The thing I like with the training drill is the amount of content delivered in a short time period.
The number one problem I see with coaches is they are too lazy and take training too slowly, then when they wear suits to training you can be guaranteed they like the sound of their own voice and will waste half an hour lecturing. Irrspective of what training exercises they chose being busy and getting touches on the ball is important.I don;t know what its like in Tasmania, but amongst the kids here they are obsessed with dribbling and they pass on various dribbling techniques particularly Africans, afghans. Where they are very weak is making long passes, vision, making penetrating attacking runs off the ball, trapping the ball off long or hard passes, heading the ball. The other thing is they don;t understand once they beat a player, they just have to draw away a player from someone else and pass early.

Not sure what things are like down in Tassie, but most half-decent kids up here in Sydney have mastered everything you mention in this thread by 12.

Deccentrics' program is no different to whats already been happening in Melbourne and growing.
Hope Tassie takes up on this quickly.

Despise is rather a strong word, I would rather suggest that, this forum is not really my thing. :) I prefer a range of discussion topics. Anyway.

As for your assertion that 'many' people see the positives, I can count 3 positive posters other than yours in this thread. I suppose that is a 'few'. :)

Oscar, Edude, Beaver, Freaken, Gary (all being part of aforementioned Group 1), what do you propose as alternative methodology for a football school?

We are using:

1. KNVB methodology
2. Wilf Coerver ball techniques
3. UEFA Training Ground technique videos
4. Brazilian Soccer Schools deception and turning skills
5. Barcelona Academy drills

This is quite extensive methodology and used in top professional clubs around the world. These are all used in the context of the first two phases of the KNVB framework.

4v4 is used, which is the minimum SSG to utilise width and depth. The game intelligence extrapolates to 11 v 11.

Some videos have been put on here to exemplify specific techniques to forum members which are not part of 1-5.

Now is the time to delineate what alternative methodology you would use.

One would assume you are all experts holding advanced coaching qualifications. Moreover, one could assume given your scepticism of the five sources of contemporary methodology the football school wishes to use, that you have graduated from the Italian Coverciano, the French Clarefontaine, the Brazilian and German football federations.
Now set out your reservations about the five football sources of methodology, why you would not use any or all of them, then propose alternatives.

Put up or shut up.




Edited by Decentric: 5/4/2011 12:46:47 AM

:^o

koji edude jebote:-$

Nice work edude

stunning stuff...aussies will be world champs by 2024. i have been playing for over 30 years and some of the drills are out of this world
modern aussie soka playa will look like this

This will put Ken Morton out of business.

Edited by Decentric: 5/5/2011 11:43:13 PM

[quote=Freaken]lol

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this.

As long as you're sticking to Tassie, no major damage. :lol: [/quoteGroup 1.


Group 1
A predominantly Sydney based self-anointed football pseudo - inelligentsia exist. They consistenly deride KNVB methodology, and label it some sort of product analogous to Amway. They are essentially xenophobic.

They don't proffer any alternative methodology such as the Italian Coverciano, French Clarefontaine, or the new German high speed precision football, borrowed from the Dutch. They also share nothing with each other or anybody else about coaching. They exude a sneering cynicism about foreign coaching expertise in this country. They claim the local Aussie coaches are adequate, but don't suggest which methodology or curriculum they should use.
They denigrate anybody interested in football until after 2005 as new dawners, thus having no credibility. They communicate with each other through a sneering, hostile, blokey cynicism. They are often passionate football fans, but cynical and malcontented. They hate 442 forum. They are very opiniated about football, but have little theoretical knowledge to substantiate their views.

lol

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this.

As long as you're sticking to Tassie, no major damage. :lol:

Rationale for starting a portable football school in Hobart.

1. There are a lot of teenagers dropping out of soccer. The core principle of soccer is that children have fun and grow to love the game through participation and building friendships. Junior clubs finish at under 12. Senior clubs start with under 13s. There is considerable drop off between the two.

2. This soccer school is free. Clubs need to provide equipment - poles, bibs, cones and balls.

3. Elite players gain most of the sound coaching in Tasmania. We are doing the first two stages of the KNVB four stage paradigm –
1) a. Specific/technique/skill b. Technique/skill in fun activities/games
2) 4v4 SSGs.
The soccer school programme methodology is essentially Dutch KNVB, UEFA, Brazilian Soccer Schools, Wilf Coerver and current FFA.

4. Junior footballers need senior role models. We would like to organise premier league players of both genders on a roster to attend sessions. Interesting that there seem to be many more suggested female role models than males!

5. There is not enough technique training in Tasmania/Australia. Some coaches are still asking players to run without the ball. Children like playing with the ball.

6. Some parents get lumbered with coaching their kids' teams with no previous knowledge of the game. They need demonstration models of coaching sessions. Football Federation Tasmania provides courses for Grass Roots and Junior Licences, which is good, but they involve weekend commitment and money. The parents also don't see coaching models in operation. We intend to provide working sessions for those parents.

7. Migrants are often passionate about the game, but some can't afford registration fees. A few of us are providing an altruistic service. We've organised the Migrant Resource Centre to bus them to and from training grounds.
Premier clubs or junior associations will provide the poles, bibs, cones and balls. We provide the coaching free of charge for the participants. Three senior clubs have expressed interest. So has a junior club. One of the five state regional junior associations is also interested. We take the school to whoever will provide equipment. We suggest clubs leaflet their local primary schools. All have affiliated junior clubs.


8. If one coaches a club/rep team, one only has access to about 16-20 players over a season. This way we will have contact with many more players.

9. This soccer school is club non-specific with the main aims to promote enjoyment, fun, game intelligence and skills.

10. Soccer school mentors/coaches welcome positive feedback.




Protocol for Club Representatives assisting with the Soccer School

1. They are there to assist kids having fun, not as a recruitment programme for their club.

2. They need to be respectful and acknowledge the goals of the soccer
school and assume a supportive role in promoting those ideals.

3. They are there as positive role models to promote football in general.

4. As part of the positive role model we would encourage football mentors to turn up in club playing attire to promote football in general.

5. We see clubs being the residual beneficiaries of the participation of the junior/youth/migrant participants in the soccer schools programme.

6. Club mentors must be respectful to the children regardless of their skill level/ability/background.






This is an updated version of two of us putting our heads together to write this. We've sent this to clubs.

I'm feeling quite excited by the project. I feel like it is a win/win situation for all stakeholders.

What does "gamesmanship" have to do with Group 1? By this, I assume you mean the three groups of critics in decentric's post?

What you are talking about sounds like something the captain of the team should be sorting out during the game, rather than the coach... it sounds like spontaneous behaviour from individual players, rather than any pre-planned tactic.

One thing that has been taught well down here is body shape and using the body effectively in physical encounters on the pitch. Every coach I know has more knowledge than me in this area. It is always good to have one of the coaches with body shape knowledge assisting in any session we run. I learn all the time from them.

I also know nothing about goalkeeping. I even tell parents/kids before sessions.

Conversely, even though they know I am less experienced, other coaches are eager to learn KNVB methodology and technical work with the ball I've acquired.

Coaches working constructively together can compensate for each other's weaknesses.

Thanks again, Arthur.

We'll ensure clubs/regional associations have this before we take sessions.

I have made mistakes teaching players in the last few years.

Because the Brazilian techniques look so flamboyant, I think I've shown them to players too early, before they've mastered some more basic deception moves.

These are:

1. Inside foot dribbling from foot to foot and moving forwards.

2. The Cut as demonstrated by the balding coach.

3. Inside and outside of the foot dribbling with the same foot -inside/outside/inside/outside. These touches are always moving forwards. Also, the ball is pushed at a 45 degree angle every time the foot touches the ball. This is also known as the Matthews Cut to confuse things!!

4. The Body Swerve/Matthews Cut as demonstrated in the previous video in the previous post.

With these dribbling techniques, not much can go wrong. They are relatively simple. Lionel Messi and Arne Robben often don't use many more techniques than these when they run at defenders.

Why teach evasion techniques, when current FFA methodology and KNVB methodology and much top level football emphasise one and two touch pass and move football? At some stage all passing lanes may have been shut down. Other than players playing a long ball or playing the ball out of play, if a player can't beat players one on one, there is no other option.

Even Lucas Neill and David Carney when in defence judiciously use the Cut to occasionally dribble the ball past opponents in defence.


Here is another scenario.

Coach X coaches a female underage team. They play roster matches in a boys division. He is a good bloke and a good coach.

Coach C (a co-coach in this soccer school), another good bloke and a good coach, coached a boys team against the female state team. He found it easy to negate the state team playing out from the back on many occasions. The state team relied on one and two touch football and the creation of passing lanes to move the ball out of defence.
When all passing lanes were closed, they had no options and they had been taught not to hoof it. Coach C suggests coach X should have spent time on deception techniques. When passing lanes had been closed, the girls needed some other options according to coach C.

Fair comment.

Even in teams playing one and two touch pass and move football, it is not always possible to play it everywhere on the pitch.



