How old are you, batfink? Cos the way you type and interact with others suggests you're about 13...

2PP back to 50/50.

Also, this is an interesting read:
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-latest-15-lies/

It'd probably make batfink's head explode.

ok so how did Greece get into deep shit???????

I'm 52, i type like this so 13 year old's like you can understand.....;) \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/

Edited by batfink: 28/7/2013 08:23:09 AM

not at all, the whole article is a lie in it itself....as i have stated before anyone can stack statistics and manipulate figures to further their own objectives, a lot of the comments and stats are taken out and applied out of context and are selectively subjective

Do you really need a lesson in basic economics?

Greece got into deep shit because their only income is basically from Olive Oil and tourism. They continually had to borrow money while having nothing being borrowed from them. Their debts outweighed their income and thus their economy plummeted when their country effectively became worthless.

Isn't that the same as not being able to repay your debt ??

Labor mulls boot camp for young job seekers
Date
July 28, 2013

Chris Johnson
National Political Correspondent

Young job seekers would be forced into tough army-style boot camps to qualify for the dole, under an election policy being considered by the Rudd government.

The Youth Start Boot Camp was tabled as a future election policy in a submission that has been leaked to Fairfax Media. It was put to the Labor government's powerful expenditure review committee by ministers Bill Shorten and Kate Ellis in May.

Senior government sources said the army-style camps - which are designed to impose strict disciplinary regimes - remained on the table as an election policy for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd.

The idea was framed as a possible vote winner for the government and was slated to be announced before August 15, if accepted.

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Fairfax has an outline of the written submission, which was discussed during a meeting of then Gillard government ministers putting up election campaign strategy proposals to the committee. Although the submission and initial meeting took place while Julia Gillard was prime minister, high-ranking government sources insist the proposal is still on the table.

Asked if the proposal was still under consideration, a spokeswoman for Mr Rudd said: "The government does not publicly discuss the submissions that come before the expenditure review committee of cabinet."

Mr Shorten, who is now Education Minister, and Ms Ellis, who remains Workplace Participation minister, also declined to comment.

But a senior government source said the submission was still alive. "Whatever the official word, this has not been taken off the table," the source said. "Not everything has been thrown out with the change of leadership.''

The proposal calls for $70 million over four years to be reallocated from Jobs Services Australia providers into other programs to ''assist young job seekers and provide campaigning opportunities''.

Early school leavers aged between 15 and 21 are the target.

A wide variety of wilderness and adventure boot camps are in place across Australia, ranging from those teaching discipline, presentation and attitude to those aimed at young repeat offenders.

The Queensland government is testing an early intervention youth boot camp that will focus on young people at risk of long-term offending.

In Sydney, BoysTown mixes adventure-based learning, sport and outdoor activities with employment programs to help people aged 15 to 25.

More than 84 per cent of the youths in BoysTown programs have not completed year 10.

Nearly half have never had a job or came from families that had a history of welfare dependency.

''Employers tell us there are two major things that they look for: competence and character,'' said John Perry, BoysTown's employment, education and training manager.

A study by Monash University found 61 per cent of participants in BoysTown programs found full-time employment, and nearly 12 per cent found part-time or casual work.

The Brahminy Foundation's wilderness camp, 200 kilometres from Darwin, is for some of society's most troubled and unemployable youths, including some from NSW.

Founder Allan Brahminy said his camps were tough and intense. But he stressed there was a therapeutic element to the programs. They included stays of up to a year, with 21-day wilderness hikes comprising five days' kayaking and more than 100 kilometres of walking.

Mr Brahminy is negotiating with NSW Police and others to open a residence west of Bourke.

As he spoke to Fairfax Media on Friday, a troubled youth was digging his fourth hole one metre deep and one metre wide.

''We're not a holiday camp,'' he said, adding that his wilderness camps had ''zero tolerance'' for poor behaviour.

In the ministerial submission, the ministers highlighted in bold their proposal for a Youth Start Boot Camp and explained that: ''Unemployed young people will participate in an army boot camp and pre-employment training.''

Other options mooted were community work experience for unemployed youth, first job programs for youth from disadvantaged backgrounds, and a combination of all of the measures including rigorous boot camps.

The submission complains about poor recognition for the existing program, which funds providers to deliver targeted assistance in the form of structured activities of up to 25 hours a week to build life, study and employment skills. It says there is ''scant data on delivery rate and outcomes''.

Boot camps were proposed as a better option.

''Youth unemployment is a growing problem that we need to address,'' the submission reads. ''There are opportunities to partner with business, particularly big business, and to end intergenerational unemployment for young people.''

with Julie Power



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/labor-mulls-boot-camp-for-young-job-seekers-20130727-2qr86.html#ixzz2aL1jA48S

So fuck Labour and fuck Liberal!

Let the boats come. No more murder!

I don't know how people arriving to Australia seeking asylum has become an election issue.

You know what's a better solution for all unemployment? Renationalising major assets to ensure adequate levels of service, stop cutting tafe and uni funding, and banning Australian companies from outsourcing.

So, back to the future huh?

You're stuck in the 1950s. Get with the program and don't ever accuse Abbott of taking Australia backwards.

:lol:

Yeah, going back to the 1950's is wanting our nation to be able to train and educate people, to ensure Australian companies employ Australian workers, that companies can't use double Irish style tax dodges to drain the nation of tax revenue while offshoring profits, or make obscene profits on vitally important areas that have been privatised for ideological reasons at the expense of the common citizens, and to prevent private companies from expecting Government bailouts when they crash and burn.

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WE GOTTA STOP DA BOATS THO

THPH for these debates we really need to agree on what levels of business there is....

I find it offensive as a business owner to be tarred and feathered as "business"....i don't make obscene margins, i don't have any double irish tax dodges while offshoring any profits,i employee Australian citizens, and i would also like to know which PRIVATE companies have been bailed out by the Government????

here is what the business sizing is from wikipedia

The table below serves as a useful guide to business size nomenclature.
Business Size definitions

AUS   US    EU
Minute/Micro   1-2   1-6   <10
Small    <15   <250   <50
Medium    <200   <500   <250
Large    <500   <1000   <1000
Enterprise   >500   >1000   >1000

funnily the ATO's definition of a small business is aggregated turnover of $2 million or less....

what do you do for a living Mac???

Obviously when discussing the Double Irish tax dodge and offshoring profits, I can only mean to be talking about companies who are actually doing it.

So you'd have nothing to worry about under a Mack Government. :lol:

Private companies being bailed out? You don't follow the news about the car industry? It is constantly given millions of dollars for overseas owned companies, so much money that it'd be more efficient for the Government to just let the companies collapse and pay the workers wages directly.

the car companies aren't private companies they are public companies listed on the stock exchange................

Are you sure about that? I couldn't find any stock exchange listing for Holden, Ford or Toyota.

Also when I say private I mean any non-Government company. It's a generalist term.

lukerobinho, that's an image I DIDN'T need to see...

i reckon it's 3 images i didn't want o see and repulse me....

First plane about to leave for PNG. What will Abbott say next? Like him or loathe him, Rudd has the pulse of the proletariate. If he flies boat people to PNG he would have his own Tampa.

Most boring Q&A I've seen.

Not sure about holden and ford......but a private company is one that is owned by an individual...such as myself.....and a public company is listed on the stock exchange and has shares for sale....

public companies where the directors are hell bent on delivering huge and ever increasing dividends to shareholders are usually the ones who fuck people over, like banks,insurance companies ETC......

in the current economic climate 90% of small to medium private companies are struggling big time........

the proletariate are pretty easily led by smoke and mirrors snake oil salesmen like KRUDD and the his 24 hour new cycle....it's all about watch me i'm kevin rudd, if i keep moving all over the place and changing the policy subject and topic, all you dumb arses won't be able to comprehend that i have nothing to offer......

anyway got to ZIP........:-& :-& :-& :-&

So you're saying the plane is a lie?

If "KRUDD" offers nothing in policies, what the hell do you use to describe Phony Abbots side of the tracks?

-PB

wonder what tomorrow will bring????? so does KRUDD...

Except batfink, you make the error of thinking that Abbott would/is any different.

LOL....!!!!!! PMSL...!!!!!!




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