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:lol: It's not Wenger chancing his arm, or not understanding the rules. They spoke with a UEFA official before the match. Said what they wanted to do and were given the ok. We were told Arsene was allowed to communicate with Pat Rice by phone or via a 3rd party, he just wasn't allowed in the dressing room or to speak to the players in person.
We sought clarification at HT. That UEFA official got clarification from UEFA by phone that what we were doing was ok, and told Arsene to continue as he had been. This was infront of witnesses.
Then we're told that the club and Arsene had been charged, even after being told to continue as we had in the first half.
As for the racist chants, I wonder if UEFA will do anything about the racist chants from English fans as well.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:dizzy_red wrote:Well, that'd be all well and good - but the only people saying that this advice came from UEFA are Arsenal.
And the only people saying it didn't is UEFA. I have to say I do find it funny that UEFA decide to ban Wenger for what in the end could just turn out to be one big miscommunication, but then choose to do nothing about racist chants from both English and Bulgarian fans at the weekend. Well, it's between you and the ruling body... and you lost. It's like having an argument with a copper about whether or not the light was yellow. People just get sick and tired of hearing you bitch about it when the only people adequately able to say what happened are both adamant that they're right. Me, I think you're wrong, and Wenger's lying - how many years have all these clubs known the rules and been subject to this kind of suspension, and suddenly Wenger thinks he doesn't understand the rule? Complete, utter, unmitigated, runny, horseshit, mate. He knew the rules. He's chancing his arm because he knows he has the fans behind him. Unfortunately, they're the only ones who care, and everyone else thinks he was daft for trying to bend the rules. UEFA have effectively said that Wenger is lying - because they failed to uphold the appeal. On the other hand, if what you want is Platini and Wenger on Jeremy Kyle doing a lie detector and providing titillation for the masses, you can forget it. In regard to the second point: the FA made a complaint, UEFA started the investigation on Monday, the investigation isn't complete. Don't jump the gun on the punishment - which will probably be weak and disproportionate, but what the hell.
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dizzy mate, you really hate the arsenal don't you haha I think it's ridiculous that they're punishing someone for something as silly as this. Isn't there bigger problems for UEFA to deal with? Platini is a wanker.
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Hinderz
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dizzy_red wrote:Well, that'd be all well and good - but the only people saying that this advice came from UEFA are Arsenal.
Who else could comment? There are apparently multiple witnesses to this too. Obviously UEFA dont want to set a precedent which is fair enough but under the circumstances would a reasonable independent person, act differently given the same advice the official apparently gave. If the advice was incorrect, then the official should be reprimanded. If the advice wasnt given then UEFA should publically call Wenger and Arsenal liars. Edited by Hinderz: 6/9/2011 05:20:53 PM
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sydneycroatia58
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dizzy_red wrote:Well, that'd be all well and good - but the only people saying that this advice came from UEFA are Arsenal.
And the only people saying it didn't is UEFA. I have to say I do find it funny that UEFA decide to ban Wenger for what in the end could just turn out to be one big miscommunication, but then choose to do nothing about racist chants from both English and Bulgarian fans at the weekend.
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Well, that'd be all well and good - but the only people saying that this advice came from UEFA are Arsenal.
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Hinderz
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Arsene is guilty of following the guidelines given to him by a UEFA official.
What's the point of having UEFA officials at games if they don't understand the application of their own rules.
Like I said, would have behaved differently had he been given correct advice from UEFA. It would be like a Cop pulling you over to check your license and then fining you for pulling over in a no parking zone.
Edited by Hinderz: 6/9/2011 03:51:17 PM
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So now Vermaelen could be out for up to 2 months after surgery on his achilles. Oh well, it was good while it lasted.
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dizzy_red wrote:Their role involved writing this in the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations: Quote:Article 70 Ordinary enforcement of suspensions
1 A team manager/coach who is suspended from carrying out his function may follow the match for which he is suspended from the stands only. He may not enter the dressing room, tunnel or technical area before or during the match, nor may he communicate with his team. That was the 2011 regulations - but just to make sure you're in no doubt that this has been in the rules for years, here's 2006: Quote:Article 70 Ordinary enforcement of suspensions
1 A team manager/coach who is suspended from carrying out his function may follow the match for which he is suspended from the stands only. He may not enter the dressing room, tunnel or technical area before or during the match, nor may he communicate with his team. Doe-eyed innocence doesn't work when you're plainly guilty. We were told by UEFA that it was ok for him to relay messages through Boro, and then completely changed their tune at HT. That's the problem with all of this. Edited by sydneycroatia58: 6/9/2011 03:23:52 PM
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Their role involved writing this in the UEFA Disciplinary Regulations: Quote:Article 70 Ordinary enforcement of suspensions
1 A team manager/coach who is suspended from carrying out his function may follow the match for which he is suspended from the stands only. He may not enter the dressing room, tunnel or technical area before or during the match, nor may he communicate with his team. That was the 2011 regulations - but just to make sure you're in no doubt that this has been in the rules for years, here's 2006: Quote:Article 70 Ordinary enforcement of suspensions
1 A team manager/coach who is suspended from carrying out his function may follow the match for which he is suspended from the stands only. He may not enter the dressing room, tunnel or technical area before or during the match, nor may he communicate with his team. Doe-eyed innocence doesn't work when you're plainly guilty.
