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Player wish lists for next season?
Holman, Kilkenny, Susak, Kal Fallah for mine. Hoping we keep the Griff!
Edited by eastern glory: 10/3/2015 08:32:22 AM
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Eastern Glory wrote:Player wish lists for next season?
Holman, Kilkenny, Susak, Kal Fallah for mine. Hoping we keep the Griff!
Edited by eastern glory: 10/3/2015 08:32:22 AM hope we can extend Nicholls deal or try to make him permanent as well
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hotrod wrote:Just a worry than another local talent heads east.
What do Glory supporters want, short term success or long term success?
I think the Glory fans needs their fix now. Sadly, the long term stuff might just have to wait, to the detriment of the medium term decline which will probably happen when this crop of players price themselves too high/retire/go play OS.
There needs to be a balance between local youth and imported experience. I think that Glory have swung a bit too far one way for that short term fix of a championship high. Agree with what you've said there, I think most Glory fans would happily take the championship this season at the expense of a mediocre season or two to follow. Personally I would love to see a little more planning for the long term but that's just me being greedy. Grif is likely to leave, Rizzo will most likely look overseas soon, Garcia gone (hopefully). Adding a bit more talented youth to what is a very experienced side could be what sets the club up for the next few years. In an ideal world it would have been great to keep hold of the likes of Woodcock, O'Neill etc so when players do move on or try their luck overseas, we had replacements ready and wouldn't have to go out and 'rebuild' the squad. At the same time you can't blame them for wanting regular game time either..
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biscuitman1871
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PerthRed wrote:hotrod wrote:Just a worry than another local talent heads east.
What do Glory supporters want, short term success or long term success?
I think the Glory fans needs their fix now. Sadly, the long term stuff might just have to wait, to the detriment of the medium term decline which will probably happen when this crop of players price themselves too high/retire/go play OS.
There needs to be a balance between local youth and imported experience. I think that Glory have swung a bit too far one way for that short term fix of a championship high. Agree with what you've said there, I think most Glory fans would happily take the championship this season at the expense of a mediocre season or two to follow. Personally I would love to see a little more planning for the long term but that's just me being greedy. Grif is likely to leave, Rizzo will most likely look overseas soon, Garcia gone (hopefully). Adding a bit more talented youth to what is a very experienced side could be what sets the club up for the next few years. In an ideal world it would have been great to keep hold of the likes of Woodcock, O'Neill etc so when players do move on or try their luck overseas, we had replacements ready and wouldn't have to go out and 'rebuild' the squad. At the same time you can't blame them for wanting regular game time either.. Unfortunately, we signed Garcia on a two year deal so we have him next season as well. Was hoping the rumours about Fahid Ben Khalfallah would amount to something but after his sucker punch on De Silva on the weekend, I'm not as keen. Think we might have to lose Sidnei or Hersi to get him and like Garcia they are signed until end of next season. Not sure what the story with Sidnei is but he seems to be well and truly on the outer. Really hope we can keep Griffiths and Nicholls although losing both or either would free up a fair chunk of salary space.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:PerthRed wrote:hotrod wrote:Just a worry than another local talent heads east.
What do Glory supporters want, short term success or long term success?
I think the Glory fans needs their fix now. Sadly, the long term stuff might just have to wait, to the detriment of the medium term decline which will probably happen when this crop of players price themselves too high/retire/go play OS.
There needs to be a balance between local youth and imported experience. I think that Glory have swung a bit too far one way for that short term fix of a championship high. Agree with what you've said there, I think most Glory fans would happily take the championship this season at the expense of a mediocre season or two to follow. Personally I would love to see a little more planning for the long term but that's just me being greedy. Grif is likely to leave, Rizzo will most likely look overseas soon, Garcia gone (hopefully). Adding a bit more talented youth to what is a very experienced side could be what sets the club up for the next few years. In an ideal world it would have been great to keep hold of the likes of Woodcock, O'Neill etc so when players do move on or try their luck overseas, we had replacements ready and wouldn't have to go out and 'rebuild' the squad. At the same time you can't blame them for wanting regular game time either.. Unfortunately, we signed Garcia on a two year deal so we have him next season as well. Was hoping the rumours about Fahid Ben Khalfallah would amount to something but after his sucker punch on De Silva on the weekend, I'm not as keen. Think we might have to lose Sidnei or Hersi to get him and like Garcia they are signed until end of next season. Not sure what the story with Sidnei is but he seems to be well and truly on the outer. Really hope we can keep Griffiths and Nicholls although losing both or either would free up a fair chunk of salary space. Sidnei or Hersi may decide to terminate their contracts (if a mutual agreement reached). I would say it depends on their fitness, especially Hersi.