Edited by Decentric: 3/4/2011 10:12:01 PM

http://www.ehow.com/video_2360374_do-matthews-turn-soccer.html


This is interesting. It is sometimes called the Matthews Cut after Stanley Matthews. It is also called the body swerve.

On another internet video the player touched the ball initially with the inside of the foot, before taking the ball away with the ouside of the same foot.

I was shown this move when I was quite young. It has been useful because so many moves come fom this.

Personally, I think the body swerve/Matthews Cut is a better move running straight at a defender than the Cut demonstrated by the balding coach coaching the two girls in the earlier video. I think the Cut is a better move as a more diagonal or sideways deception technique.

There is one aspect to football that I have never seen discussed on any forum.

Game man ship
This is when a midfielder teaches an opposition defender to not rush in on him, a goal keeper to stay on his line and singles out a hot head on the other team and antagonizes him into losing concentration.

Many coaches seem to not understand or appreciate this and can not read when one of their own players is using this tactic.
Group 1 fall into this group.

Constructive criticism is always welcomed. One can only learn from it.

They have been no deterrent whatsoever from training ground coaching.

What they have done is hijack productive coaching discussion and the sharing of ideas on the internet.

This comment is meant for some people like Webby et al, who know me from other forums. Localstar, unless you post under a different name on one of those forums and know me under a name other than Localstar, 442 has been a revelation. I've been here for four years on and off and I can't remember any polemics I've been involved in. There are a few on other forums who post because they are bored and troll most of the time, looking to take out their frustrations on others, and, to hijack productive discussions which occur on the likes of here.

442 is a breath of fresh air. The categories of 1. and 2. mentioned above, launch diatribes about 442, excoriating the people who set it up and the participants.

That this Performance Section has been set up is great. Credit to Kevin and Andy, and whoever else for conceiving the concept, then putting it into practice.

Some other 442 members know well about categories 1. and 2. Pertinently, those 442 members tend to post primarily on this forum.

Every coach I team up with has more experience than me. I played street football for 7 years, then played 8 years of organised football which came to a stop. I have learnt a lot from many different coaches, which is probably relevant for any coach.

I think I've done 8-9 years coaching, plus two years observing some of the state's top coaches twice weekly.

Decentric, you seem a bit too paranoid in imagining that cliques and factions of people are aligned against you, and are opposed to your coaching methods.

A few dozen people posting on internet forums should not deter a committed coach from pursuing his program.

And if you continually post about your coaching programs on the internet, you must expect some response, some of it positive, some of it critical. You don't seem to be able to take criticism- you react to critics as if they are heretics standing in the way of human progress, or something.

Some people probably have more practical experience of football than you, so are entitled to comment on your coaching philosophies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVKgen5ZRBI&feature=related



This was a technique I learnt from Jo Peters, former Matildas' player, taking NTC players for a coaching session. I haven't felt comfortable with this technique as demonstrated by the coach in the video, although some state coaches found it easier than almost all other dribbling techniques when we observed Jo's session.

I can do the Cruyff Cut, a much more flamboyant technique, much more easily. The Cruyff Cut should be a lot harder than the standard Cut.

One way I learnt to do the standard Cut is to dribble slowly at a diagonal 45 degrees, then cut at about 90 degrees. It might not look too good when I do it, I haven't seen footage. I think the instructor looks funny, but the girls, particularly the taller one, look fine. I've seen Harry Kewell use this very effectively in the earlier part of his career.

Edited by Decentric: 14/4/2011 09:07:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FogGzrYVL3c&feature=related


This is a move seen fairly frequently by top players in Australia. I find it quite easy.

It is a useful precursor to the Brazilian Soccer Schools dribbling techniques labelled as the Ronaldo, the Ronaldinho and the Kleberson, which are much more difficult. The point in common is that they all start with the roll, or sideways/diagonal sole of the foot inside dribble, an essential component for Brazilian players.


I find the Rivelino Elastic more difficult again. I just can't do it very well at all, even after a lot of practice.

Edited by Decentric: 3/4/2011 02:30:24 AM

To the astonishment of many reading this thread, there are some amazing sceptics in the Australian football milieu.

When in Australlia, KNVB coaches instructed local coaches to have players pass the ball harder, in order to create less opportunities to intercept the ball, if two players were in a straight line. Members of the following groups 1 and 2 thought this was extremely funny. In the last World Cup, one would have noticed exemplary practice of hard hit precision passes from Spain. The same if one watches Barcelona.

Here are three groups.

Group 1.
A predominantly Sydney based self-anointed football pseudo - inelligentsia exist. They consistenly deride KNVB methodology, and label it some sort of product analogous to Amway. They are essentially xenophobic.

