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biscuitman1871 wrote:highkick05 wrote:a string, a series of recruitment fuck ups. tell me , Gallas was the worst marquee the league has ever seen.
But is there much difference between him and Sidnei? not, fucking, really Gallas made one major error. Otherwise he was solid defender who performed well when he played. His positioning was fantastic, he worked well with Thwaite and still had a good turn of pace. Was he injury prone? - yes Was he a good investment on marquee wages? - probably not Was he still a very good player? - yes Mate...mate, tell me you were drunk when you wrote this.... hammered right :shock:
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Straight Bat wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:highkick05 wrote:a string, a series of recruitment fuck ups. tell me , Gallas was the worst marquee the league has ever seen.
But is there much difference between him and Sidnei? not, fucking, really Gallas made one major error. Otherwise he was solid defender who performed well when he played. His positioning was fantastic, he worked well with Thwaite and still had a good turn of pace. Was he injury prone? - yes Was he a good investment on marquee wages? - probably not Was he still a very good player? - yes Mate...mate, tell me you were drunk when you wrote this.... hammered right :shock: He wasn't worth what we were paying him but was he better than Pantelides (who he replaced) or Clumsby (who played when he was injured)? Everyone remembers the fuck up but in most games he just glided around doing his job.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:Straight Bat wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:highkick05 wrote:a string, a series of recruitment fuck ups. tell me , Gallas was the worst marquee the league has ever seen.
But is there much difference between him and Sidnei? not, fucking, really Gallas made one major error. Otherwise he was solid defender who performed well when he played. His positioning was fantastic, he worked well with Thwaite and still had a good turn of pace. Was he injury prone? - yes Was he a good investment on marquee wages? - probably not Was he still a very good player? - yes Mate...mate, tell me you were drunk when you wrote this.... hammered right :shock: He wasn't worth what we were paying him but was he better than Pantelides (who he replaced) or Clumsby (who played when he was injured)? Everyone remembers the fuck up but in most games he just glided around doing his job. If by gliding you mean walking ? I recall a fella who looked like he was lovin a summer vacation trousering huge amounts of money but was occasionally forced to leave the beach and the wimin to walk around NIB for a bit. lest we forget...
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Quote:http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112216Studs Up with David Davutovic: The A-League players coming off contractMore than 100 players were on an official list of uncontracted players that was released to clubs last month, with Western Sydney, Melbourne City, Sydney FC and Perth Glory topping the list with 14 players apiece. ... CLUB BY CLUB ... PERTH GLORY (14) Diogos Ferreira Diego Castro Ante Covic Guyon Fernandez Richard Garcia Hagi Gligor Alex Grant Chris Harold Mitch Oxborrow Josh Risdon Sidnei Sciola Jordan Thurtell Michael Thwaite Marc Warren Interesting, there we go guys? It's a shame that Risdon may be finally moving on, but it was always coming. Hopefully Thwaite will re-sign, he's a great clubman to help build this successful core around, as Filopoulos talks about. Grant, Harold and Oxborrow re-sign asap? Covic has brought assuredness after the previous overhaul, but he's not getting any younger? Castro still divides opinions - but he could improve further with a Keogh infront? :-k Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:14:44 PM
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Quote:PERTH GLORY (14)
Diogo Ferreira keep
Diego Castro keep
Ante Covic release
Guyon Fernandez release
Richard Garcia release
Hagi Gligor release
Alex Grant keep
Chris Harold keep
Mitch Oxborrow keep
Josh Risdon keep
Sidnei Sciola release
Jordan Thurtell keep
Michael Thwaite keep
Marc Warren release, release, release, release
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GloryPerth wrote:Quote:http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112216Studs Up with David Davutovic: The A-League players coming off contractMore than 100 players were on an official list of uncontracted players that was released to clubs last month, with Western Sydney, Melbourne City, Sydney FC and Perth Glory topping the list with 14 players apiece. ... CLUB BY CLUB ... PERTH GLORY (14) Diogos Ferreira Diego Castro Ante Covic Guyon Fernandez Richard Garcia Hagi Gligor Alex Grant Chris HaroldMitch Oxborrow Josh Risdon Sidnei Sciola Jordan Thurtell Michael Thwaite Marc Warren Interesting, there we go guys? It's a shame that Risdon may be finally moving on, but it was always coming. Hopefully Thwaite will re-sign, he's a great clubman to help build this successful core around, as Filopoulos talks about. Grant, Harold and Oxborrow re-sign asap? Covic has brought assuredness after the previous overhaul, but he's not getting any younger? Castro still divides opinions - but he could improve further with a Keogh infront? :-k Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:14:44 PM ..Is quite literally getting worse and worse and worse each and every game he plays. His greatest arsenal was his speed and on Saturday is was quite clear even that has now gone.
