:lol: When I saw you posted in here I knew it would be about Scholes.

And no. Gerrard is better.

And find a player who disagrees? Sure.

I don't even want to go into that Zidane quote :lol:

Zidane was the one player who keeps talking about Scholes being the best CM he has played against time and time again. I don't where you got that (I think he may have just been polite in that interview, if he did say it). Again, I am taking nothing away from Gerrard, he has been out of this world but he has always been a step behind Scholes and that is not a criticism.

Anyway, it is something that we are never going to agree on, I could provide stats but it wouldn't be fair or relevant, even to Liverpool fans :lol:

At the end of the day, I am glad that Gerrard is staying and will continue at the club, he and the club deserves it.

:lol: Yeah. And it's no slight on Scholes - I think he's a terrific player too. But what I was saying was that Gerrard is a more complete player. He can do some things that Scholes can't, but of course there are things that Scholes does better. And in regards to complete player, Gerrard was able to play all over the park - right back, defensive mid, central mid, attacking mid, right mid, up front.

Put it this way - a team of Gerrard's v a team of Scholes'. Gerrard's would win every time. :P.

It's just a fucking shame it never worked out that they played much together for England. They would have dominated.

But yes, I'm sure it is nothing we'll ever be able to agree on :P

Reasons Gerrard is better than Scholes:
- Gerrard could play anywhere on the park.
- Gerrard carried an entire team for the better part of 5 seasons.
- Gerrard can actually tackle and isn't a hack
- Gerrard doesn't hold the record for the fastest ever EPL Red card.
- Gerrard doesn't have red hair.

I know a few points are taking the piss but it's hard to tell with you :d

I will take the 1st 3 points as valid if you mean them seriously.

Maradona wasn't as versatile, does that make Gerrard better? No. So Gerrard being able to play in a few positions doesn't make him a better CM than Scholes. I agree he carried Liverpool but where to? And the best players in our history didn't tackle, it's overrated :d

We could go all day :lol: But it would have been good to see them partner each other more for England though, instead of Scholes playing on the left.

:lol: Gerrard >> Scholes.

The only person who's ever going to argue that Scholes is better than Gerrard is the most blind of United fans.

:lol:

COATTESSSS!!!!

As soon as i saw the teamsheet i knew it would would finish nil-nil. Playing 5 defenders and 0 strikers at home (Yes, Kuyt is not a striker) is honestly pathetic, especially against stoke. What's going on Kenny

It's been a very bizarre couple of weeks with the line-ups and some of Kenny's selections. Perhaps he was expecting another attacking option to arrive during the week?

IIRC correctly didn't you play a similar formation against Stoke and Chelsea last season and won both? That'd probably be the reason for doing it.

What sydcro said. We had some great success with it last season and Kenny was a tactical genius... we don't win this one and he is clueless as a manager and has no idea :lol: I fucking hate kneejerkers.

5 points from the top 4. That's alright.

Kenny put a team out there good enough to do the job - stoke parked the bus in front and good on them the tactic paid off.
Thats how it goes no one is to blame but the players imo, they didn't serve up the play to get the 3points not Kennys fault.
Yer I'll take the 5 from the top 4.
Pity the Toons snuck in the late winner :(

:S They scored their goal in the first half... :P

They were lucky to win though, QPR hit the woodwork a few times and had a couple of big chances.

Damn my bad - seeing the highlights thought it was a late winner #-o

Every team that's come to anfield has parked the bus, yet over half way through the season, we still haven't learnt how to break them down. We've only won 4 out of the 11 home games! The team obviously needs to score more goals in order to win at home, but i don't see how playing 5 at the back is going to help.

Wouldn't really call Glen Johnson a defender though....it's really a 4-4-1 with a roaming Johno.

I did notice that - Johnson came infield quite often with Kuyt/Downing pushing out to the right. Very fluid system and if we had've won everybody would be calling Kenny a genius. Not to be, but we'll look ahead to the next game.

I'm not sure if it is tactical genius or just GJ forgetting that he needs to defend at times :d

I think for the system to work we needed Suarez up top creating or someone decent finishing. With Kuyt up there it just didn't click.

Yes. We should be playing a guy who's suspended for another 4 games.

No, it's not. We're counting on 2 teams above us to drop 6 points unanswered through the rest of the season. It's not a good position by any means.

What I was trying to say was the system only works with a Suarez type player up top, not with Kuyt.

Kuyt has a lot of run and a lot to offer, but he can't lead the line. We need to find another option.

Saw that earlier today. I'd be keen on him tbh.

Scholes spent plenty of time up front in his youth days and was on occassion used out wide effectively but I get your point.

I think the reason Gerrard gets more of the credit from fans is he has this kind of heroic image to his game and he symbolizes the club, that makes him stand out in the game whereas Scholes is so humble that his light has barely shone through when he has played with profiles the likes of Giggs, Neville, Keane, Ronaldo, Cantona, Rooney, Beckham etc. He has never had the opportunity to stand out in his own team and thus gain the recognition he deserves and that is purely down to personality rather than talent.

They could have been great together for England but Scholes never wanted that, he hated the plastic feel of the England set up and hated being away from his kids. Liverpool fans idolize Gerrard because he is such an icon at the club with a huge passionate personality, whereas I and many United fans worship Scholes for the complete opposite personality, his lack of interest in the material aspects of his career and his quiet yet passionate devotion to 'wake up in the morning, drop the kids at school, football, pick the kids up from school'. Both players I respect hugely and see as ambassadors of the game, my respect for Scholes is a massive part of why I support United tbh.

Edited by fredsta: 17/1/2012 11:30:15 AM

And almost everyone who's ever played with or against Scholes :d
I think the fairest way to settle the debate is to simply split them by saying Gerrard is the fans player and Scholes is the players player, both incredible players, both the best of their generations and both two of the finest England have ever and will ever produce.

Saw this. He's a decent player. But it's just his agent drawing attention to the fact that he's a decent player who isn't getting enough first team football and hoping to whore him out.

Except in an 18 year career with over 700 games played, he'd have played against several thousand players and with more than a hundred. So clearly that's not the case.

Quiet much ?

It was Bolton I guess

A club in crisis? A club in crisis.