There are zero genuine overtaking points. It's usually tried into Hotel Mirabeau, but there's a great hump in the road just there and getting off the racing line is a bad idea, and there's out of the tunnel into the chicane, but again there isn't a lot of room and if you miss the corner you have to yeild the place anyway.
Those same corners on any other track would not be considered overtaking points.
I have to say, I don't like Monaco. I'm all for street circuits, but it's past it's prime. You can't even say the crashes are all that great because they aren't going fast enough. The only big crash I remember is Karl Wendlinger in the Sauber in '94. He went off at the chicane and it ended his F1 career. This was one race after Senna and Ratzenberger died.

Actually there's two. But it doesn't make for good racing, just good crashes.

I think that introducing budget cuts is only going to mean that shortcuts are taken which is going to put teams and drivers in danger. You're already pushing the envelope as it is. To then suggest that teams will be ALLOWED to take certain shortcuts depending on HOW FAR under the budget they are is just rediculous. I certainly hope that the FIA has the sense to know that if they do this they will kill the sport. The sport can't survive without Ferrari and teams can't run for under the mooted 80mil USD cap, right now Ferrari, McLaren, Toyota and Red Bull are all running at close to DOUBLE that. It would be a shame to watch the sport die, I've grown up watching it, I was only a little tacker when Senna died, but I was lucky enough to be behind the scenes in the late 90's when Williams Renault dominated the sport with Hill and Villeneuve and I still have signed posters from both drivers around here somewhere.

A lot of posturing that will probably turn out to nothing. Bernie is successful because he realised long ago that Formula 1 = Ferrari. He won't let them go.
Flip side is that a breakaway championship is a very real possibility. If Ferrari go, you can be sure Renault, BMW and Red Bull will be close behind. If it does happen, you can bet it will be with Bernie at the helm.


Spectacular yes, but that's not racing.



Edited by f1worldchamp: 22/5/2009 04:38:21 PM

I'm really interested in what is going on here because it's not really being promoted much on the media but this is very big news.
Ferrari are very serious about quitting and so are Renault and Red Bull.
If this happens it will be a massive blow to F1. I seriously hope it does not happen.
But the FIA need to fuckan think about what they are doing. I seriously hope they are not turning into the AFL and introduicng new rules every fucking week.
Remember early this season, they wanted to make it that wins decide championships not points.
That has seriously got to be the dumbest thing ever! The most consistent driver should always be champion. ](*,)

What do u think afro?



I mean not in like overtaking or whatever, but the way the drivers have to be absolutley perfect every single lap. One mistake you're in the wall!

Edited by davidtorres: 22/5/2009 04:33:25 PM

WTF? Monaco has the worst racing. There are zero overtaking points. It's Exhibit A whenever someones complains about F1 being a procession.

Monte Carlo is certainly one of the most amazing tracks on the calendar. Requiring an immense ammount of driver skill with the number of difficult, fast turns. Lets hope things go better this year than the rainy race we had last year.

What do people make of the troubles regarding the possible rule changes and team boycotts?

Yeah, One of my favs for sure at Monaco.

Also, GO WEBBER

*BUMP*

Monaco GP is on this weekend.
Personally, this is probably my favouirte race of the season, not cause of the history of the race of whatever but the racing is awesome!
And I think this may be the race for Mark Webber. Red Bull will be very strong at Monaco so this is Webbers greatest chance.
BTW, if anyone feels like watching practice or qualifying, go on this website. www.rojadirecta.com.

Also, GO ALONSO

Senna should not have died because his helmet should not have failed him. It was a tragic and bizarre turn of events.

It's hard to believe it was 15 years ago. How time has simply evaporated...

RIP, Ratzenberger's death is forgotten often due to Senna death the next day.

Tragic race weekend that one, and come to think that Senna should not have died as he was not meant to race due to RR's death.

Today is the 15 year anniversary of the deaths of Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger at Imola 1994

RIP!

Pretty much. It was luck for a fair part.

Hi, davidtorres.:-#

Apart from the motor and finances...the important bits...

Well technically they didn't start from scratch.
The car is basically a Honda, but because Honda sold the team to Brawn (For $2!!!) it is called Brawn GP. All the work was done by Honda last season.