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highkick05 wrote:a string, a series of recruitment fuck ups. tell me , Gallas was the worst marquee the league has ever seen.
Ahem... Brian Deane (Assuming he was a marquee player - think he was but can't remember for sure). Edited by petszk: 15/12/2015 03:21:21 PM
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GloryPerth wrote:Interesting, there we go guys? It's a shame that Risdon may be finally moving on, but it was always coming. Hopefully Thwaite will re-sign, he's a great clubman to help build this successful core around, as Filopoulos talks about. Grant, Harold and Oxborrow re-sign asap? Covic has brought assuredness after the previous overhaul, but he's not getting any younger? Castro still divides opinions - but he could improve further with a Keogh infront? :-k
Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:14:44 PM Keogh and Castro would be a good combination. Those to flick: Sidnei (spends too much time falling over) Warren (a potato on a traffic cone would be better) Fernandez (not settled at all and totally disinterested 90% of the time) Those to maybe flick: Garcia (too slow, unless starts on bench) Covic (thanks for the filler role) Gligor (too light weight) Keep the rest.
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petszk wrote:highkick05 wrote:a string, a series of recruitment fuck ups. tell me , Gallas was the worst marquee the league has ever seen.
Ahem... Brian Deane (Assuming he was a marquee player - think he was but can't remember for sure). Edited by petszk: 15/12/2015 03:21:21 PM He was. Deane is worst marquee Perth has had but surely Mario Jardel is the league's worst ever.
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hotrod wrote:GloryPerth wrote:Interesting, there we go guys? It's a shame that Risdon may be finally moving on, but it was always coming. Hopefully Thwaite will re-sign, he's a great clubman to help build this successful core around, as Filopoulos talks about. Grant, Harold and Oxborrow re-sign asap? Covic has brought assuredness after the previous overhaul, but he's not getting any younger? Castro still divides opinions - but he could improve further with a Keogh infront? :-k
Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:14:44 PM Keogh and Castro would be a good combination. Those to flick: Sidnei (spends too much time falling over) Warren (a potato on a traffic cone would be better) Fernandez (not settled at all and totally disinterested 90% of the time) Those to maybe flick: Garcia (too slow, unless starts on bench) Covic (thanks for the filler role) Gligor (too light weight) Keep the rest. fuck me - we agreed on something \:d/
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A few of you say to flick Covic - but what alternatives are there? I think he's steadied the ship in that area, given far worse possibilities with the void Vukovic left? I guess David Seaman played at a high level into his early 40s - Covic certainly isn't Glory's weakest link and can't be that expensive a signing these days? :-k
It's harsh for Fernandez, but you can't have a Fernandez AND Keogh in the squad. Guyon was always intended as a straight replacement Koegh, but so far, he hasn't quite delivered. It's likely we'll let both Fernandez and Sidnei go. I think too with our VISAs, our squad distribution or quality a bit imbalanced with three spots utilised on central midfielders (Marinkovic, Castro and Sandor). By releasing Sidnei and Fernandez that may allow more flexibility in the market to sign another quality VISA outside of Keogh, to balance up the team at say, left back?
Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:35:02 PM
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GloryPerth wrote:A few of you say to flick Covic - but what alternatives are there? I think he's steadied the ship in that area, given far worse possibilities with the void Vukovic left? I guess David Seaman played at a high level into his early 40s - Covic certainly isn't Glory's weakest link and can't be that expensive a signing these days? :-k
It's harsh for Fernandez, but you can't have a Fernandez AND Keogh in the squad. Guyon was always intended as a straight replacement Koegh, but so far, he hasn't quite delivered. It's likely we'll let both Fernandez and Sidnei go. I think too with our VISAs, our squad distribution or quality a bit imbalanced with three spots utilised on central midfielders (Marinkovic, Castro and Sandor). By releasing Sidnei and Fernandez that may allow more flexibility in the market to sign another quality VISA outside of Keogh, to balance up the team at say, left back?
Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:35:02 PM This is my view on Covic (from an earlier thread) Quote:Not sure we should keep Covic. He has been excellent in the last few weeks but that is because he is primarily a reactive shot stopper and we have been under the pump at the back. If we are going to become a better team, we need a keeper who can sweep and build up from the back. In other words, Covic is great in a crisis but I'm not sure he contributes to us playing better football.
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^Hmm fair view Biscuit, seems to sum up his qualities well? But just leaves the question or scenario not unlike where we were Post-Vukovic? The Goalkeeping talent pool isn't as it once was in Australia and arguably that's even reflected by City wasting a VISA spot there.
Less we have a mini-coup of Brad Jones or another Aussie Abroad lined up from overseas, I don't see the value in letting him go for no reasonable alternatives? Like the CEO said, it's all about strategy again and looking beyond this short-termism and constant turnover.
FTR I really hope we have Brad Jones lined up, he will be available come end of this season! [-o<
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biscuitman1871 wrote:hotrod wrote:GloryPerth wrote:Interesting, there we go guys? It's a shame that Risdon may be finally moving on, but it was always coming. Hopefully Thwaite will re-sign, he's a great clubman to help build this successful core around, as Filopoulos talks about. Grant, Harold and Oxborrow re-sign asap? Covic has brought assuredness after the previous overhaul, but he's not getting any younger? Castro still divides opinions - but he could improve further with a Keogh infront? :-k
Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:14:44 PM Keogh and Castro would be a good combination. Those to flick: Sidnei (spends too much time falling over) Warren (a potato on a traffic cone would be better) Fernandez (not settled at all and totally disinterested 90% of the time) Those to maybe flick: Garcia (too slow, unless starts on bench) Covic (thanks for the filler role) Gligor (too light weight) Keep the rest. fuck me - we agreed on something \:d/ I'll pass, but thanks for the offer, I think? :shock:
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hotrod wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:hotrod wrote:GloryPerth wrote:Interesting, there we go guys? It's a shame that Risdon may be finally moving on, but it was always coming. Hopefully Thwaite will re-sign, he's a great clubman to help build this successful core around, as Filopoulos talks about. Grant, Harold and Oxborrow re-sign asap? Covic has brought assuredness after the previous overhaul, but he's not getting any younger? Castro still divides opinions - but he could improve further with a Keogh infront? :-k
Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:14:44 PM Keogh and Castro would be a good combination. Those to flick: Sidnei (spends too much time falling over) Warren (a potato on a traffic cone would be better) Fernandez (not settled at all and totally disinterested 90% of the time) Those to maybe flick: Garcia (too slow, unless starts on bench) Covic (thanks for the filler role) Gligor (too light weight) Keep the rest. fuck me - we agreed on something \:d/ I'll pass, but thanks for the offer, I think? :shock: We have come a long way but that might be a bit too far
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GloryPerth wrote:A few of you say to flick Covic - but what alternatives are there? I think he's steadied the ship in that area, given far worse possibilities with the void Vukovic left? I guess David Seaman played at a high level into his early 40s - Covic certainly isn't Glory's weakest link and can't be that expensive a signing these days? :-k
It's harsh for Fernandez, but you can't have a Fernandez AND Keogh in the squad. Guyon was always intended as a straight replacement Koegh, but so far, he hasn't quite delivered. It's likely we'll let both Fernandez and Sidnei go. I think too with our VISAs, our squad distribution or quality a bit imbalanced with three spots utilised on central midfielders (Marinkovic, Castro and Sandor). By releasing Sidnei and Fernandez that may allow more flexibility in the market to sign another quality VISA outside of Keogh, to balance up the team at say, left back?
Edited by GloryPerth: 15/12/2015 03:35:02 PM I think it will be Fernandez as he has appeared very unsettled and disinterested in all the games I have watched him. Probably a bit too home sick. Sidnei also should go but may just stay because he has roots here and the club might just honour that (though should play any part in the decision it just may). With Keogh signed a quality LB is important given the midfield looks like a used car lot for older model imported super cars.
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If they only make 1 change I will be pissed. This is the chance they've been praying for with Keogh buying in. They should make another good move or series of small moves that bolster the team more. It's pretty shit atm
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highkick05 wrote:If they only make 1 change I will be pissed. This is the chance they've been praying for with Keogh buying in. They should make another good move or series of small moves that bolster the team more. It's pretty shit atm Just like a polished turd.
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hotrod wrote:highkick05 wrote:If they only make 1 change I will be pissed. This is the chance they've been praying for with Keogh buying in. They should make another good move or series of small moves that bolster the team more. It's pretty shit atm Just like a polished turd. Keogh will literally sell your club for you. Like Berisha, it's good news with him back
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highkick05 wrote:hotrod wrote:highkick05 wrote:If they only make 1 change I will be pissed. This is the chance they've been praying for with Keogh buying in. They should make another good move or series of small moves that bolster the team more. It's pretty shit atm Just like a polished turd. Keogh will literally sell your club for you. Like Berisha, it's good news with him back Agreed. =d>
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GloryPerth wrote:^Hmm fair view Biscuit, seems to sum up his qualities well? But just leaves the question or scenario not unlike where we were Post-Vukovic? The Goalkeeping talent pool isn't as it once was in Australia and arguably that's even reflected by City wasting a VISA spot there.
Less we have a mini-coup of Brad Jones or another Aussie Abroad lined up from overseas, I don't see the value in letting him go for no reasonable alternatives? Like the CEO said, it's all about strategy again and looking beyond this short-termism and constant turnover.
FTR I really hope we have Brad Jones lined up, he will be available come end of this season! [-o< Tyson is on a 2 year deal. We should keep Thurtell as he is quality so hopefully they will be our two keepers next season and we can spend some money on some creative players who are under 30 years old. With respect, anyone who says Melbourne City have wasted a visa spot on Sorenson, doesn't know anything about goalkeeping. Edited by biscuitman1871: 16/12/2015 02:26:16 AM
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biscuitman1871 wrote:GloryPerth wrote:^Hmm fair view Biscuit, seems to sum up his qualities well? But just leaves the question or scenario not unlike where we were Post-Vukovic? The Goalkeeping talent pool isn't as it once was in Australia and arguably that's even reflected by City wasting a VISA spot there.
Less we have a mini-coup of Brad Jones or another Aussie Abroad lined up from overseas, I don't see the value in letting him go for no reasonable alternatives? Like the CEO said, it's all about strategy again and looking beyond this short-termism and constant turnover.
FTR I really hope we have Brad Jones lined up, he will be available come end of this season! [-o< Tyson is on a 2 year deal. We should keep Thurtell as he is quality so hopefully they will be our two keepers next season and we can spend some money on some creative players who are under 30 years old. With respect, anyone who says Melbourne City have wasted a visa spot on Sorenson, doesn't know anything about goalkeeping. Edited by biscuitman1871: 16/12/2015 02:26:16 AM That may've been harsh from me - re-phrasing what I meant was that the Aussie Goalkeeping talent pool doesn't seem anywhere near as deep as it once was and City utilising a VISA spot there could be a reflection of that? I just remember earlier era in the A-League we had all these returning, highly experienced, Aussie goalkeepers from Europe, many who had been on the fringes of the Socceroos but could never push through due to Bosnich and then Schwarzer and Kalac. I suppose, ironically, a younger Covic was one of those from that era. I hope they do back Tyson next season for reasons like you suggest.
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Shanagar wrote:The Worst is often pretty close to the mark with their 'possible lineups' each week. Admittedly a lot of that is because it only takes 20 to 30 seconds for any living soul to read Glory's approach.
