Melbourne City Supporters Thread


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HeartAttack wrote:
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The ‘Red and White’ colour combination was derived from the official flag of Melbourne and selected following strong feedback, reinforcing the club’s desire to be truly representative of the city’s sporting public.


apart from a couple of stints overseas, have lived all my 30+ years in melbourne and i've never seen or felt red and white being associated with the place. always blue, particularly for sports teams. this line is just spin, to me.


How can it be spin when it is the truth? Red and White is the flag of Melbourne. I can't see how you can say that is spin.





i get your point, and i was going to refer to it in my post - but didn't bother. to be honest, i don't think many people actually know that red and white are the colors of the flag!

anyhoo, not trying to be antagonistic, just throwing around my 2c ;)
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sugoibaka wrote:
to be honest, i don't think many people actually know that red and white are the colors of the flag!


I didn't even know we even had a flag!
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Lol, just realised Melbourne had a flag. Its basically England with some pictures. A sheep, cow, whale and ship? If Australian think changing flags is a good idea, I think the Melbourne flag should be the first to go. I has no relevance with current day Melbourne, except for the fact that Melbourne is proof that Tasmanians could build boats.
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Worst. Flag. Ever.



And for the record, I've lived here 10 years and never seen it before.

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Benjamin wrote:
Worst. Flag. Ever.



And for the record, I've lived here 10 years and never seen it before.


No doubt it is up there with the worst flag ever, but it does represent a historic element to Melbourne and as we all see, it has the colours red and white.

I have seen the flag before, seen it years ago at a Primary School excursion and later on in Uni, so knew it existed but to be honest, paid little attention to it.

That said though, it does draw an element of historic value of this great city. I can see that flag, despite how bad it is, being in the supporter group behind the goals at the Bubble Dome Stadium.
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Sydney's flag isn't much better.




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LOL. Yeah, must be something from before federation. Never seen it in my life. Terribad.
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Benjamin wrote:
Worst. Flag. Ever.



And for the record, I've lived here 10 years and never seen it before.


i've seen it before. there was an article about it in the age not long ago. the flag predates the gold rush, and the four items represent the sources of income for the colony. the article was pseudo-humorous, suggesting what a new melbourne flag may include. i think one of the four corners was supposed to feature international students. may have to update that bit.
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I leave the thread for 24hrs and look what's happened...

Accusations of troll (justified).

More discussion on the logo - which I do like! I look forward the the MH eccy! will be a hit with the young-uns. I particularly liked the referance to the bloody pad...

... perfect segue. "The bloods" was my idea and I'm happy people like it... refer to Lynchpin forum post circa mid-Nov for evidence. The bloods can involve a the use of a bat as people seemed to like that idea. The Bloods is quite tribal and can add a ruthless streak to an otherwise 'pretty' name.

Most disturbing addition to the thread was the suggestion that we'll have the Melbourne Flag behind the goals. Sorry HeartAttack or was it HeartMurmur but that's a ridiculous suggestion.

Anyway... thoughts on the potential kit. I personally prefer stripes but hoops would be quite unique (despite my largesse frame). I don't like the idea of the Ajax strip - it's just a bit too much of a dutch love-in for my liking we need our own identity. I there's only two things I hate - racists and the dutch! :)
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Van't Schip is dutch??
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HeartAttack wrote:
sugoibaka wrote:
HeartMurmur wrote:
The ‘Red and White’ colour combination was derived from the official flag of Melbourne and selected following strong feedback, reinforcing the club’s desire to be truly representative of the city’s sporting public.


apart from a couple of stints overseas, have lived all my 30+ years in melbourne and i've never seen or felt red and white being associated with the place. always blue, particularly for sports teams. this line is just spin, to me.


How can it be spin when it is the truth? Red and White is the flag of Melbourne. I can't see how you can say that is spin.





Are you trying the patriotic angle?

Just get a team on the ground so we can have a good look at them
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HeartAttack wrote:
The complete logo is a work of art, just brilliant.

Can't wait to see the strip.