The reason teams such as Brawn, Toyota and Red Bull are doing so well is because they worked on the car way before any other team. When teams like McLaren and Ferrari were concentrated on last years championship, these other teams were already working on this years car.
That's the reason they are doing so well.

It goes to show, with a good car, Button is pretty damn fast!

guess it just shows that last years win was nothing spectacular

Yeah, what happened to Webber? He was on the charge early but he just couldn't keep it up.
Good drive by Vettel, disappointing from Hamilton yet again.

Button and the Brawn team annoy me with how good they are starting from scratch this year. I hope he enjoys his non-alcoholic champagne

Edited by Krackovich: 26/4/2009 11:56:43 PM

Fucking channel 10 show the broadcast in widescreen so the standings are cut off the side of the fucking screen! :evil:

Ironically, they use Ferrari engines too.

I forgot the race was on tonight. Webber was actually unlucky this time. Shame.
Toymota should run away with things.

Looking forward to tonights race, gotta love one hd. I hope either Trulli or Vettel will get it, or anyone as long as it's not Button. Pretty funny about Webber though, that would've been really frustrating for him.

Yeah its painfull as a Kimmi fan to see them doing so badly but I dont mind Red Bull, they have a nice setup the Aussie races for them, the drink is good and the cars look awesome

Webber was lucky it was raining and the faster cars behind him didn't get a decent chance to make a run at him. If the weather was fine he wouldn't have come second that's for sure, particularly running light on a three stop strategy. Good result for him though.
That was a great stack between Kubica and Trulli too. I guess you could say it was Trulli spectacular.

This is the worst start to a season for Ferrari since 1992.

Yeah.
But the bit that amazes me is that Ferrari haven't even got 1 point after 3 races!

Webber sitting in a nice 5th, I like.

Also here are the drivers standings:

01 Jenson Button 21
02 Rubens Barrichello 15
03 Sebastian Vettel 10
04 Timo Glock 10
05 Mark Webber 9.5
06 Jarno Trulli 8.5
07 Nick Heidfeld 4
08 Fernando Alonso 4
09 Heikki Kovalainen 4
10 Lewis Hamilton 4


01 Brawn-Mercedes 36
02 RBR-Renault 19.5
03 Toyota 18.5
04 McLaren-Mercedes 8
05 BMW Sauber 4
06 Renault 4
07 STR-Ferrari 4
08 Williams-Toyota 3.5
09 Ferrari 0
10 Force India-Mercedes 0

Well here are the results:

1. Sebastian Vettel (GER/Red Bull) 1hr 57mins 43.485secs
2. Mark Webber (AUS/Red Bull) at 10.970
3. Jenson Button (GBR/Brawn) at 44.975
4. Rubens Barrichello (BRA/Brawn) at 1:03.704
5. Heikki Kovalainen (FIN/McLaren) at 1:05.102
6. Lewis Hamilton (GBR/McLaren) at 1:11.866
7. Timo Glock (GER/Toyota) at 1:14.476
8. Sebastien Buemi (SUI/Toro Rosso) at 1:16.439
9. Fernando Alonso (ESP/Renault) at 1:24.309
10. Kimi Raikkonen (FIN/Ferrari) at 1:31.750
11. Sebastien Bourdais (FRA/Toro Rosso) at 1:34.156
12. Nick Heidfeld (GER/BMW Sauber) at 1:35.834
13. Robert Kubica (POL/BMW Sauber) at 1:46.853
14. Giancarlo Fisichella (ITA/Force India) at 1 lap
15. Nico Rosberg (GER/Williams) at 1 lap
16. Nelson Piquet Jr (BRA/Renault) at 2 laps

Did not finish:
Jarno Trulli (ITA/Toyota) - accident lap 19
Felipe Massa (BRA/Ferrari) - mechanical problem lap 21
Kazuki Nakajima (JPN/Williams) - mechancial problem lap 45
Adrian Sutil (GER/Force India) - spin lap 50

no cos One HD isnt in Bendigo yet and ICBF'd staying up to watch it to night but I saw that it was pretty wet and that Hamiltion crashed on the news, Hamilton crashing is always good

I will later, then give my opinion.

Before this gets too far off topic.
Did anyone watch the race, if so what did you think.

Yeah, we still have Southern Cross.

Yeah, it better be soon, I want more sport :lol: