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AzzaMarch wrote:marconi101 wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-maintains-lead-over-sanders-heading-primaries-n490131 http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-new-hampshire-presidential-democratic-primaryIt seems unfortunately that the wannabee reptilian, conveniently left wing Clinton will pip Sanders for the nomination - a fucking travesty IMO. She is the epitome of establishment politics and very expedient in her policies. If she wins the nomination she will lose against Trump - the vitriol against her and I think her inevitable weakness in a 'debate' with Trump will lead to a GOP victory Trump won't get the republican nomination, let alone beat Hillary. He has a sizeable core support. But he can't grow it - he is hated by those that don't like him. He is far too polarizing. Clinton has been able to stay relatively centrist. She will walk it in. Correct. Trump is unelectable. Funny people still taking him seriously. :)
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trident wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:marconi101 wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-maintains-lead-over-sanders-heading-primaries-n490131 http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-new-hampshire-presidential-democratic-primaryIt seems unfortunately that the wannabee reptilian, conveniently left wing Clinton will pip Sanders for the nomination - a fucking travesty IMO. She is the epitome of establishment politics and very expedient in her policies. If she wins the nomination she will lose against Trump - the vitriol against her and I think her inevitable weakness in a 'debate' with Trump will lead to a GOP victory Trump won't get the republican nomination, let alone beat Hillary. He has a sizeable core support. But he can't grow it - he is hated by those that don't like him. He is far too polarizing. Clinton has been able to stay relatively centrist. She will walk it in. Correct. Trump is unelectable. Funny people still taking him seriously. :) THIS! Also be a shame that Hilary would make it. She tries her best to be neutral and appealing. Bernie Sanders would be a great choice.
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Bernie Sanders would be the President the world needs, Hillary will the President the World gets....the Republicans aren't getting elected until they put the Tea Party and other extreme right nut jobs back in the cellar.
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Trump will win the republican nomination, he's neither an evangelical Jebus type (Carson, Cruz) nor an establishment neo-con (Jeb, Rubio). Regardless, Trump will destroy Hillary when he brings her skeletons out of the closet. Sanders hasn't provided anything except "muh one puhcent" and "muh billyunuh class". All rhetoric and no actual solid policy. AzzaMarch wrote:...when Trump eventually crashes and burns. People have literally been saying this for half a year, yet his numbers have only climbed.
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Trump will be president.
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Well this thread will be entertaining when Trump loses Iowa.
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Trump got trolled LOL
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JP wrote:Well this thread will be entertaining when Trump loses Iowa. He probably will, considering Cruz has put all his eggs in that retarded evangelical Jebus basket. However, the last few elections have shown that Iowa doesn't pick the republican nominee - Santorum and Huckabee won it the last few times yet we had McCain and Romney nominations.
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433 wrote:However, the last few elections have shown that Iowa doesn't pick the republican nominee - Santorum and Huckabee won it the last few times yet we had McCain and Romney nominations. :lol: What? 2016 is either: A) an extraordinary election cycle where conventional wisdom doesn't apply and a candidate like Donald Trump winning the nomination is a realistic possibility. B) another ordinary year where what happened in "the last few elections" is a reliable predictor of what will happen in this one. Which is it?
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JP wrote:433 wrote:However, the last few elections have shown that Iowa doesn't pick the republican nominee - Santorum and Huckabee won it the last few times yet we had McCain and Romney nominations. :lol: What? 2016 is either: A) an extraordinary election cycle where conventional wisdom doesn't apply and a candidate like Donald Trump winning the nomination is a realistic possibility. B) another ordinary year where what happened in "the last few elections" is a reliable predictor of what will happen in this one. Which is it? The right wingers are confused as per usual.
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JP wrote:433 wrote:However, the last few elections have shown that Iowa doesn't pick the republican nominee - Santorum and Huckabee won it the last few times yet we had McCain and Romney nominations. :lol: What? 2016 is either: A) an extraordinary election cycle where conventional wisdom doesn't apply and a candidate like Donald Trump winning the nomination is a realistic possibility. I didn't say that? Quote:B) another ordinary year where what happened in "the last few elections" is a reliable predictor of what will happen in this one.
Which is it? I'm simply stating that winning Iowa doesn't mean that the candidate will win the nomination. Not all rules are thrown out the window - California will still be blue and Texas will still be red regardless of this "extraordinary" cycle.
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If you honestly reckon Trump will win then it doesn't make much sense to be relying on conventional wisdom to predict other aspects of the election.
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JP wrote:If you honestly reckon Trump will win then it doesn't make much sense to be relying on conventional wisdom to predict other aspects of the election. Why not? It doesn't take a Nostradamus to know that California will be democrat and texas will be republican.
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JP wrote:If you honestly reckon Trump will win then it doesn't make much sense to be relying on conventional wisdom to predict other aspects of the election. They're living in a dreamworld. Trumps wants to go all Hitler on Muslims and bomb half the planet back to the stone age to make America great again :lol: Obviously I'd prefer Sanders as a peace candidate but even Hillary Clinton will be more restrained than those crazy republicans. Obama has done a great job with universal health care and gun control, and I see no reason why a Democrat wont be elected again in 2016. The US public wont want to see all that work rolled back to the 1950's.
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Trump absolutely has a chance to win the nomination. From there its between 2 candidates, anything can happen.
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tbitm wrote:Trump absolutely has a chance to win the nomination. From there its between 2 candidates, anything can happen. you have to remember it doesn't come down to a straight vote or the way we do it but via the Electoral College. There is no way Trump wins enough electoral college votes out of these states to win the election 12 Washington 14 New Jersey 20 Illinois 29 Florida 29 New York 55 California sure he may get the South and the Mid West but they're small potato's Quote:Current electoral vote distribution The following table shows the number of electoral votes (EV) to which each state and the District of Columbia will be entitled during the 2012, 2016 and 2020 presidential elections:[45] The numbers in parentheses represent the number of electoral votes that a state gained (+) or lost (-) because of reapportionment following the 2010 Census.[46] EV × States States* 3 × 8 = 24 Alaska, Delaware, District of Columbia*, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming 4 × 5 = 20 Hawaii, Idaho, Maine**, New Hampshire, Rhode Island 5 × 3 = 15 Nebraska**, New Mexico, West Virginia 6 × 6 = 36 Arkansas, Iowa(−1), Kansas, Mississippi, Nevada(+1), Utah(+1) 7 × 3 = 21 Connecticut, Oklahoma, Oregon 8 × 2 = 16 Kentucky, Louisiana(−1) 9 × 3 = 27 Alabama, Colorado, South Carolina(+1) 10 × 4 = 40 Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri(−1), Wisconsin 11 × 4 = 44 Arizona(+1), Indiana, Massachusetts(−1), Tennessee 12 × 1 = 12 Washington(+1) 13 × 1 = 13 Virginia 14 × 1 = 14 New Jersey(−1) 15 × 1 = 15 North Carolina 16 × 2 = 32 Georgia(+1), Michigan(−1) 18 × 1 = 18 Ohio(−2) 20 × 2 = 40 Illinois(−1), Pennsylvania(−1) 29 × 2 = 58 Florida(+2), New York(−2) 38 × 1 = 38 Texas(+4) 55 × 1 = 55 California = 538 Total electors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States) Edited by Joffa: 9/1/2016 11:41:57 PM
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433 wrote:JP wrote:If you honestly reckon Trump will win then it doesn't make much sense to be relying on conventional wisdom to predict other aspects of the election. Why not? It doesn't take a Nostradamus to know that California will be democrat and texas will be republican. And I can tell you now that you haven't got a clue if you think Trump has a chance of being President. Hell, if he somehow wins the nomination maybe even Texas will go Democratic. The only way to even entertain the possibility of Trump winning is to reject all kinds of conventional wisdom about US Presidential politics. Everything from past elections suggests that Trump won't win, so it simply does not make sense to claim that President Trump is a possibility and at the same time default to conventional lines about Iowa's relative importance. It really isn't that difficult.