Finally an identity, and one In am proud to associate myself with.


so until now you were associated with something that had no identity
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chris wrote:
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to me it looks like stained period padding.....seriously -


HeartMurmur wrote:
also...just wondering...anyone thought of any nicknames for the team yet....i kinda like "the bloods"...kinda traditional for red & white sides...don't think "The hearts" has quite the same ring to it :roll:



I think the bloods is very adequate


actually....the more I look at the logo - the more it looks like someone having a shit and it snapping in half on the way out

take a good look at it - a lot of toilet paper required







Edited by chris: 2/2/2010 10:28:33 PM
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forbze wrote:
Van't Schip is dutch??


I prefer to think of him as Canadian..!

I was kidding... but still too many dutch links (like Victory and Scotland) and it's a turn-off. So much for the A-League not being ethnically linked (cue Troll Chris!)
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chris wrote:
HeartAttack wrote:
The complete logo is a work of art, just brilliant.

Can't wait to see the strip.

Finally an identity, and one In am proud to associate myself with.


so until now you were associated with something that had no identity

So? We all have our reasons for supporting this club. We do realise you dont like the club and will never like the club. Please stop it. I liked it when I was inside my bubble with all my Heart mates.
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chris wrote:
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Yeah mate. How about they just smack a national flag on there and try and call it original that way, like certain other clubs have done. Onya =d> .
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forbze wrote:
Van't Schip is dutch??

And I'm Dutch too! Why must everyone hate me?! :cry:
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chris wrote:
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to me it looks like stained period padding.....seriously -


HeartMurmur wrote:
also...just wondering...anyone thought of any nicknames for the team yet....i kinda like "the bloods"...kinda traditional for red & white sides...don't think "The hearts" has quite the same ring to it :roll:



I think the bloods is very adequate


actually....the more I look at the logo - the more it looks like someone having a shit and it snapping in half on the way out

take a good look at it - a lot of toilet paper required







Edited by chris: 2/2/2010 10:28:33 PM
Man, just shut the fuck up already.
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chris wrote:
HeartAttack wrote:
The complete logo is a work of art, just brilliant.

Can't wait to see the strip.

Finally an identity, and one In am proud to associate myself with.


so until now you were associated with something that had no identity


Melbourne Heart Supporters Thread.

I think personal attacks on the internet are worthless, but after noticing a large number of your posts, I am lead to believe that you are a waste of space. Not only do you never add anything constructive, but you are wasting your own time by being so passive-aggressive on the internet. What do you hope to achieve with all of your one-dimensional posts?
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Draupnir wrote:
Yeah mate. How about they just smack a national flag on there and try and call it original that way, like certain other clubs have done. Onya =d> .


YES! WIN!!!!! :lol:
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Bill Murray wrote:
chris wrote:
HeartAttack wrote:
The complete logo is a work of art, just brilliant.

Can't wait to see the strip.

Finally an identity, and one In am proud to associate myself with.


so until now you were associated with something that had no identity


Melbourne Heart Supporters Thread.

I think personal attacks on the internet are worthless, but after noticing a large number of your posts, I am lead to believe that you are a waste of space. Not only do you never add anything constructive, but you are wasting your own time by being so passive-aggressive on the internet. What do you hope to achieve with all of your one-dimensional posts?


That the Heart are the WRONG CHOICE and that the FFA fucked this one up - I want the game to progress as much as you do - but this is a worse decision than IRAQ
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Fucking hell - now you're just asking for reactions by bringing political debate into a thread that's for the SUPPORT of a team. Quit trolling.
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hmm...appears the FFA has made movement on all the other TM's for the other names in the comp...possibbly getting a bit nervous bout the whole lord mayors charity saga

Edited by HeartMurmur: 3/2/2010 03:45:03 PM
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Forget SMFC (sporting Melbourne) - it will get personal.....very personal

so many names out there - common - think of one
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C'mon guys chill.

Whats done is done. The decision has been made and nothing can be done for the foreseeable future regarding it. Arguing about possible other names is a moot point now.
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Come on chris.
Get over it.
Heart will enter the competition and South Melbourne will not.
Just because you think the FFA made the wrong decision does not make you right.

Also if it happens to be SMFC in the end, it's gonna stay that way. And it's not going to get personal.
So stop your trolling mate, everyone is getting sick of it.
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BraveHeart wrote:
Come on chris.
Get over it.
Heart will enter the competition and South Melbourne will not.
Just because you think the FFA made the wrong decision does not make you right.

