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But today i was talking with some coaches today and one major problem we are having is getting the players to use skills (ie step overs) in a game. How are you going with that decentric?
Krones posted this in a different section. I thought it could warrant a thread by itself.
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Krones, I've been consulting with a few players about futsal, since I know little about it. Futsal is useful as a tool for developing players' dribbling and deception skills.
One player I know has played for the state in outdoor 11v11 and Vikings futsal. That player contends that futsal is great for gaining confidence on the ball. That player's outdoor game improved immeasurably from playing futsal, in terms of confidence on the ball.
A number of players and coaches claim that the worst habits in futsal, with outdoor implications, is receiving the ball with the heel, and, not developing passing and moving as much as in outdoor football.
So for your players trying to beat players one on one and using deception techniques, try 1v1s in training, do warm ups of about 15 minutes with a lot of ball carrying in a grid of about 20m x 20m having exercises dribbling through gates.
Hopefully, you can see Norm Boardman's SAP and Mentoring show as he takes it round Australia.
There is also a Chelsea shadowing exercise Lose The Defender in Dirk's Academy Sessions sticky. It can be extended by having the players working with each other, removing a line with one trying a lot of deception techniques moving forwards, whilst the other works on the jockeying and defensive positioning whilst moving backwards. This is great for fitness too.
One of our club coaches devised this. It was good because he blamed himself as a bad coach before coming to CFP for some training ideas. As Norm Boardman says, "Look at every coaching course/training session/workshop, as a learning opportunity." Our club coach's team was bottom of the lowest division when I met him. I learnt this from him. A year later and his rival coaches are starting to consider him a super coach! I suggested to NB, third in the FFA coaching hierarchy, that he find techniques to activate inactive players standing in lines. We can all learn from each other.
Also, in Chelsea Academy, look at the first exercise Dribbling And Running With The Ball which is dribbling around a lot of stationary, but different, apparatus. Have players touching the ball with specific evasion techniques whilst waiting in lines for their go in this same drill.
In addition try the Chelsea Academy drill Cores.
Furthermore, in Chelsea Academy do the ABC Finishing Drill. As well as using it as a shooting exercise, as soon as players retrieve the ball, have them dribble around the outside of the pitch back to the start for the shooting at goal. Have them perform Matthews Cuts (inside of the foot, inside of the foot, outside of the foot at 45 degrees, etc. Ask players to keep the head up , then when they gain confidence ask them to use the other foot too.
They can also dribble back using Brazilian rolls or drags.
Use a three three touch cycle, dribbling slowly and the ball close to the body, where every third touch they look down at the ball, then get the head up for the next two touches and repeat cycle.
They can also do sprinting - they take big touches trying to keep the head up all the time.
This is a fantastic fitness exercise too.
Do all this, plus add a few Brazilian Soccer Schools and Coerver evasion techniques and your players will become very confident on the ball. Confident in beating players too, unless they lack the acceleration and pace.
Edited by Decentric: 5/7/2012 05:33:55 PM
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One consideration about skills, such as stepovers, the standard Brazilian stepover, is that it is a more complex version of a body swerve, where more can go wrong.
The body swerve can achieve the same objective of beating a player.
Mind you it is good to have flashy techniques in one's kitbag to intimidate players.
The Skills Acquisition Program provides a lot of opportunities to develop ball carrying, turning and deception techniques, but doesn't provide explicit instruction. I know the tenet for SAP doing this, but ATM I don't agree with the rationale for that tenet.
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Also, keep looking at the dribbling compilation thread.
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[quote=Decentric]A number of players and coaches claim that the worst habits in futsal, with outdoor implications, is receiving the ball with the heel, ] Deco uses this and he aint a too bad a player.
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Decentric wrote:krones3
But today i was talking with some coaches today and one major problem we are having is getting the players to use skills (ie step overs) in a game. How are you going with that decentric?
Krones posted this in a different section. I thought it could warrant a thread by itself.
compare Messi vs Ronaldo and the different methods they use.
