Let me clarify that statement for you.

95% of players, in that exact situation, would do the same thing. Not everytime a ball is going in. If you are 4-0 up in a regular league match for example, the loss outweighs the gain.



Edited by imnofreak: 4/7/2010 08:44:32 PM

No they wouldn't. For the same reasons as above. And even if what you say is true and 95% of players would do this, more often than not, the penalty would be scored. Managers worldwide would be a player and a goal down, and would be furious with 95% of players. Players would be being fined left right and centre, and managers would not want to play players that would be that much of a risk.
It worked for Suarez this time, but would not work for him again, or for 95% of players.

So are you saying, that if Gyan scored, Suarez would be fined, and the manager would be furious with him?

They wouldn't be a player down, it was the last kick of the game.

You're right in saying that it probably wouldn't work 95% of the time. But it doesn't mean players wouldn't try it. In that exact situation. If you think that most players would just let it go in, in the 120th minute in a World Cup Quarter Final, I think you rate the human race too highly. ;)

FIFA should introduce a penalty goal for this exact situation

I think players with any dignity would have a bloody good crack at jumping for it with their head, but using your hands deliberately like this is not something most footballers would even consider.

Fair enough mate, that's your opinion. :)

The title 'Uruguay the cheaters' is well deserved and very appropriate. A is A.

He is as big a cheat as Thierry, and just as successful. To deny what he did is not in clear breach of the rules is to show a lack of understanding of the written word. Good luck to you.

But Ghana not putting the penalty away is why they were knocked out - of course the ball did appear to cross the line before he pushed it back so it could easily have been awarded as a goal and then he wouldn't have been red carded and Ghana would have won the game. That is football sadly.

He broke the rules. He was punished for it. If Gyan scored, no-one would give a fuck.

Wouldn't your definition of a cheat be seen as someone who has got away with something without punishment. Suarez was caught and duly punished. Up until Gyan's miss he thought his and his team's World Cup were over. He was only acting of instinct, as did Henry, but unlike Henry he was caught.

Suarez knew the laws of the game and what the punishment for his crime was going to be. He accepted the risk for the minute chance of the reward - his team staying in the competition. Of course he's going to celebrate if his nation and his team stay in the competition. People calling for more than the standard ban of one match are retarded - were you the same people calling for a two match ban for Harry? You can't just change the standard ban for an offence on a whim because it happens at such a pivotal moment in the tournament... that would be the sort of inconsistency that we're all shitting on referees for displaying.

Just in answer to the highlighted area, no I don't think a cheat has to get away with it to be successful. What a cheat needs to do to be successful is get the desired outcome by breaking the rules.

no one remembers who comes 3rd or 4th

That wasn't my point. #-o

It matters for countries who aren't one of the big guns. Like 1998 when Croatia finished 3rd was fucking massive. For Uruguay to make it even this far is pretty massive tbh.