You will never be able to understand some of the mental crap that people go through. The emotional roller coaster, and that feeling of being alone even if a room is filled with people.

Sean Abbott was doing something he loved. The very same thing that Philip Hughes loved. They were playing a game that they both cared about. They were in a moment that the have probably dreamed about as little kids. Playing Sheffield Shield games for 'your' state and pushing for Australian Test selection.

In a freak accident, Sean has injured and hurt another player. That player has subsequently passed on. A player only 3 years older than Sean. No person at the age of 22 should have to deal with the emotional trauma associated with this incident. His name will forever be associated with this accident, and not in a good way. He was the bowler who was doing his job, playing a sport he loves, and unfortunately the batsman on the other side of the ball is no longer with us. One moment they were out on the field playing in front of virtually nobody purely because it was something they loved doing, next minute he was cradling Hughes lifeless head in his arms.

No one is assuming he needs counselling, but they are offering it to him. They are saying, "if that is what you want, it is there."

You have no right to tell a person what it is they need or want particularly when it comes to issues of mental health.

The fact that people like you can say, "Counselling, sod that, just grab a beer have a a sit down and lets discuss how hot this shiela is," and expect that person to overcome their issues, shows a massive lacking in compassion for the emotions of other people.

I hope you never have to experience the mental problems that many others suffer from, whether that be yourself or from people close to you. Not everyone is the same. Sometimes a cup of tea can help, but NEVER EVER look down on those who have it worse off. NEVER EVER tell them to harden up. NEVER EVER speak as if you understand, especially when you don't.

Deadset dropkick of the highest order. Probably the type of person who think depression doesn't exist as well.

Like how he mentions people coming back from warzones. Even though most of them come back with countless issues.

WGMG: People that can't spell 'deer'

Blah blah blah. Read what I said.

I said this rush to counsel everybody and treat everybody like a victim is doing more harm than good.

Studies back this up.

^ because in his day men were men and they didn't talk about their feelings as it was poofy .

For one, you dont even know what has actually happened.

Abbotts teammates and colleagues probably just went to console him and give him a helping hand, and CA probably came out and did the same. Saw he was distraught and in grief. Said to him, "look mate, if you feel like you need to talk to somebody, like a counsellor, then that service is there for you and we will sort out the finer details of it."

Now tell me. What in the actual actual is wrong with that?

They are given Abbott options. At the end of the day it is his choice. Why should it matter to you who goes for counselling or not? Why should you care if someone chooses to see a psychologist or counsellor?

Why must you feel the need to use a young mans death and another mans grief as a ways to push your own personal vendettas?

Atop acting all high and mighty Munrubenmuz seriously just stop . You're using a horrible tragedy for your own warped thinking . Please stop

Do you know what happened?

If not don't have a crack at me because you're just making assumptions like you are accusing me of making of.

Who the fuck knows what happened there, off the field or in the dressing room after.
I don't give a shit if he sees a counsellor or not.

What I said and what I'll say again, because some of you blokes can't read, is that I said "this rush to counsel everybody and treat everybody like a victim is doing more harm than good".

I should probably said "likely" doing more harm than good but I'm happy to stand by either statement.

You slag me off, misread what I say, miss the point, tell me I think it's "poofy" to talk about feelings and you're telling me to stop?

How about you have a good read of the past few pages or stay out of the discussion if you don't understand it.

Never once did I make light of this blokes death. Not once.

Either back up your statements or "seriously just stop".

And BTW Zimbos what "personal vendetta" am I pushing exactly?

The "personal vendetta" that says stop treating every single person like a victim when something bad happens or something else?

because you are coming across as a fellow who is rejoicing in someone's death .

The question is do you?

No. So that makes 2 of us.



You the one who was saying that, why should we jump to counselling etc etc. You made the assumptions. You dont even know what treatment he is getting, if any.

They weren't assumptions. It was one of the first things said in the news reports. I just questioned whether it was wise to jump straight in.



So what does is matter to you then?

It doesn't. I have an opinion that, whether you like it or not, is worth discussing.



There was no rush to counsel anybody. Perhaps the language of the situation has changed and 'counselling' has become the common or accepted term for the situation.

You chose to air your issues on a topic that has hit many people close to home. Grow up a bit.

I didn't post cos this tragedy has hit close to home .

When you hear the media say things like "the players are being offered counseling" it doesn't mean they are necessarily shipped into a room and forced to confront their emotions.

I might just jump in here if I may as things are getting a bit OTT.

1) MvFCArsenal has expressed on a few occasions that his father was murdered and he may well have witnessed the event. Apologies if I am mistaken.

2) people are putting words into Munrub's mouth that he did not say nor imply.

3) He has made some noble points that studies have shown that intensive early counseling may have a detrimental affect.

4) when you hear the media say things like "the players are being offered counseling" it doesn't mean they are necessarily shipped into a room and forced to confront their emotions. Often a period of "watchful waiting" is applied and the person regularly assessed and provided useful info on things they need to look out for in themselves and ways in which they can access support if they or their loved ones notice something awry.