skeptic wrote:Ecce wrote:skeptic wrote: I'm not implying anything of the sort. If pim, for example, said something that was taken as rude or combative, that is in fact, rude and combative, not un-Australian. If I'm rude, insulting and combative to you, i'm not un-Australian, I'm being an arse.
I bet if you asked Pim whether he was being honest or rude and combative, he would have told you he was just being honest. My experience of my Dutch relatives and friends make me confident of this. I presume your dislike of un-Australian is just political correctness because I think it's valid in this context. He's not a minority, the guy is paid $2m to lead our national football team on the greatest sporting stage in the world, he should learn how to relate to the mainstream Australian culture. Don't accuse me of being politically correct, Sir. My dislike for for the term and any other used to devalue another's worth as an Australian, Sir, is because i work with kids that cop bigoted shit every day of their f****** lives and seeing the resulting damage and long term problems originating from it. As someone commented previously, un-Australian is a term used by those wishing to hide their insecurities. That's all I'm saying on the matter. Fine, your choice but I don't think you've proved anything. You chose to have a go at me, not the other way around. As a first generation "wog" growing up in a small country town I've had first hand experience at copping bigoted shit. I also work for an organisation that helps the most marginalised people in our society and would never use such terms as "un-Australian" in that context. However, football is about national identity and much of the debate over this world cup campaign is how the way the Socceroos played against Germany was "un-Australian" and the way they played in the following two games was exactly how Australians saw themselves. In this context it is completely valid to use such terms. I've given my definition of "un-Australian" for you and you've ignored it, just tried to compare me to Pauline Hanson. I can clearly see that football has yet to connect with the mainstream Australian culture and it will have to if it is going to grow out of this niche market that it is in. Edited by Ecce: 26/6/2010 09:38:50 AM
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