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trident wrote:mcjules wrote:For those that "don't really care" about the flag or the republic, if they came to a referendum (where you'd obviously be obliged to vote in) would you vote for change?
I'm curious as I definitely sense those that say "don't care" about same-sex marriage being recognised are actually against it but don't want to say so.
Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 01:37:58 PM Yes, there's certainly a sense of pining for the monarchy and the "good old days" of the 1950s with this group of non-progressives. On a positive note however its heartening to see they realise their anti-social stance by being too ashamed to publicly state it, and rather hide under the "dont care" rug. The first step toward changing social norms is to make the citizens realise their values are no longer socially acceptable to communicate to others. This does prevent the spread of such outdated and toxic attitudes. No need to twist my words ricey. The people opposed to the republic or flag are not necessarily "anti-social". The gay marriage debate is another matter.
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chillbilly wrote:pv4 wrote:Mrs and I were talking about Straya becoming a Republic today. Then it obviously turned to what the flag would be if we were to become a Republic. One idea neither of us have seen yet that seemed basic enough is the below. Thoughts?  I get what is trying to be done but how do you explain its meaning? (Red) Australian earth is red. (Black)Not all Australia's people are Aboriginal or black. The sun isn't half green. I dont mind red or yellow from the aboriginal flag, but black, no thanks. melbourne_terrace wrote:]Would back any flag that doesn't have that filthy butchers apron For someone always mentioning racism you sure do have a chip on your shoulder about the British.
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trident
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Iridium1010 wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:]Would back any flag that doesn't have that filthy butchers apron For someone always mentioning racism you sure do have a chip on your shoulder about the British. He has a chip on his shoulder about most things :)
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trident wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:]Would back any flag that doesn't have that filthy butchers apron For someone always mentioning racism you sure do have a chip on your shoulder about the British. He has a chip on his shoulder about most things :) True that
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trident wrote:mcjules wrote:For those that "don't really care" about the flag or the republic, if they came to a referendum (where you'd obviously be obliged to vote in) would you vote for change?
I'm curious as I definitely sense those that say "don't care" about same-sex marriage being recognised are actually against it but don't want to say so.
Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 01:37:58 PM Yes, there's certainly a sense of pining for the monarchy and the "good old days" of the 1950s with this group of non-progressives. On a positive note however its heartening to see they realise their anti-social stance by being too ashamed to publicly state it, and rather hide under the "dont care" rug. The first step toward changing social norms is to make the citizens realise their values are no longer socially acceptable to communicate to others. This does prevent the spread of such outdated and toxic attitudes. Edited by trident: 27/1/2016 02:16:07 PM Sometimes I wonder if what this country would be like if guys like you two were in charge. I get the feeling there would be a few political prisons out in the desert to say the least.
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sydneyfc1987 wrote:trident wrote:mcjules wrote:For those that "don't really care" about the flag or the republic, if they came to a referendum (where you'd obviously be obliged to vote in) would you vote for change?
I'm curious as I definitely sense those that say "don't care" about same-sex marriage being recognised are actually against it but don't want to say so.
Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 01:37:58 PM Yes, there's certainly a sense of pining for the monarchy and the "good old days" of the 1950s with this group of non-progressives. On a positive note however its heartening to see they realise their anti-social stance by being too ashamed to publicly state it, and rather hide under the "dont care" rug. The first step toward changing social norms is to make the citizens realise their values are no longer socially acceptable to communicate to others. This does prevent the spread of such outdated and toxic attitudes. Edited by trident: 27/1/2016 02:16:07 PM Sometimes I wonder if what this country would be like if guys like you two were in charge. I get the feeling there would be a few political prisons out in the desert to say the least. Not sure where you get that impression from.
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sydneyfc1987 wrote:trident wrote:mcjules wrote:For those that "don't really care" about the flag or the republic, if they came to a referendum (where you'd obviously be obliged to vote in) would you vote for change?
I'm curious as I definitely sense those that say "don't care" about same-sex marriage being recognised are actually against it but don't want to say so.
Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 01:37:58 PM Yes, there's certainly a sense of pining for the monarchy and the "good old days" of the 1950s with this group of non-progressives. On a positive note however its heartening to see they realise their anti-social stance by being too ashamed to publicly state it, and rather hide under the "dont care" rug. The first step toward changing social norms is to make the citizens realise their values are no longer socially acceptable to communicate to others. This does prevent the spread of such outdated and toxic attitudes. Edited by trident: 27/1/2016 02:16:07 PM Sometimes I wonder if what this country would be like if guys like you two were in charge. I get the feeling there would be a few political prisons out in the desert to say the least. :)
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Southern Horizon flag looks noice tbh
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I think there is a misconception about what a change to a republic actually means.