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Decentric wrote:A number of players and coaches claim that the worst habits in futsal, with outdoor implications, is receiving the ball with the heel, and, not developing passing and moving as much as in outdoor football. Actually I would say futsal is great for developing passing and moving. Watch a proper futsal game and it’s just constant rotation and movement. Though given the poor standard of Vikings futsal teams maybe that’s why the outdoor coaches have that impression. The Tasmania and QLD Vikings teams use to get smashed by the FFA state teams when they competed at the FFA nationals. I remember an Antonis led NSW team scoring 30 goals against a Tassie team one year.
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dirk vanadidas
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Decentric wrote:krones3
But today i was talking with some coaches today and one major problem we are having is getting the players to use skills (ie step overs) in a game. How are you going with that decentric?
Krones posted this in a different section. I thought it could warrant a thread by itself.
dribbling session part 1 HOW, fun warm up with all players with a ball, have to dribble from one end to the other past 1 defender, f he kicks your ball out you also become a defender until last player the winner becomes first defender in next game. part 2 WHEN, condition ssg with no forward passes part 3 WHERE, condtion ssg no passes allowed in the attacking third and goals count double for skilling an opponent.
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dirkvanadidas wrote: part 2 WHEN, condition ssg with no forward passes
part 3 WHERE, condtion ssg no passes allowed in the attacking third and goals count double for skilling an opponent.
Like these two variations, Dirk. I'll try them some time in the near future, although beating players and using tricks isn't so much of an issue. One problem I have with a lot of the refugee players is that they take too long on the ball. They haven't had training in a lot of quick one and two passing, like a lot of the Arsenal and Dutch/Ajax academy drills Academy Sessions in your sticky. As they do these type of exercises regularly and as they are accessing this type of training on a more frequent basis, this is improving. With our club players they need more work on ball control, but they have improved rapidly.
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the.football.God wrote:Decentric wrote:A number of players and coaches claim that the worst habits in futsal, with outdoor implications, is receiving the ball with the heel, and, not developing passing and moving as much as in outdoor football. Actually I would say futsal is great for developing passing and moving. Watch a proper futsal game and it’s just constant rotation and movement. Though given the poor standard of Vikings futsal teams maybe that’s why the outdoor coaches have that impression. The Tasmania and QLD Vikings teams use to get smashed by the FFA state teams when they competed at the FFA nationals. I remember an Antonis led NSW team scoring 30 goals against a Tassie team one year. The players I speak to have represented the state in Vikings, but represented the state in FFA outdoor too. Must admit I've seen little high standard futsal. The heel receiving technique you mention is more of a corollary to receiving and taking the ball away with the inside and outside of both feet. I have seen more heel receiving though in outdoor, but I'd assume players use it as an additional technique. In Vikings I was surprised when a Tassie female team beat a Victorian Metro team a few years ago. The standard may be low though, I regularly have two Aussie reps at CFP training sessions. If evaluated objectively they are not that good. Edited by Decentric: 7/7/2012 06:53:22 PM
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Thanks for all the info on teaching skills but the point is they have the skills but will not use them in a game situation. especially in rep football.
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krones3 wrote:Thanks for all the info on teaching skills but the point is they have the skills but will not use them in a game situation. especially in rep football.
Edited by krones3: 8/7/2012 05:07:57 PM have you tried looking at how skills are learnt and transferred into a game ? search" teaching games for understanding" 'game sense" http://www.ausport.gov.au/participating/coaches/videos/coaching_children/game_sense_-_part_2Edited by dirkvanadidas: 8/7/2012 06:25:41 PM
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Clearly having ball skills & feints are an important part of becoming a high standard player.
I believe that the reason we don't see enough skilful players in Australia is because of a combination of the local refereeing & our English football background ( culturally tall poppy syndrome )- basically that skilful players are not protected or given enough free kicks by the referees here. So skilful players learn here not to play in that way,( outdoor football ) because it isn't rewarded. All it leads to is being flattened by opponents & then yelled at by the coach, team mates or spectators. Futsal greatly increases a players ability to see situations & think quickly, to dribble around an opponent or pass around them & receive a one - two pass.
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Damo Baresi wrote:Clearly having ball skills & feints are an important part of becoming a high standard player.
I believe that the reason we don't see enough skilful players in Australia is because of a combination of the local refereeing & our English football background ( culturally tall poppy syndrome )- basically that skilful players are not protected or given enough free kicks by the referees here. So skilful players learn here not to play in that way,( outdoor football ) because it isn't rewarded. All it leads to is being flattened by opponents & then yelled at by the coach, team mates or spectators. Futsal greatly increases a players ability to see situations & think quickly, to dribble around an opponent or pass around them & receive a one - two pass.
I've been wanting to bring this point up for quite a while. My eldest plays in an a-league academy side in the the Football NSW SAP/SAL comp. They have a classic number 10 in their side that has silky skills and great vision - I've seen this kid play against my son since he was 5 and he has always been a class above everyone else on the field. We recently played the top team in the comp and I overheard one of the opposition parents say that they don't have anyone like him in their side. Now for some reason they are refereed by kids that only look one or two years older than them most of the time. He gets hacked all the time and young referees and a lot of older ones just flatly refuse to blow free kicks. He got flattened a few times on the weekend and ended up having to come off at half time and had his leg heavily strapped and he's only 11. The referee on the day looked younger than him. As you've mentioned above their are fine lines between beating a player or copping a mistimed tackle. If the referees don't punish the bad tackles then the defender really won't be in two minds and our number 10's will continually get smashed. Agree totally on the futsal stuff too. My son is the big fast kid but struggles under pressure a little bit. I hope a couple of off-seasons of futsal should help him along his way.
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neverwozza wrote:Damo Baresi wrote:Clearly having ball skills & feints are an important part of becoming a high standard player.
I believe that the reason we don't see enough skilful players in Australia is because of a combination of the local refereeing & our English football background ( culturally tall poppy syndrome )- basically that skilful players are not protected or given enough free kicks by the referees here. So skilful players learn here not to play in that way,( outdoor football ) because it isn't rewarded. All it leads to is being flattened by opponents & then yelled at by the coach, team mates or spectators. Futsal greatly increases a players ability to see situations & think quickly, to dribble around an opponent or pass around them & receive a one - two pass.
I've been wanting to bring this point up for quite a while. My eldest plays in an a-league academy side in the the Football NSW SAP/SAL comp. They have a classic number 10 in their side that has silky skills and great vision - I've seen this kid play against my son since he was 5 and he has always been a class above everyone else on the field. We recently played the top team in the comp and I overheard one of the opposition parents say that they don't have anyone like him in their side. Now for some reason they are refereed by kids that only look one or two years older than them most of the time. He gets hacked all the time and young referees and a lot of older ones just flatly refuse to blow free kicks. He got flattened a few times on the weekend and ended up having to come off at half time and had his leg heavily strapped and he's only 11. The referee on the day looked younger than him. As you've mentioned above their are fine lines between beating a player or copping a mistimed tackle. If the referees don't punish the bad tackles then the defender really won't be in two minds and our number 10's will continually get smashed. Agree totally on the futsal stuff too. My son is the big fast kid but struggles under pressure a little bit. I hope a couple of off-seasons of futsal should help him along his way.
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neverwozza wrote:Agree totally on the futsal stuff too. My son is the big fast kid but struggles under pressure a little bit. I hope a couple of off-seasons of futsal should help him along his way. Tell him to keep up the futsal, as much as he can. Still play in an outdoor team but under 20 y.o focus should be on futsal. The ball skills etc developed will undoubtedly fast track a player's outdoor football abilities. In futsal you get the ball far more often so you learn to feel comfortable on the ball & protect it, you get protected by the refs, you learn to react much sharper, read the play & see attacking moves unfold much more quickly. =d> Futebal de Salon, (indoor football) is the reason that South American players have awesome skills. This is where Brazil generate their Jogo Bonito from, players like Rubinho & Ronaldinho. Overall it makes you a superior attacking player,(even if you are a defender). \:d/
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