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JP wrote:433 wrote:JP wrote:If you honestly reckon Trump will win then it doesn't make much sense to be relying on conventional wisdom to predict other aspects of the election. Why not? It doesn't take a Nostradamus to know that California will be democrat and texas will be republican. And I can tell you now that you haven't got a clue if you think Trump has a chance of being President. Hell, if he somehow wins the nomination maybe even Texas will go Democratic. The only way to even entertain the possibility of Trump winning is to reject all kinds of conventional wisdom about US Presidential politics. Everything from past elections suggests that Trump won't win, so it simply does not make sense to claim that President Trump is a possibility and at the same time default to conventional lines about Iowa's relative importance. It really isn't that difficult. National polls are a bit deceptive at this stage. Hillary led Obama in national democratic polls in early 2008 even as Obama was racking up wins. Only when people realised that Obama could actually win did things shift. I think the first couple of republican primaries will be key to sorting out realistic candidates from the dead wood. When the race gets down to fewer candidates it will be easier to judge whether Trump will be the candidate. The non-Trump voters are spread between several candidates.
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Joffa wrote:tbitm wrote:Trump absolutely has a chance to win the nomination. From there its between 2 candidates, anything can happen. you have to remember it doesn't come down to a straight vote or the way we do it but via the Electoral College. There is no way Trump wins enough electoral college votes out of these states to win the election 12 Washington 14 New Jersey 20 Illinois 29 Florida 29 New York 55 California sure he may get the South and the Mid West but they're small potato's There's no way in hell ANY republican will get New York or California, so its stupid to point to it and say "Trump can't get this" because no Republican can. IIRC the last time California went red was with Reagan, and even then he won pretty much the entire country. If Trump won Cali it would be like if the Libs won Melbourne here. The rest are attainable imo, some more than others (especially Florida). JP wrote:And I can tell you now that you haven't got a clue if you think Trump has a chance of being President. Hell, if he somehow wins the nomination maybe even Texas will go Democratic. Confirmed for literally and utterly retarded. Edited by 433: 10/1/2016 01:52:25 AM
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Quote:A Muslim woman was kicked out of a Donald Trump presidential campaign rally after staging a silent protest against the Republican frontrunner, who has called for a ban on Muslims entering the US. Television footage from the event in South Carolina shows the woman, named as Rose Hamid, a 56-year-old flight attendant, wearing a head scarf and shirt reading "Salam. I come in peace." She stood in silence looking at the podium as the rest of the crowd sat. Later, she was escorted out as Mr Trump supporters waved placards bearing his name in her face and chanted for him. Ms Hamid said one supporter of the billionaire real-estate mogul bawled at her: "You have a bomb, you have a bomb." "The ugliness really came out fast and that's really scary," Ms Hamid told CNN after Friday night's rally..... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-10/muslim-woman-ejected-from-trump-rally-after-silent-protest/7078932 The further to the right, the greater the ugliness. As night follows day. It's due to low effort thinking.
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Geez that's pretty bad. -PB
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:The further to the right, the greater the ugliness. As night follows day.
It's due to low effort thinking. That's so true. This 'ugliness' you speak of has never occurred under a leftist regime.
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433 wrote:
Confirmed for literally and utterly retarded.
...says the Donald Trump supporter.
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JP wrote:433 wrote:
Confirmed for literally and utterly retarded.
...says the Donald Trump supporter. Id vote for him, when it comes down to Clinton or him
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scott21 wrote:JP wrote:433 wrote:
Confirmed for literally and utterly retarded.
...says the Donald Trump supporter. Id vote for him, when it comes down to Clinton or him :shock: Clinton is a better option than anyone from the delusional rabble in the GOP. Edited by JP: 10/1/2016 10:11:42 AM
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Disgraceful by the Trump campaign though. Showing their true racist colours. Expelling Muslims from their event is tantamount to apartheid or Hitler excluding Jews from his massive rallies during the 1930s. He's unelectable and this should confirm that if it hasnt been already to the naive people caught up in Trumpmania. Edited by trident: 10/1/2016 01:14:12 PM
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trident wrote:
Obama has done a great job with universal health care and gun control, and I see no reason why a Democrat wont be elected again in 2016. The US public wont want to see all that work rolled back to the 1950's.
what fucking planet do u live in you delusion left wing nutjob? re: gun control, under his presidency, gun purchases has gone through the roof:lol:
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Sanders is polling better than Obama did in comparison to '08, unfortunately so is Hillary. What is shitting as much as the insane rhetoric from the GOP is the female card being played by the Clinton camp and its supporters, ie "It's time for a woman POTUS". Whoever makes the most sense with the best policies should win, not the one who just happens to have a pussy
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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