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AJohn wrote:How would the table look if we didn't fuck up leads? You think you have a problem fucking up leads. I won't hijack your thread with Soton stats, but we are the kings of throwing points away like they're going out of fashion. :lol:
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afromanGT
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MidfieldMaestro wrote:AJohn wrote:How would the table look if we didn't fuck up leads? You think you have a problem fucking up leads. I won't hijack your thread with Soton stats, but we are the kings of throwing points away like they're going out of fashion. :lol: At the same time, Southampton aren't talking up their chances of finishing in the top 4...
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BETHFC
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afromanGT wrote:Fucking sigh. Another winning position surrendered. Good signs and such. And if you offered me two draws last week for Arsenal and City away I'd have bit your hand off.
All that said, we've got to do something about this defence over the summer. Bring in that commanding CB. Part of the reason Reina's had such bumbling form over the last season and a half is because Skrtel and Agger simply don't work together. No idea who to bring in though. TBH Reina has made noticably more mistakes this year. How muh more can you take before you replace him?
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afromanGT
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Quote:TBH Reina has made noticably more mistakes this year. How muh more can you take before you replace him? Like I said in the 'matchday' thread, if every keeper was "replaced" after a poor run Buffon, Hart, Casillas and Valdez would all be down at the unemployment office as well. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Believe in the keeper, put a decent CB in front of him and this will sort itself out.
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AJohn
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At least Swansea and West Brom lost. Though we need to beat Brom to kick them away from us.
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afromanGT
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AJohn wrote:At least Swansea and West Brom lost. Though we need to beat Brom to kick them away from us. They're our next two opponents at Anfield. But we've also got a trip to Zenit to worry about as well. We've got a run of games we really should be winning. But the last time I said that we butchered it.
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:TBH Reina has made noticably more mistakes this year. How muh more can you take before you replace him? Like I said in the 'matchday' thread, if every keeper was "replaced" after a poor run Buffon, Hart, Casillas and Valdez would all be down at the unemployment office as well. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Believe in the keeper, put a decent CB in front of him and this will sort itself out. Spot on afro but benels is probably fishing I expect :-k Add in de gea and Szczesny for eg as well their form in certain games over the season. Yep don't talk too soon afro but we are looking a more lethal unit going forward and holding possession far better than earlier in the season, just need to get the defense co ordinated more so OR just out score our opponents :p 13 league games left - its going to be a roller coaster I tell you [-o<
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:TBH Reina has made noticably more mistakes this year. How muh more can you take before you replace him? Like I said in the 'matchday' thread, if every keeper was "replaced" after a poor run Buffon, Hart, Casillas and Valdez would all be down at the unemployment office as well. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Believe in the keeper, put a decent CB in front of him and this will sort itself out. I guess I Should clarify - A keeper is there to stop the comfortable shots ging in. More than once this year Reina has been guilty of letting in shots that have nothing to do with a CB. I think it was against West Ham but he let in a goal that should never have been and the CB did well to push the goal scorer wider. Do you think it's down to confidence in the player's in front of him? Remember Heurelho Gomes? He was a great keeper for 2 seasons and then starting making confidence killing blunders he never recovered from.
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afromanGT
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Quote:I guess I Should clarify - A keeper is there to stop the comfortable shots ging in. More than once this year Reina has been guilty of letting in shots that have nothing to do with a CB. I think it was against West Ham but he let in a goal that should never have been and the CB did well to push the goal scorer wider. And again, the same thing applies to Hart, Buffon, Casillas, Valdez, De Gea, etc. There's a long list of keepers who have had struggles with form and they're still at their club and still performing. Reina has shown himself to be a top class keeper on many occasions.
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:TBH Reina has made noticably more mistakes this year. How muh more can you take before you replace him? Like I said in the 'matchday' thread, if every keeper was "replaced" after a poor run Buffon, Hart, Casillas and Valdez would all be down at the unemployment office as well. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Believe in the keeper, put a decent CB in front of him and this will sort itself out. Spot on afro but benels is probably fishing I expect :-k Add in de gea and Szczesny for eg as well their form in certain games over the season. Yep don't talk too soon afro but we are looking a more lethal unit going forward and holding possession far better than earlier in the season, just need to get the defense co ordinated more so OR just out score our opponents :p 13 league games left - its going to be a roller coaster but optimistic :d
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Even if we did bench Reina, who do we bring in? Jones isn't up to scratch for the big games, and we sold Doni in the window just gone. Reina is the best we've got at this current point in time, until we get someone better, then Reina's the option we'd rather take.