They don't proffer any alternative methodology such as the Italian Coverciano, French Clarefontaine, or the new German high speed precision football, borrowed from the Dutch. They also share nothing with each other or anybody else about coaching. They exude a sneering cynicism about foreign coaching expertise in this country. They claim the local Aussie coaches are adequate, but don't suggest which methodology or curriculum they should use.
They denigrate anybody interested in football until after 2005 as new dawners, thus having no credibility. They communicate with each other through a sneering, hostile, blokey cynicism. They are often passionate football fans, but cynical and malcontented. They hate 442 forum. They are very opiniated about football, but have little theoretical knowledge to substantiate their views.

Group 2.
A few computer geeks, closer in age to Generation Y, have heard Group 1 proffer their cynical views often enough that they believe them. These guys are often well - educated. They have no role in coaching or clubs because they can't leave their beloved computers for long. Their favourite mode of social communication is through the internet. A number of them are passionate, but very cynical and malcontented football fans. They hate 442 forum. They are often opiniated about football, but with little theoretical or practical knowledge to substantiate their views.

Group 3. There are a plethora of coaches, often older, who ignore current edicts from TDs Baan and now Berger. They refuse to change. They coach kids/adults the same way they did in the past. The system has produced a plethora of strong, physical players with inadequate technique and low game intelligence. The best thing about these guys is they are giving up time for the betterment of the game.


Thankfully, groups 1 and 2 are very limited in number. Whenever coaches would try and share information on other forums, they would inundate the thread with snide and cynical comments about sharing coaching methodology. Thankfully, 442 have established the Performance Section.


Group 3 is a concern. There are still large numbers of coaches making players run without the ball in this state. This is probably replicated in other states too. There is a lot of knowledge and experience in this group. They are often well -intentioned, but are recalcitrant to positive change . Results based coaching often appeals to them a lot more than development coaching.

It would be great to have them working in roles as assistant coaches or co -coaches, supporting head coaches trained in European methodology. Their knowledge and expertise could be harnessed in a sound methodological framework.


Edited by Decentric: 3/4/2011 02:53:13 AM

Edited by Decentric: 4/4/2011 06:43:57 PM

The Barcelona Academy exercises are no longer on the internet.

There were five exercises from Barcelona. I can remember them well and have used them successfully, but it may be hard to explain them on here. These sorts of techniques produce technically adept players.


One good Barca passing move is directional control.

In the following diagram;
& is a player,
+ is a a pole.
o is the ball

&+....................+&
o

The left of the diagram player % inside of the foot passes the ball with the inside of the right foot to the right side of the diagram to player &.


Each player ( & ) receives the ball (o) with their left foot, cuts it onto the right side of the pole (+) and passes it with the inside other right foot. The ball should never cross the midline. Put the pole (or cones) on a boundary line on the pitch if you can.

I tried to use cones with this model to show 442 members, but they wouldn't work on this forum.


To reverse the sequence get players to receive it with their right foot and cut it with same foot, then pass with the left foot.

A mate of mine, a FFA Senior Licence accredited coach with the soccer school, has suggested something similar for years. The difference is the Barca exercise gives it some structure.

For junior players start the sequence with poles only two metres apart, with players standing behind poles.

I was doing it with a three metre distance between us, with a senior premier league player on a pitch with long grass, to trial it. I can't recommend this highly enough. Players are learning to dribble with good body shape from their first touch. It is also the quintessential two touch receive and pass that considered integral in the modern game.

With the premier league player we extended the distance to four metres and passed the ball much harder, requiring a more difficult receive.
A harder passed ball was suggested by a forum member in response to the demonstration programme I devised

To start with do the exercise slowly, emphasising good technique, head over the ball and watching it when passing and receiving.

The aforementioned post demonstrates this with the UEFA inside and outside of the foot passing technique video.



Edited by Decentric: 3/4/2011 02:29:29 AM

http://www.uefa.com/trainingground/training/skills/video/videoid=903004.html?autoplay=true

This is a UEFA one for short passing, inside and outside of the foot. It was sent by a college coach from Washington State, where a family member is playing college soccer.

In the past I haven't been aware of the importance of the angle of the non-kicking foot for the inside of the foot pass.

In this state many rep coaches have told a family member not to pass with the outside of the foot. The player has been accurate with the right foot for years. The player has had bad advice. UEFA are teaching them at the same time.

It is important to teach technique through players starting slowly.

Edited by Decentric: 3/4/2011 12:32:01 AM

yes thanks
As for some players holding the ball or holding up play, there is 2 young players i know that if you take the time to just watch them you quickly see the magic with which they attempt to manipulate the game.
Simplistic joy