Also if it happens to be SMFC in the end, it's gonna stay that way. And it's not going to get personal.
So stop your trolling mate, everyone is getting sick of it.
QFT.
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Back on topic, and ignoring the useless troll.

This thread is about our club, the one that is in the A-League playing professional football and will have access to great and wonderful things. Our traditions will come through us, our culture through us. I came to support this club through wanting to support football in this town and country but over time my passion has increased. I love this club and excited by what it is capable of.

Read this article, you can't help but imagine how lucky we are to have John Van't Schip as our manager. What a brilliant, brilliant signing this guy is. He has some heavy contacts too, and just for the people who didn't know, he could also play. ;)

http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/1/john-van-t-schip-in-melbourne-a-wingers-story.html

The Dutch have always had tremendous wingers. Why? I don’t know… Maybe because wingers aren’t conformists. They sometimes don’t play along but wait along the byline for something to happen. Wasn’t it enfant terrible Rene van der Gijp who once stopped playing when he saw a supporter with a huge cookie on the stands? And walked up to him to ask a bite? They tend to be pretty egotistical in their playing style. And they can’t head a ball. Wasn’t it Bryan Roy who said that he developed his technique because he was scared to be tackled and challenged?

The list is endless… Coen Moulijn, Piet Keizer, Sjaak Swart, Rob Rensenbrink, John Rep, Peter Ressel, Rene van de Kerkhof, Pier Tol, Peter Hoekstra, John van ‘t Schip, Rene van der Gijp, Pierre Vermeulen, Marc Overmars, Bryan Roy, Peter van Vossen, Bolo Zenden, Arjen Robben, Eljero Elia… And our own Bert van Marwijk was a headstrong winger too….

We’ll focus on Ajax winger John van ‘t Schip first. Because of his Australia connection…

I remember the 17 year old John van ‘t Schip ( born in Canada) making his debut at Ajax, under one Johan Cruyff. In the youth development system, Schippie was already compared to JC because of their likeness and now Johnny would make his debut – before his best buddy Van Basten would – with number 14….

John’s biggest problem at Ajax was…Johan Cruyff. Schip adored JC and would develop a father-son relationship with him, but the same Cruyff was very strict in his tactical ideas. 4-3-3 and the wingers needed to be able to take a player on, needed to be quick and needed to be able to cross a ball in. Johnny had all that, although he himself felt he was a better midfielder. Too bad, Schippie. You’re the best right winger we have, so there you go! You play right wing and you never leave the flank. In those days, that’s how it was.

There were times when John hated his role. “I remember my buddies Rijkaard and Bassie being very dominant on the pitch, but I wasn’t able to do that. It was relatively easy for defenders to stop the wingers from excelling and even in those cases, Johan was adamant: stay on the line! We were not supposed to drift, like Robben and Elia do now. It did get frustrating at times.”

Van ‘t Schip would become famous for his crossing skills. He could curve a ball Beckham style around the defender without having to take him on. Quite a weapon and JC wouldn’t allow Schip another position on the pitch.

Players like Koeman, Rijkaard, Vanenburg, Jesper Olsen and Marco van Basten were getting the attention and were lured away from Ajax. Schip was awarded the best contract ever in the Eredivisie ( back then: 600.000 guilders per season) and got a contract for life. His wife Danielle was a Dutch model and wanted to stay in Holland, so Schippie didn’t make the big jump until later in his career.

After JC, coaches were more open to Schip’s requests to play midfield and at the end of his career at Ajax he did play right midfielder and on the number 10 position and in those days, he demonstrated his scoring skills, with magnificent long range gems.

Due to his high salary, his model wife and his boyish looks, “Handsome Johnny” as he was called, wasn’t the most popular player in Amsterdam. After winning the UEFA Cup with Van Gaal in 1992, Van ‘t Schip left Ajax for Genua, the Italian team that Schip singlehanded defeated in the semi-finales. After a good first season, Schip got seriously injured in the second season’s prep and had to stop his active career.

Schippie was a regular from his youth in the Orange jersey. With his buddies Vanenburg, Rijkaard, Van Basten he dominated the Dutch teams, but fate would hand him a tough calling card when he became a senior. One Ruud Gullit started to make a name for himself.