So Sidnei is injured, we can't score goals and our attack for the first 8 games is yielding nothing. Big opportunity to play 1 or even 2 of the young strikers. Take the novel approach of even playing a striker as a striker, and who knows, it just may result in a goal of two. We're again playing a bottom team. This ain't Victory or the like, so it must happen now.
And what does the Worst expect: Let's just rearrange again, Castro as a striker, Garcia as a striker, and so on. No sign of even half an opportunity being given to anyone else, let alone a real striker.
I've sort of no doubt goals will eventually come from this approach, like this is only 9 games in now, and the more games we use up, the closer it may get to succeeding ... but it ain't no answer to anything. Was it really that difficult a concept to come to grips with? There'll be good bits and bad bits, but at least you find out if they can play. And wow, look at that ...
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Shanagar wrote:Shanagar wrote:The Worst is often pretty close to the mark with their 'possible lineups' each week. Admittedly a lot of that is because it only takes 20 to 30 seconds for any living soul to read Glory's approach.
So Sidnei is injured, we can't score goals and our attack for the first 8 games is yielding nothing. Big opportunity to play 1 or even 2 of the young strikers. Take the novel approach of even playing a striker as a striker, and who knows, it just may result in a goal of two. We're again playing a bottom team. This ain't Victory or the like, so it must happen now.
And what does the Worst expect: Let's just rearrange again, Castro as a striker, Garcia as a striker, and so on. No sign of even half an opportunity being given to anyone else, let alone a real striker.
I've sort of no doubt goals will eventually come from this approach, like this is only 9 games in now, and the more games we use up, the closer it may get to succeeding ... but it ain't no answer to anything. Was it really that difficult a concept to come to grips with? There'll be good bits and bad bits, but at least you find out if they can play. And wow, look at that ... Must admit the Socceroos look like this sometimes. It's better to find out something new than nothing at all. I.e. the state at which McKay is left in the lineup even though we'll gain absolutely nothing by having him there atm bcos he won't be playing in Russia come 2018. Plus the experience you're robbing from good younger players continually playing guys like Sidnei every week even though you have to know the outcome after 3 seasons, shit the guy is out there for no reason at all really
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Well we know what Keogh is capable of. Surely it would be better if we get some wins together before he comes back, rather than make a run for the finals after January
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Glory training this morning. Warren and Nebo - light training separate from main group Fernandez - running with strength and conditioning coach Sidnei - stationary bike only Garcia, Covic, Williams - all ill and did not train. Rest of group trained for one hour 9-10am. Extended warmup/conditioning work followed by first time passing practice - pretty sharp, mostly high quality. Keogh, Harold, Reiners and Gligor then did some shooting practice for about 10 mins at the end. Keepers (Tyson and Thurtell) worked on shot stopping and then distribution before the shooting practice at the end. Keogh looks very rusty. Reiners has no left foot. Gligor and Harold have much more composure at training than they do in games. Very hot conditions.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:Glory training this morning.
Warren and Nebo - light training separate from main group Fernandez - running with strength and conditioning coach Sidnei - stationary bike only
Garcia, Covic, Williams - all ill and did not train.
Rest of group trained for one hour 9-10am.
Extended warmup/conditioning work followed by first time passing practice - pretty sharp, mostly high quality.
Keogh, Harold, Reiners and Gligor then did some shooting practice for about 10 mins at the end.
Keepers (Tyson and Thurtell) worked on shot stopping and then distribution before the shooting practice at the end.
Keogh looks very rusty. Reiners has no left foot. Gligor and Harold have much more composure at training than they do in games.
Very hot conditions. cheers ! I would have kept Harold back to do some crossing practice........perhaps til say, February.
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The Fernandez injury crisis has worsened again, with this sore ankle -> out for a while -> may now need surgery -> suddenly shifts up to the hamstring -> 2 weeks out -> then maybe another ----> now we've gone the hamstring 'indefinite'.
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Shanagar wrote:The Fernandez injury crisis has worsened again, with this sore ankle -> out for a while -> may now need surgery -> suddenly shifts up to the hamstring -> 2 weeks out -> then maybe another ----> now we've gone the hamstring 'indefinite'.
Mate, this is shady business surely. What do you do ...
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