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I also wonder if we could explore the option to extend De Silva's loan for another year? He has been very good for us this season.
Surely first team regular football at Glory would be more valuable then reserves or academy football at Roma? I highly doubt he will get first team action there
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biscuitman1871
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-=GLoRiOuS=- wrote:I also wonder if we could explore the option to extend De Silva's loan for another year? He has been very good for us this season.
Surely first team regular football at Glory would be more valuable then reserves or academy football at Roma? I highly doubt he will get first team action there No chance - his whole family has already arranged to move over there with him. It's settled.
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-=GLoRiOuS=- wrote:I also wonder if we could explore the option to extend De Silva's loan for another year? He has been very good for us this season.
Surely first team regular football at Glory would be more valuable then reserves or academy football at Roma? I highly doubt he will get first team action there DDS isn't on loan, he's still owned by the club :) it's Nichols that's on loan. I'd assume that Hersi or Sidnei will be released at the end of the season. I don't mind holding onto Garcia for one more year. As for claiming that keeping young WA locals like O'Neill and Woodcock means we wouldn't have to rebuild, that seems crazy. O'neill was so, so average and Woodcock is behind Jamieson who is on a long term deal. Davies is the RB, and I suspect he'll stay.
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Eastern Glory wrote:-=GLoRiOuS=- wrote:I also wonder if we could explore the option to extend De Silva's loan for another year? He has been very good for us this season.
Surely first team regular football at Glory would be more valuable then reserves or academy football at Roma? I highly doubt he will get first team action there DDS isn't on loan, he's still owned by the club :) it's Nichols that's on loan. I'd assume that Hersi or Sidnei will be released at the end of the season. I don't mind holding onto Garcia for one more year. As for claiming that keeping young WA locals like O'Neill and Woodcock means we wouldn't have to rebuild, that seems crazy. O'neill was so, so average and Woodcock is behind Jamieson who is on a long term deal. Davies is the RB, and I suspect he'll stay. I thought the Roma deal got done a year/two years ago and part of the agreement was that he was loaned back to Glory?
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I think its just that Sidnei doesn't have much of a pressing game (or even passing game) that means he is less favoured.
Signing Garcia for 2 years was madness.
Hope Woodcock can be a success, there is a lot to like about his game and with some opportunity somewhere he could be a decent A League player.
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-=GLoRiOuS=- wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:-=GLoRiOuS=- wrote:I also wonder if we could explore the option to extend De Silva's loan for another year? He has been very good for us this season.
Surely first team regular football at Glory would be more valuable then reserves or academy football at Roma? I highly doubt he will get first team action there DDS isn't on loan, he's still owned by the club :) it's Nichols that's on loan. I'd assume that Hersi or Sidnei will be released at the end of the season. I don't mind holding onto Garcia for one more year. As for claiming that keeping young WA locals like O'Neill and Woodcock means we wouldn't have to rebuild, that seems crazy. O'neill was so, so average and Woodcock is behind Jamieson who is on a long term deal. Davies is the RB, and I suspect he'll stay. I thought the Roma deal got done a year/two years ago and part of the agreement was that he was loaned back to Glory? Other way. Legally he can't transfer until he's 18. So try made an agreement that he'd remain a PGFC player until the end of this season, when he' be 18. Effectively it's an agreement in good faith.
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PerthRed wrote:hotrod wrote:Just a worry than another local talent heads east.
What do Glory supporters want, short term success or long term success?
I think the Glory fans needs their fix now. Sadly, the long term stuff might just have to wait, to the detriment of the medium term decline which will probably happen when this crop of players price themselves too high/retire/go play OS.
There needs to be a balance between local youth and imported experience. I think that Glory have swung a bit too far one way for that short term fix of a championship high. Agree with what you've said there, I think most Glory fans would happily take the championship this season at the expense of a mediocre season or two to follow. Personally I would love to see a little more planning for the long term but that's just me being greedy. Grif is likely to leave, Rizzo will most likely look overseas soon, Garcia gone (hopefully). Adding a bit more talented youth to what is a very experienced side could be what sets the club up for the next few years. In an ideal world it would have been great to keep hold of the likes of Woodcock, O'Neill etc so when players do move on or try their luck overseas, we had replacements ready and wouldn't have to go out and 'rebuild' the squad. At the same time you can't blame them for wanting regular game time either.. Been watching Risdon a bit of late, considering he is a Bunbury boy, and although I think with the ball at his feet is one of the most accomplished backs in the league I wonder about his work ethic (especially tracking back). He has great speed, but on several occasions I have noted he is one the last to get back to his line when caught forward. Pretty sure against Victory I even saw Nichols get back before him. He isn't that bad at one on ones either. Dino covers a lot of the time for him, which given Risdon plays a wing back you'd expect but to me he doesn't seem to have much urgency to get back some times (well not enough). Dino isn't exactly built for speed, and Risdon has a surprising turn of speed when it comes to the crunch. I think a move could be good for Risdon, but only if to a suitable league in Europe where he has a chance of making the team. Otherwise happy to see him keep developing at Glory.
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GloryB wrote:I think its just that Sidnei doesn't have much of a pressing game (or even passing game) that means he is less favoured.
Signing Garcia for 2 years was madness.
Hope Woodcock can be a success, there is a lot to like about his game and with some opportunity somewhere he could be a decent A League player. Agree completely with all three points. I also think Sidnei's tendency to go down very easily under a soft challenge (an unkind person would say dive) doesn't sit well with Lowe.
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I'd keep Hersi. He had shown glimpses of what he was capable before his injury, but he will be 33 next season and getting on. One last chance. Sidnei just seems not to care, ok in attack, but offers nothing after losing the ball. Garcia appears very lazy and slow around the pitch.
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As good as this year's success has been, it is a tad worrying hearing about the lack of real quality in our youth ranks.
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Mur Ray wrote:As good as this year's success has been, it is a tad worrying hearing about the lack of real quality in our youth ranks. The quality is there, they just can't get game time with the strong squad. It is a chicken and egg thing. We were all weak at the knees with a certain Scott Neville several seasons ago before he was injured and then a young local Bunbury lad got a gig. Now, if Neville was never injured Risdon would have been in the same predicament as O'Neill, Clisby, Woodcock, etc and jumped at a chance at another club. Lucky for Glory he had time to develop and is a required starting player. So, it's easy to say our youth aren't good enough, but only to the extent of getting 10 minutes here and there as subs and never an extended period to build confidence. Woodcock and Davies had extended runs a few seasons ago and did an OK job.
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hotrod wrote:Mur Ray wrote:As good as this year's success has been, it is a tad worrying hearing about the lack of real quality in our youth ranks. The quality is there, they just can't get game time with the strong squad. It is a chicken and egg thing. We were all weak at the knees with a certain Scott Neville several seasons ago before he was injured and then a young local Bunbury lad got a gig. Now, if Neville was never injured Risdon would have been in the same predicament as O'Neill, Clisby, Woodcock, etc and jumped at a chance at another club. Lucky for Glory he had time to develop and is a required starting player. So, it's easy to say our youth aren't good enough, but only to the extent of getting 10 minutes here and there as subs and never an extended period to build confidence. Woodcock and Davies had extended runs a few seasons ago and did an OK job. Interesting. It really would be great to see a couple of those kids given a go instead of recruiting useless rejects like Zadkid. It's all well and good for the club to be results orientated but having mediocre squad fillers serves no real purpose, especially when their spots could be given to youth. Edited by Mur Ray: 10/3/2015 07:59:35 PM
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[quote=Mur Ray]It really would be great to see a couple of those kids given a go instead of recruiting useless rejects like Zadkid. It's all well and good for the club to be results orientated but having mediocre squad fillers serves no real purpose, especially when their spots could be given to youth.
Amen to that.
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Youssouf Hersi was interviewed at Glory v Wellington pre match function. Reckons he is two weeks away. Asked to be part of match day squad v Wellington but Kenny Lowe said to wait a couple more weeks. Also, can we now put to bed the myth that Brandon O'Neill would have provided more than Zadkovich? After Saturday's game, my main question is should Woodcock be in for Jamieson?
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Also, Sage is flying to London this week to meet the promoters of the Class of '92 tour with a view to finalising them playing a game in Perth. No Beckham though but Owen will play instead. Said at the pre match function that Jedinak, Schwarzer have committed to playing if at all possible as game will benefit the Dylan Tombides DT38 Foundation. Glory will also provide some players.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:Youssouf Hersi was interviewed at Glory v Wellington pre match function. Reckons he is two weeks away. Asked to be part of match day squad v Wellington but Kenny Lowe said to wait a couple more weeks.
Also, can we now put to bed the myth that Brandon O'Neill would have provided more than Zadkovich? After Saturday's game, my main question is should Woodcock be in for Jamieson? Excellent news, cheers. Zadko is inconsistent and unreliable. That's his weakness.. every week you hear something different on this forum, one week its 'fuck he's useless', the next its 'jeez he's great'.
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Over a decade since Glory last won something. What's it going to take for the club to break the hoodoo? This season looks like they already choked having lost the FFA cup and a big lead in the HAL table.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:Youssouf Hersi was interviewed at Glory v Wellington pre match function. Reckons he is two weeks away. Asked to be part of match day squad v Wellington but Kenny Lowe said to wait a couple more weeks.
Also, can we now put to bed the myth that Brandon O'Neill would have provided more than Zadkovich? After Saturday's game, my main question is should Woodcock be in for Jamieson? As much as it pains me to say this, YES! I am a huge fan of Jamo and have been converted from before he signed with us. But I think he needs a bit of a rest but also needs something to push him. I think the same could be said with Risdon, I think he could do with a bit of a break and someone to fight for his position.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:Also, can we now put to bed the myth that Brandon O'Neill would have provided more than Zadkovich? After Saturday's game, my main question is should Woodcock be in for Jamieson? Zads is miles better on his worst day than O'Neill will ever be. Simple as that. No way Woodcock should be in. He's never shown anything at senior level, and Jamieson has been consistently one of our best players since he's come to the club.
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Eastern Glory wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:Also, can we now put to bed the myth that Brandon O'Neill would have provided more than Zadkovich? After Saturday's game, my main question is should Woodcock be in for Jamieson? Zads is miles better on his worst day than O'Neill will ever be. Simple as that. No way Woodcock should be in. He's never shown anything at senior level, and Jamieson has been consistently one of our best players since he's come to the club. He has been but his intensity has slowly been dropping. he needs to be pushed for his first team spot.
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perthjay85 wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:Also, can we now put to bed the myth that Brandon O'Neill would have provided more than Zadkovich? After Saturday's game, my main question is should Woodcock be in for Jamieson? Zads is miles better on his worst day than O'Neill will ever be. Simple as that. No way Woodcock should be in. He's never shown anything at senior level, and Jamieson has been consistently one of our best players since he's come to the club. He has been but his intensity has slowly been dropping. he needs to be pushed for his first team spot. He doesnt need to be pushed, he should be forcing his name into contention for the Socceroos by playing with high intensity otherwise he wont get a look.
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Prosecutor wrote:Over a decade since Glory last won something. What's it going to take for the club to break the hoodoo? This season looks like they already choked having lost the FFA cup and a big lead in the HAL table. Not keep making the same "mistakes" every season. This season is turning out to be Furgusonesque. Get high calibre players in, club does well, young players leave, club goes on a slide, no youth from below pushing into the first team to put pressure on, players get old, team slides some more, buy expensive players in lieu of local player development. Rise and repeat. The season started off well, but what has happened the past 8 games???? Is Lowe finally being shown up for what he is or have other clubs figure out the one-dimensional Glory game-plan? Defensively PG are still AOK (except maybe Rison/Jamieson due a rest/break to get their keenness back). It is a worry that I see Keogh more and more isolated each week. There is that missing link between DM and Keogh, which appear the same problem as other seasons. Maybe Keogh should be partnered up front with Maclaren? They worked well together earlier in the season, but Lowe seems to have moved away from that formation to a lone (and isolated) striker up front.
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The reality is that we don't have someone can link Keogh to the rest of the side. DDS can do it when we have the ball in their half, but unfortunately, he gets the ball too far away from support. We really miss the likes of Miller and McGarry we were keen to make sure people weren't isolated.
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Eastern Glory wrote:The reality is that we don't have someone can link Keogh to the rest of the side. DDS can do it when we have the ball in their half, but unfortunately, he gets the ball too far away from support. We really miss the likes of Miller and McGarry we were keen to make sure people weren't isolated. Bring back Matías Córdoba.
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hotrod wrote:Prosecutor wrote:Over a decade since Glory last won something. What's it going to take for the club to break the hoodoo? This season looks like they already choked having lost the FFA cup and a big lead in the HAL table. Not keep making the same "mistakes" every season. This season is turning out to be Furgusonesque. Get high calibre players in, club does well, young players leave, club goes on a slide, no youth from below pushing into the first team to put pressure on, players get old, team slides some more, buy expensive players in lieu of local player development. Rise and repeat. The season started off well, but what has happened the past 8 games???? Is Lowe finally being shown up for what he is or have other clubs figure out the one-dimensional Glory game-plan? Defensively PG are still AOK (except maybe Rison/Jamieson due a rest/break to get their keenness back). It is a worry that I see Keogh more and more isolated each week. There is that missing link between DM and Keogh, which appear the same problem as other seasons. Maybe Keogh should be partnered up front with Maclaren? They worked well together earlier in the season, but Lowe seems to have moved away from that formation to a lone (and isolated) striker up front. Support... here we go, here we go.
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