For me, it's all about my club.

A nice Anglo Saxon dominated Australian club.... Reaches the same conclusion !

http://www.sandringhamsoccerclub.org.au/home.aspx


To all Members
After undertaking exhaustive due diligence in relation to the National Premier Leagues Victoria (NPLV) – I would like to advise that Sandringham Soccer Club did not submit an expression of interest (EOI) due to the following reasons:
Financial model being unviable and the additional financial risk being borne by the club and its officeholders
Shifting of responsibilities by the FFV on to the clubs in underpinning the operation of the competition
Deviation of the FFV model from that prescribed by the FFA National Competition Review (NCR) recommendations
Poor implementation and consultation process of the FFV
No consideration of the impact on the Women’s game, in light of yet to be released NCR for women and girls
Lack of any forward marketing plan for the NPLV to attract sponsorship and funding to the clubs
Level of participation (40 weeks) and cost to juniors of $1,700 per annum (minimum) is excessive and unmanageable for a large numbers of a families.
The NPLV does not fit with our mission, which is…To strive to create a pathway that improves the skills and team play of all members via structured programs. These programs are designed to teach the technical and tactical aspects of soccer in a community-based environment, which promotes fun, friendship and respect through team sport participation.
From the outset the club has supported the National Competition Review as prescribed by the FFA and any improvements for the betterment of the game and continues to do so but we do not believe the FFV’s approach in this instance is the correct way to proceed.
If you would like any further clarification of our position please do not hesitate to ring me direct on 0410 579 418 or John Hurley on 0412 553 209
Yours sincerely
Simon Polinelli – President
To view the FFV NPLV model and supporting documents go to:
http://www.footballfedvic.com.au/index.php?id=nplv
Model Summary:
http://hosting4.sportingpulse.com/www.footballfedvic.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Competitions/NCR/NPLV_-_The_Model.pdf

"Polinelli"

Sounds effnic to me... prrof that the wogs are weeding their way into all aspects of football in order to initiate its downfall

:)) that's hilarious

And that's fair enough, i respect that and understand the loyalty people show towards their respective clubs, but personally i have never had a club to call my own, I have not grown up supporting anyone locally so for me the focus has always been the game and developing my players to be the best they can be. In a way that is in the best interests of the club i am employed by at any given time.

Its always about ethnicity with you isn't it?

It's not Troy who turns everything to ethnicity. He's responding directly to those who are trying to make this an issue with nasty ethnics trying to hold the game back.

OK. I see the difference. It is only OK to talk about ethnicity when defending your position on an issue. Got it! #-o

No - its about showing people that it's not just the ethnics that are the issue. Troy couldn't care less about ethnicity.

"A nice Anglo Saxon dominated Australian club.... Reaches the same conclusion!" - Troy - 1 day ago.

The emphasis on "Anglo Saxon" is clearly a dig at those who keep implying that it's only the old ethnic clubs going against the grain

Thought that was pretty clear

what amazes me is that the overwhelming majority of clubs have an ethnic background

they have carried the game for 50 years plus

so how exactly are they trying to hold the game back over the last 50 - 60 years????

with their infrastructure?
Their love for the game?
or their countless hours of volunteer?
or their countless sums of money?
or their organic development via their channels?
or their inclusive participation model?
or with their relationships with councils and rights to grounds that may otherwise be used for NRL/AFL?

Yet we have centralised and somewhat outside administrators that feel all the clubs should gladly hand over their keys, assets, identity and intellectual property because of a plan on a page developed by a group of individuals that feel they have the right to claim the legacy of these clubs based on exactly what????

Its not the NCR as the vic model is simply not alligned
so what exactly has the FFV based their model on - an unsuccessful under achieving summer league program which by design and intent was meant to come over the top of the NPL since day 1 hense the name "Champions League"

Happy for the FFV to go ahead with their model

But......

Get your own teams
get your own grounds
Build your own identity
Build your own relationship with councils
develop you strategy via your own channels
and call it NPL if you Dare

Leave the clubs alone and stop trying to land grab their propoerties - clubs were never a true consideration for your model - only their assets

FUCK OFF FFV - you guys are peasants

My only question is where exactly does the FFA sit with all this??

Is it their strategy to systematically isolate the main states in turn every 2-3 years in time for a trademarked 2nd tier by 2022 hence excluding all association clubs nationally?

Sooner or later the FFA will need to make their position clear - their silence is deafening and the football community underneath the HAL in Australia will shortly treat their silence with content and anti club culture



Edited by chris: 23/8/2013 05:05:01 PM

Edited by chris: 23/8/2013 06:32:40 PM

That's how I took it.

Obviously.....that's the point.

50 clubs are concerned enough to get galvanised and active ......against an inept process and an inexperienced FFV Board that has not thought things through. All these clubs are run by volunteers. They have had to take on more 'Work' for the good of the game. Scores of other clubs support what they are doing but have preferred to stay quiet.

The 50 represent the biggest clubs
The 50 represent the smallest clubs
The 50 represent every thing in between
The 50 cover all demographics
The 50 cover every nationality that has ever migrated to this great land (Anglo Saxon, Asian, European, Middle Eastern etc etc etc)
Together I predict they will sculpture a NPLV model acceptable enthusiastically by both COMMUNITY & NPL Clubs.

Other states have done it easily

Only the inept & inexperienced FFV Board & Management could have failed in transitioning our once great football state effectively.

Again…It's been done simply interstate ...... The models are there

The clubs will not deal with the FFV... they have damaged their reputation beyond repair

All they had to do was 'consult'
They stubbornly refused

They are meant to be there to service the clubs.
Unfortunately they have forgotten that.

Super Fan there are over 320 clubs in Victoria. What gives these 50 clubs the right to decide for the other 270 clubs. Of those 50 clubs, more than half didn't apply for the NPL. It's an invite only NPL "workshop" which as you put it in your 53rd or was it your 55th media release, will be a historic day for Victorian football. So much for the views of the other majority.

You are the pied piper of Victorian football who has in your own words, "galvanized" 15.62% of clubs in Victoria to blindly follow your merry tune. Pity those clubs for being blinded by your rhetoric.

Angelica75 - the remaining 270 which either didn't apply for the NPLV, or didn't have any objections to the NPLV process, will continue along the same path tomorrow that they were following yesterday. They will notice no negative effects from this action.

Wrong.
Out of the 320 clubs in Victoria
15 applied
2 Metropolitan clubs applied for the NPL (current model)
6 Country clubs applied for the NPL (current model)

What's your percentage then ??
The other 7 are new consortiums, that do not exist !!

So.....the 50 clubs, which make up the biggest clubs and all others of various sizes, have said......hell no.....What right does the federation have to circumvent the basic principles of football......The 50 clubs will design it according to interstate models. Period

Just noticed its your first Post Angelica, no chance you work for our friends at the FFV ?

One last thing Angelica,

the AFL....300 clubs play Aussie Rules in Vic, if the 18 biggest clubs (Collingwood, Richmond, Carlton etc) do not agree on something tabled by their administrators, do you really think they would be ignored.....NO....they are the game....not the administrators

We have the same situation in the Victorian Premier League and State 1 ....the biggest clubs (20)..... AND..... 30 other clubs of all sizes and demographics.....support a common position.....against admin personnel implementing an aberrant model that exists no where on the planet!!.......a model that goes against CORE PRINCIPLES of football......
and the admin people have the gumption to ignore the very clubs expected to carry........ 100% of the financial risk ......just to add insult to injury.



Edited by troy5: 26/8/2013 06:35:26 AM

Reading both posts, it would appear you're the one who is wrong in this instance, 50 out of 320 does not a majority make.

Edited by Joffa: 26/8/2013 07:28:01 AM

Would be pretty certain those othe 200 clubs would be very basic clubs. The 50 clubs that pulled out are among the states finest and they include ALL the VPL Clubs and state1 clubs. Not really interested of Whoop Whoop FC has say about thins if they were only established 10 years ago and haven't done anything.

It may also depend on several factors;

i) who has the most members, players, coaches and volunteers
ii)some of those clubs are doubled up ie; divided into mens, womens and juniors
iii) I would suggest a lot of those clubs really either have no interest in the NPLV, have no time to be concerened about the NPLV or just plain indifferent
iv) you (Joffa) are making the assumption that as they have not come out and expressed a position of being "For" the position of the 50 clubs, then they are "Against" the proposition. And that is wrong.
v) while the "50" group beleive that as no club or individuals has taken an organised opposing view against them that they are representative of the whole club community.

Around the grounds on the weekend (Junior games) talking to four Club Presidents of lower league clubs with large junior bases, they are not happy with aspects of the NPLV proposals.
i) the issue of "Leap Frogging" surprisingly enough caught me by surprise. Promotion and Relegation is seen as the "genuine" arbitrator of what level of competition you should be in.
ii) NPLV is seen as a competitior for scarse resources from access to council facilities and funding improvements.
iii) interesting that these clubs felt that they were doing a good job with player development, they felt that the Talented ID process is wrong and that a number of scouts should be hired to identify and observe young players in their own enviroments

Edited by Arthur: 26/8/2013 09:05:13 AM

Yet The FFV, are allegedly wrong to hold a similar view?

Few of the 50 clubs submitted a bid, therefore it stands to reason if the clubs were supporting you then they would've publicised there support...wouldn't it?

So really they're advocating the status quo, I'm shocked, aren't you?

You lost me!

Few???? of the 50???

Also don't confuse the word "you" with me Joffa, as I am heading up a bid, just to make it more confusing for you.:d

Good luck with your bid

Actually no I am not.

The FIFA statutes state that promotion relegation is the preferred method of assesing a clubs "level". Based of course on acceptable criteria for the level they acheive.

Actually you would be shocked if you knew the clubs and people I spoke to and the reasons why? Suffice to say its not I question I can really answer until September 30.

But just to say without wanting to be offensive towards you, but you really are distant to the issues on the ground which I have listed without making a "personal" slant on it.

Actually I can add a lot more but not appropraite at this time.

Cheers

I'm not offended at all, I am happy to be distant on 'the issues'