It can be done with no meaningful change other than removing the formality of the Queen appointing the G-G on the advice of the PM. That is the minimalist change.
You could go maximalist with a directly elected president, but that is not necessary. With the Australia Act in 1986 we became, for all practical intents and purposes a republic in practice. We just need to go that step further and formalise it.
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paladisious wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Let indigenous people only decide on the flag design 0/10 I am guessing you take this to mean I'm not serious. It would be a simple way to allow our indigenous people to have ownership, on at least one issue
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:paladisious wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Let indigenous people only decide on the flag design 0/10 I am guessing you take this to mean I'm not serious. It would be a simple way to allow our indigenous people to have ownership, on at least one issue But its not their country to own?
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And out of the woodwork comes an actually vexiologically sound design that I somewhat like:  The Unity Flag. You can check out it's website for more info on it. Adding another point to the Commonwealth Star sounds rather pointless to me, though. (Pun intended) Maybe the Southern Cross there instead? Edited by paladisious: 27/1/2016 07:57:19 PM
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Actually scratch all that, the stars on the Eureka Flag are eight pointers, so this one is a go.
I wonder though what green would look like in place of the white on the right side?
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paladisious wrote:And out of the woodwork comes an actually vexiologically sound design that I somewhat like:  The Unity Flag. You can check out it's website for more info on it. Adding another point to the Commonwealth Star sounds rather pointless to me, though. (Pun intended) Maybe the Southern Cross there instead? Edited by paladisious: 27/1/2016 07:57:19 PM I genuinely like it
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RedshirtWilly wrote:mcjules wrote:For those that "don't really care" about the flag or the republic, if they came to a referendum (where you'd obviously be obliged to vote in) would you vote for change?
I'm curious as I definitely sense those that say "don't care" about same-sex marriage being recognised are actually against it but don't want to say so.
Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 01:37:58 PM I'm not for or against as, admittedly being selfish here, there's nothing for me to really gain out of voting for both sides. Would be interesting to see if there's any scientific or economic data on a Republic being better off after than before. If there is then it's my ignorance and I just haven't read it yet. Gay Marriage is a bit different. Will probably vote yes due to the evidence provided and such but if it's a no vote i'll still wake up and get a coffee in the morning. There are plenty of good, principled reasons for a republic and gay marriage - but purely economically, a yes vote for either would certainly be a good thing (if only marginally). It may seem like a long bow to be drawing, but gay marriage would mean consequent celebrations as well as more weddings, and all the spending and economic activity that goes with that. The updating of all sorts of relevant info as well as the usual surge of patriotism that would result from a transition to a republic would have a similar effect. In the 90s Keating also made the argument that becoming a republic would improve our relationships with Asia (and thus our economic ties), since many of those nations and their leaders still associate Australia with Britain and colonialism. That's obviously pretty speculative and is more difficult to prove, but it does make intuitive sense.
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Change the white to green, and you've sunk my battleship.
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T-UNIT wrote:Change the white to green, and you've sunk my battleship. I didn't like the white initially either but it's grown on me. Another one I like that I can't see posted here:  or in blue http://www.goldenwattleflag.com/Edited by mcjules: 28/1/2016 12:13:32 AM
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Green and gold are absolutely terrible colours for flags.
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433 wrote:Green and gold are absolutely terrible colours for flags.
I agree. Leave that for our sports teams.
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mcjules wrote:T-UNIT wrote:Change the white to green, and you've sunk my battleship. I didn't like the white initially either but it's grown on me. Another one I like that I can't see posted here:  or in blue http://www.goldenwattleflag.com/ I can see why you'd like those designs
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"9GABmeme420" wrote:433 wrote:Green and gold are absolutely terrible colours for flags.
I agree. Leave that for our sports teams. The green and gold actually doesn't look terrible in the golden wattle flag but I prefer the blue version.
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The flag doesn't look all that bad if you simply remove the union jack. I prefer that to all proposed new designs.
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"Unity flag" looks like shit looks like a logo for some courier or logistics company
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Agree with trident on the Unity Flag, looks too corporate-logo-ish for my liking (though not as much as the infamous Provo Flag :lol:)
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Apologies for the blow out in page size. I fixed mine but I can't fix the one that ricey quoted...
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It's just not your day is it Mr Google
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The qualm I have about changing the flag is we'll get some aboriginal bullshit with awful colour.
Eureka flag when?
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Big fan of the green&gold wattle flag.
Someone pls do a mockup of the Unity Flag with green instead of the white.
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Flags though, how great are flags.
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