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Hinderz
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Uefa are taking no responsibility for their role in this. Sure wenger contacted the bench through a third party but only after he been given assurances that through a third party is acceptable by UEFA officials, both before the game and at half time. If they had said no arsene you can't contact the bench at all, then sure the ban is definitely deserved, but had he been given correct advice by UEFA then surely he would have acted differently
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Quote:[size=6] UEFA reject Arsenal appeal over Wenger ban[/size] The following has been announced by UEFA: "The UEFA Appeals Body has rejected the appeal lodged by Arsenal FC and Arsène Wenger against the two-match suspension handed to the manager in the wake of the English club's UEFA Champions League play-off first leg against Udinese Calcio on 16 August. "Wenger will now be suspended from carrying out his duties at Arsenal's next two UEFA competition matches – the UEFA Champions League group stage games against Borussia Dortmund and Olympiacos FC on 13 and 28 September – in accordance with the decision taken by the UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body on 22 August. "The manager was awarded this suspension for not abiding by an earlier decision of the Control and Disciplinary Body during the Udinese home game – in which Wenger was serving a one-match ban imposed following Arsenal's final UEFA Champions League game of last season. "The Control and Disciplinary Body also fined Arsenal €10,000 for improper conduct by their officials during the match against the Italian team in north London." http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/uefa-reject-arsenal-appeal-over-wenger-ban No surprise, still doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
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Hinderz
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That offer is apparently already on the table, just waiting for Sol to hang up the boots. If we are struck by (god forbid) more injuries I'd probably rather see Campbell rather than squillaci along side kos or djourou, just not mertesaker
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beersandwich wrote:Hinderz wrote:I wonder if rotation is the issue, that we over work our good players so we don't have to play our crap ones.
$5 says Sol Campbell hasn't played his last game for Arsenal yet. i saw some quotes from campbell few weeks ago saying he is waiting for a call from arsene. maybe hes psychic :-k I think those quotes were more in jest because he's been training with the club. More likely that the call from Arsene will be about a coaching job.
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Either that or since he's been training with them he's been cutting down vermaelen every chance he gets
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Hinderz wrote:I wonder if rotation is the issue, that we over work our good players so we don't have to play our crap ones.
$5 says Sol Campbell hasn't played his last game for Arsenal yet. i saw some quotes from campbell few weeks ago saying he is waiting for a call from arsene. maybe hes psychic :-k
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Hinderz
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I wonder if rotation is the issue, that we over work our good players so we don't have to play our crap ones.
$5 says Sol Campbell hasn't played his last game for Arsenal yet.
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so now vermaelen has had surgery on his achilles. and capello says wilshere shouldnt have gone on holiday and then pre season while injured.
are arsenal just cursed or worst medical department ever?
at least alex and lansbury did well for u21s
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imnofreak wrote:Nice.
I wonder if he'll ever get a game for Spain. I would love to see it but Spain will look to youth before Arteta
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Nice.
I wonder if he'll ever get a game for Spain.
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Damnn, does that top look good on him!?
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Love the state of our currency when it comes to online shopping via Arsenal Direct!
I'll be getting me an Arsenal home jersey with #19 Wilshere, and an away jersey with #8 Arteta, both for under $215AU (+a few $ for the oversea's transaction, still under $220)!
Oh and Ken, this is by no means an inspired copy cat move, we just have the same great taste.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Ebecilio step up to the first team. Rooney and Cesc both won the same award he just did at their youth world cups and started starring in the PL as teens
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Quote:Now there's some new Dutch talent bubbling under in the guise of midfield duo Ebecilio and Oguzhan Ozyakup. The latter is 17 months older and was on the bench at Old Trafford last month, and Ebecilio wants to earn his chance sooner rather than later.
thought it said 17 months old, was woundering if Wenger really had lost it.
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Quote:[size=6] Ebecilio maps out his path to the first team[/size] By Chris Harris Kyle Ebecilio wants to be the next Dutchman to break into Arsène Wenger's first team. Holland has been well represented at Arsenal in recent times with Dennis Bergkamp, Marc Overmars and new captain Robin van Persie all gracing Highbury, Emirates Stadium or even both. Now there's some new Dutch talent bubbling under in the guise of midfield duo Ebecilio and Oguzhan Ozyakup. The latter is 17 months older and was on the bench at Old Trafford last month, and Ebecilio wants to earn his chance sooner rather than later. "My first aim is to start every game in the Reserves and score five goals by Christmas," he told Arsenal.com. "Then I would like to join the first team and make my debut in the Carling Cup. "I signed my first [professional] contract in February and that was very important for me. The manager has said I have to keep working hard and that is what I will do." Ebecilio turned to his young compatriot when he first arrived in England last summer and now he is learning from one of the main men in Arsenal's midfield. "I used to live about five miles away from Ozzy [Ozyakup] and he used to help me in training," said Ebecilio. "I couldn't speak English for the first two months so he helped me with what the coaches were saying "Now I am modelling my game on Alex Song's. I like the way Song plays, he has power and strength. He is a strong midfield player, very smart and technically very good. I look up to him. "Sometimes I ask him about football, but also about settling in because he was young when he came here." http://www.arsenal.com/news/reserves-news/ebecilio-maps-out-path-to-the-first-team
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I thought scousers fed on rats. Either that or your own tears proceeding another failed job application.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:I didn't know scousers watched European games these days... We have to watch as we know that when we are in European comps we can win them and so have to scout the other title threats. Edited by moofa: 5/9/2011 10:14:21 PM
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Yes, we feed on the tears of cockneys getting shafted by Spaniards.
It's a tradition, or an old charter, or something.
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I didn't know scousers watched European games these days...
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