew what (in fact, who) was behind the sacking and why. I made the decision then that I would no longer support the Wildcats while the two individuals concerned had anything to do with the club and I haven't. Not even watched a game on TV. We still follow basketball eg we go to WNBL games, Boomers when they are here and went to an NBA game in the States but refuse to have anything to do with the Wildcats. I would suggest that option is open to you.

You made a comment in an earlier post about the enthusiasm and energy of Ryan Edwards v WSW. I agree he showed a lot but he also had a successful pass % of only 62% (21/34) and successfully took on a player only 4 out of 14 attempts. So he turned over possession 23 times. He did recover the ball 8 times though (one of them out on the left as you pointed out) but that still leaves him 15 down. Doesn't compare favourably with most of his team mates (McLaren and Clisby had equally poor passing stats)

I think Ryan Edwards is a good player who has been badly treated. You don't come through one of the best academies in England and play for the Socceroos if you are crap. I don't think he is good enough at the moment that he was a seemingly automatic first choice #10 as he was under his Dad. The fact that against WSW he kept trying to take players on despite his lack of success, suggests he was trying too hard, which you probably would do if you had been left out of the side for as many weeks as he had. I hope he gets another run this week against Newcastle.


Good ol' forum cliches. Reminds me of 2006. :lol:

You were the one who responded to Bov's claim of wanting a new club with sarcasm and indignation. If you can't handle people discussing your opinion and posts then what are you doing on a discussion forum? That is the whole point of them. To express opinion, which incidentally, I have done too.

Who says I haven't talked to Brewer (through face to face, phone, email, twitter etc), how can you? And why does it matter when I, or others, want to vent their frustrations or reveal their opinion - in an appropriate place for that, like a discussion forum on a football site?

Whilst I'm sure you got your kicks and thrills out of the selective grandstanding performance you like to call a 'fan forum', if there's any information from it that has not been revealed (I can't imagine what would be told that 50 people and a reporter would all hush hush about) then please elaborate for all us special people that did not attend. That includes not just those fans who aren't members but also the 4950+ fans that are and didn't attend. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you default to that statement, it doesn't actually mean anything.

Your anecdote is nice and all but I don't see the relevance of it, or if it does have some commonality, why it doesn't give you any empathetic insight into the feelings of others about the club.

I don't see how it is that hard to grasp that some people (This means specifically Bovs, myself, any who agree) would prefer a New Club in Perth as opposed to a Perth Glory that is STILL run the same by Sage.

And given what the current crop of players are doing I'm not going to form a negative opinion on a player for 'trying too hard'. That is the least of the worries on the pitch.

I guess some people come on here for a conversation, while others come looking for an argument.


Some coming looking for disussion but posters can be too busy nodding incessantly at each others posts they dismiss differing opinion as argumentative.
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Hmm.. On the player front, the mariners aren't going to re-sign Flores. I wonder if we should nab him or if thats too much of a risk considering his injuries.

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He's a great player. He would be a marquee though wouldn't he? Not just injuries, but he's proved that he's had difficulty settling within some teams. Given that we have Marinkovic and probably DDS next season, I would like us to focus on getting in the following quality players:

1) Central midfielder
2) Probably a striker (to replace Smeltz/Makeche/Sernas)
3) Wide central mid/winger
4) Centre back

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bovs wrote:
I think it can't be understated how big a factor the "external recruitment consultants" or whatever they call themselves are.

To be doing something like that, they really need to be going to Perth Glory with something bankable. "Gave a good presentation in an interview" or "Seemed to really have some good ideas about how to play the game" aren't bankable.

"Highly marketable due to prior national team playing experience" or "Proven at A-League level having coached XYZ with a ABC win percentage" are bankable. Therefore I think we are highly likely to end up with a coach that ticks certain boxes, rather than anything at all exotic.

So how does Lowe get through to last 6?

biscuitman1871 wrote:
I guess some people come on here for a conversation, while others come looking for an argument.

So what were you trying to do?

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He's a great player. He would be a marquee though wouldn't he? Not just injuries, but he's proved that he's had difficulty settling within some teams. Given that we have Marinkovic and probably DDS next season, I would like us to focus on getting in the following quality players:

1) Central midfielder
2) Probably a striker (to replace Smeltz/Makeche/Sernas)
3) Wide central mid/winger
4) Centre back


Flores would be good in the same way Smeltz is good but always injured.

As GB said, we're stuck with Marinkovic and apparently DDS is still going to be here...Harry O'Brien too if the next coach cares to look that deep. Although we came into this season with McGarry, REdwards, Cernak who could all "play" there too.
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