Van ‘t Schip’s best position when young was indeed that right flank. The problem was, however, Oranje had more good players on the right. Brocken, Van der Gijp, Vanenburg and Gullit could all play there. And we hardly had any left wingers. Well, there was Robbie de Wit, of course, but Robbie got this brain haemorrhage and couldn’t play pro football anymore. And since John was two-footed, Rinus Michels and he predecessor Leo Beenhakker in the second half of the eighties decided to put Schippie on the left flank.

“They always say, you do it for the team. And I was like that. Of course I wanted to play on the right wing. That was my logical spot. But I could play on the left. On the right, I was an 8. On the left I couldn’t get past a 7. I needed a bit more time, sometimes needed to place the ball for my right foot… It’s just different. But Gullit was of course one of our stars and he couldn’t play on the left, so that was an easy decision for the coach. And honestly, I didn’t protest.”

And thus, with 4-3-3 and John van ‘t Schip as a starter, Michels started the EC1988 campaign in Germany. And lost the first game against USSR 0-1. And not because of Schip. But both Johnny’s (Schip and Bosman) could take a seat for the England game: Erwin Koeman was brought in, the system changed to 4-4-2 and one Marco van Basten got a shot at it. The rest is history.

“Nah, it wasn’t frustrating. If the team wins, you’re not frustrated. But I could have been in that team, I know. But I did have a contribution. When we were up 2-1 against West Germany, in the last seconds, I hid the ball under my jersey before a throw in. It took half a minute before the ref could find another ball, so I did have a bit of an impact there, hahaha….”.

In 1990, John van ‘t Schip was on fire for Oranje. He was still a sub in the group stages at the WC1990, but his form at Ajax was tremendous and Van Basten convinced Beenhakker to use Van ‘t Schip in midfield. Against Germany – again – Van ‘t Schip played a sensational game, but the problem was… he was the only one. This time around, Oranje lost and was out of the tournament. Van ‘t Schip wouldn’t play in Oranje after that anymore.

“It was over for me. Started to get more and more injuries and new players came through. Dennis of course, later Ronald de Boer… It was fine as it was. I can be satisfied. If things had panned out differently, I could have been more important for Oranje, but I was brought up in the strict Ajax style and Oranje deviated from that. That’s what sometimes determines your career. That’s how it is.”

Johnny returned to Ajax to coach youth teams and even did a stint at FC Twente for one season, before Fred Rutten got the job. Although Twente did ok, Schip didn’t feel he was doing the right thing and decided to resign after one year. He returned to Ajax, invited his mate Van Basten to assist him at Ajax 2, until Johan Cruyff got them the job at Oranje. This time, Marco – more the leader – would take the head coach role, and John would assist him.

When they quit Oranje, they both signed at Ajax and declared that they’d always work together. One year later, that statement proved to be just that… a statement. Van Basten threw the towel while Martin Jol – Ajax new head coach – convinced the former Mr Ajax to stay on. Schippie did, but during the season, John decided that he wasn’t happy with Jol’s behaviour and comments about the former Ajax coach and Schippie’s best buddy Van Basten. “I wasn’t happy anymore. I couldn’t stand the way the current staff made believe as if they’re doing so much better than Marco and me. It’s not true. We had the exact same number of points and Jol has players like De Zeeuw and Pantelic at his disposal. Jol is painting a much nicer picture about himself and his results, over the back of Marco and me. I can’t stand that. Jol is doing a PR-job and he’s covering himself, constantly.”

Van ‘t Schip decided to go abroad with his coaching ambitions. Melbourne Heart, the new football club in Australia, signed him to build up a team. ” A wonderful challenge. I’m happy with this move. I wanted to coach again and have the responsibility. I couldn’t see a job for me in Holland, what with my failed episode at Twente. I felt I needed to rebuild my profile abroad. So here I am.”

Also at the end of the article, it shows Van't Schip's top 10 goals from his time at Ajax.
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Some nice goals in there.

Seems like he was given rough treatment back in Dutchland. Well - we welcome him here, very gladly.
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notveryclever wrote:
Some nice goals in there.

Seems like he was given rough treatment back in Dutchland. Well - we welcome him here, very gladly.


Speaking to as friend in Europe (he works on a boat cruise) who is a massive Ajax fan and he says he is regarded as a "Child of Ajax" meaning he is a legend and is always welcome. The fans will never forget him.

To have that at our club, I feel very fortunate and proud.


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