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MidfieldMaestro
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afromanGT wrote:MidfieldMaestro wrote:AJohn wrote:How would the table look if we didn't fuck up leads? You think you have a problem fucking up leads. I won't hijack your thread with Soton stats, but we are the kings of throwing points away like they're going out of fashion. :lol: At the same time, Southampton aren't talking up their chances of finishing in the top 4... You're right, we're both after different things. You're after top 4, we're after survival. Just like you'd be well on your way to top 4 if not for blowing so many leads, we'd be pretty well safe by now if it wasn't for handing out free points instead of keeping them for ourselves.
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BETHFC
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AJohn wrote:Even if we did bench Reina, who do we bring in? Jones isn't up to scratch for the big games, and we sold Doni in the window just gone. Reina is the best we've got at this current point in time, until we get someone better, then Reina's the option we'd rather take. I think he'd pick his game up if he played in fear of losing his position. Perhaps his lack of competition is not helping his patchy form. He is a decent keeper, possibly not world class, but he can equal any keeper on his day. I just think in the limited games i've watched this season he'd let in goals he shouldn't and they're goals a CB doesn't have much to do with.
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afromanGT wrote:AJohn wrote:How would the table look if we didn't fuck up leads? August 26th, v Man City, concede in 80th minute. 2-2. October 28th, @ Everton, concede in 22nd and 35th minute. 2-2. January 30th, @ Arsenal, concede in 64th and 67th minute. 2-2. February 2nd, @ Man City, concede in 78th minute. 2-2. That's 4 games where we've surrendered a winning position to draw. That's cost us 8 points and we'd be on 44 points, right on Tottenham's arse in 5th. Except Spurs would gain another 10-15 points from the leads they've squandered, so you wouldn't be much better off :lol:
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M.L. wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:TBH Reina has made noticably more mistakes this year. How muh more can you take before you replace him? Like I said in the 'matchday' thread, if every keeper was "replaced" after a poor run Buffon, Hart, Casillas and Valdez would all be down at the unemployment office as well. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Believe in the keeper, put a decent CB in front of him and this will sort itself out. Spot on afro but benels is probably fishing I expect :-k Not at all. If I were a Pool fan i'd worry about which Reina would be coming out on the day. Good keeper who's conceeded some soft goals this season.
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afromanGT
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AJohn wrote:Even if we did bench Reina, who do we bring in? Jones isn't up to scratch for the big games, and we sold Doni in the window just gone. Reina is the best we've got at this current point in time, until we get someone better, then Reina's the option we'd rather take. Doni wasn't sold, his contract was ripped up. There's no reason to get rid of Reina. You can put whoever you want in goal but if you can't put a sturdy, more consistent defence in front of him then you're going to continue to have these problems.
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afromanGT wrote:AJohn wrote:Even if we did bench Reina, who do we bring in? Jones isn't up to scratch for the big games, and we sold Doni in the window just gone. Reina is the best we've got at this current point in time, until we get someone better, then Reina's the option we'd rather take. Doni wasn't sold, his contract was ripped up. There's no reason to get rid of Reina. You can put whoever you want in goal but if you can't put a sturdy, more consistent defence in front of him then you're going to continue to have these problems. But this same defence gave you the 3rd best Goals Conceded tally just last season. Are you telling me they went from one of the best in the league, to being unable to play with each other?
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benelsmore wrote:M.L. wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:TBH Reina has made noticably more mistakes this year. How muh more can you take before you replace him? Like I said in the 'matchday' thread, if every keeper was "replaced" after a poor run Buffon, Hart, Casillas and Valdez would all be down at the unemployment office as well. Form is temporary, class is permanent. Believe in the keeper, put a decent CB in front of him and this will sort itself out. Spot on afro but benels is probably fishing I expect :-k Not at all. If I were a Pool fan i'd worry about which Reina would be coming out on the day. Good keeper who's conceeded some soft goals this season. Totally agree. I think Reina is passed it. He's been average for the whole season, and most of last tbh. I said it a while back, but I cant remember the last time Reina had a great game.
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Funky Munky wrote:afromanGT wrote:AJohn wrote:Even if we did bench Reina, who do we bring in? Jones isn't up to scratch for the big games, and we sold Doni in the window just gone. Reina is the best we've got at this current point in time, until we get someone better, then Reina's the option we'd rather take. Doni wasn't sold, his contract was ripped up. There's no reason to get rid of Reina. You can put whoever you want in goal but if you can't put a sturdy, more consistent defence in front of him then you're going to continue to have these problems. But this same defence gave you the 3rd best Goals Conceded tally just last season. Are you telling me they went from one of the best in the league, to being unable to play with each other? They've been inconsistent performers, they don't communicate well and simply aren't on the same page. We also had the advantage of Carragher being involved in the team under a regular basis.
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afromanGT wrote:Funky Munky wrote:afromanGT wrote:AJohn wrote:Even if we did bench Reina, who do we bring in? Jones isn't up to scratch for the big games, and we sold Doni in the window just gone. Reina is the best we've got at this current point in time, until we get someone better, then Reina's the option we'd rather take. Doni wasn't sold, his contract was ripped up. There's no reason to get rid of Reina. You can put whoever you want in goal but if you can't put a sturdy, more consistent defence in front of him then you're going to continue to have these problems. But this same defence gave you the 3rd best Goals Conceded tally just last season. Are you telling me they went from one of the best in the league, to being unable to play with each other? They've been inconsistent performers, they don't communicate well and simply aren't on the same page. We also had the advantage of Carragher being involved in the team under a regular basis. Carragher still only played half the games Agger and Skrtel did last season. It's not like they're a new pairing.
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afromanGT wrote:Funky Munky wrote:afromanGT wrote:AJohn wrote:Even if we did bench Reina, who do we bring in? Jones isn't up to scratch for the big games, and we sold Doni in the window just gone. Reina is the best we've got at this current point in time, until we get someone better, then Reina's the option we'd rather take. Doni wasn't sold, his contract was ripped up. There's no reason to get rid of Reina. You can put whoever you want in goal but if you can't put a sturdy, more consistent defence in front of him then you're going to continue to have these problems. But this same defence gave you the 3rd best Goals Conceded tally just last season. Are you telling me they went from one of the best in the league, to being unable to play with each other? They've been inconsistent performers, they don't communicate well and simply aren't on the same page. We also had the advantage of Carragher being involved in the team under a regular basis. How are you judging this supposed lack of communication? Agger is one of the best centre backs in the world at the moment, I don't think he could perform so well for club and country, and be a poor communicator...
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afromanGT
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Vaughn2111 wrote:How are you judging this supposed lack of communication?
Agger is one of the best centre backs in the world at the moment, I don't think he could perform so well for club and country, and be a poor communicator... I just don't think they're on the same page. Skrtel is the weak link IMO. Agger is quality but Skrtel hasn't developed into the Vidic/Kompany-esque enforcer we hoped he would.
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afromanGT wrote:Vaughn2111 wrote:How are you judging this supposed lack of communication?
Agger is one of the best centre backs in the world at the moment, I don't think he could perform so well for club and country, and be a poor communicator... I just don't think they're on the same page. Skrtel is the weak link IMO. Agger is quality but Skrtel hasn't developed into the Vidic/Kompany-esque enforcer we hoped he would. He is still a solid player. Besides, if there is a communication problem wouldn't Reina be apart of that as well?. So potentially another failing on his part? Because if Reina and agger were both god communicators, surely there wouldnt be an issue in the first place?
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Vaughn2111 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Vaughn2111 wrote:How are you judging this supposed lack of communication?
Agger is one of the best centre backs in the world at the moment, I don't think he could perform so well for club and country, and be a poor communicator... I just don't think they're on the same page. Skrtel is the weak link IMO. Agger is quality but Skrtel hasn't developed into the Vidic/Kompany-esque enforcer we hoped he would. He is still a solid player. Besides, if there is a communication problem wouldn't Reina be apart of that as well?. So potentially another failing on his part? Because if Reina and agger were both god communicators, surely there wouldnt be an issue in the first place? "A chain is only as strong as its weakest link".
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Skragger is a great partnership. Reina will be moved on in the summer I think. It's a shame because the distribution side of his game is excellent, and we need that.
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I'll probably get some opposition to this, but Carra has been excellent last few games. He's balanced the defence well and HE is always communicating and organises the defense very well. Something we do lack otherwise.
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Agree with imno on both accounts.
Love having Skrtel and Agger at the back when they're at there best. Though Skrtel is definitely inconsistent.
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We've been expecting this for some time now, but Jamie Carragher will retire at the end of this season. Absolute legend. There's not too many one-club men anymore these days. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21371091
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afromanGT
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It's going to be a real shame to not see him in the jersey any more. But I've got no doubt he'll be around Anfield for a long time. Hopefully we can send him out on a high in the Europa League.
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