Terrorist attack in Paris


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paladisious wrote:
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I take offense that you take offense to my athiest views. Now what?

I go out and commit mass murder in the name of logic and rationale? Oh, please.... save your religious nonsense for the afterlife.



That would be the difference. You assume that everyone has had the same upbringing and educational opportunities that perhaps you have. But maybe think that someone who has none of that, coming from a country where they are bombed and oppressed, and being told by some extremist nutter that he can get his own back. He now has a cause to which he belongs and work towards. Not the right cause, but he has one.

Its the same in South Africa. People ask why crime is rampant, a lot has to do with the lack of education to the masses after independence. Crime gets them out.

most of those loonies are western born and bred and educated.

And Bin Laden was the son of a billionaire, poor guy.

and his family have been friends with the bush family for decades as well . Poor uneducated man .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
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zimbos_05 wrote:
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I take offense that you take offense to my athiest views. Now what?

I go out and commit mass murder in the name of logic and rationale? Oh, please.... save your religious nonsense for the afterlife.



That would be the difference. You assume that everyone has had the same upbringing and educational opportunities that perhaps you have. But maybe think that someone who has none of that, coming from a country where they are bombed and oppressed, and being told by some extremist nutter that he can get his own back. He now has a cause to which he belongs and work towards. Not the right cause, but he has one.

Its the same in South Africa. People ask why crime is rampant, a lot has to do with the lack of education to the masses after independence. Crime gets them out.

most of those loonies are western born and bred and educated.

And Bin Laden was the son of a billionaire, poor guy.

and his family have been friends with the bush family for decades as well . Poor uneducated man .

Well, George Bush was an uneducated man. :lol:
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See guys, the poor terrorists are really the victims in all of this!
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paladisious wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:
Double Edged Sword wrote:


I take offense that you take offense to my athiest views. Now what?

I go out and commit mass murder in the name of logic and rationale? Oh, please.... save your religious nonsense for the afterlife.



That would be the difference. You assume that everyone has had the same upbringing and educational opportunities that perhaps you have. But maybe think that someone who has none of that, coming from a country where they are bombed and oppressed, and being told by some extremist nutter that he can get his own back. He now has a cause to which he belongs and work towards. Not the right cause, but he has one.

Its the same in South Africa. People ask why crime is rampant, a lot has to do with the lack of education to the masses after independence. Crime gets them out.

most of those loonies are western born and bred and educated.

And Bin Laden was the son of a billionaire, poor guy.

and his family have been friends with the bush family for decades as well . Poor uneducated man .

Well, George Bush was an uneducated man. :lol:

fool me once shame on ..... shame on you . Fool me ... you can't get fooled again :lol:

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 10/1/2015 12:29:44 AM
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According to BBC live coverage there is believed to be at least two dead in the hostage crisis in the Jewish supermarket in Paris, which includes children as hostages, and the hostage taker is demanding the end of the siege by police/special forces of the massacre terrorists in the village north-east of Paris, who also have a hostage. They stress that it is very hard to confirm details at this time.

Edited by paladisious: 10/1/2015 12:30:05 AM
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zimbos_05 wrote:



That would be the difference. You assume that everyone has had the same upbringing and educational opportunities that perhaps you have.

lel

from memory these guys grew up in France and the chechens during the Boston Bombings were educated in the USA, one was a Med Student i think.
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paladisious wrote:
According to BBC live coverage there is believed to be at least two dead in the hostage crisis in the Jewish supermarket in Paris, which includes children as hostages, and the hostage taker is demanding the end of the siege by police/special forces of the massacre terrorists in the village north-east of Paris, who also have a hostage. They stress that it is very hard to confirm details at this time.

Edited by paladisious: 10/1/2015 12:30:05 AM

what the hell is going on in europe these days?? What have these western born and bred men and women become so warped ? They cant blame western society as they're westeners themselves

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 10/1/2015 12:32:38 AM
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paladisious wrote:
According to BBC live coverage there is believed to be at least two dead in the hostage crisis in the Jewish supermarket in Paris, and the hostage taker is demanding the end of the siege by police/special forces of the massacre terrorists in the village north-east of Paris, who also have a hostage. They stress that it is very hard to confirm details at this time.

france was a melting pot last time i was there. Not surprised shit has hit the fan.

Supporting ISIS in Syria, and Lybia great move =d> =d>

Le Pen going to win the election for sure now, France will leave the Euro under them and funnily enough will have closer ties with Russia.


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JonoMV wrote:
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That would be the difference. You assume that everyone has had the same upbringing and educational opportunities that perhaps you have.

lel

from memory these guys grew up in France and the chechens during the Boston Bombings were educated in the USA, one was a Med Student i think.


The Boston bombing brothers families were granted assylum by the US and some of them went on to get full citizenship. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was enrolled in the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, with a major in marine biology, he got a $2,500 scholarship from his local council to go, while his brother Tamerlan was in a community college studying accounting until he dropped out.

The London underground bombers were all born in the UK, except for one who was born in Jamaica and moved to England aged five, where he actually converted to Islam.

One of the 2004 Madrid metro bombings who detailed information is available for, Jamal Zougam, was a Moroccan and had lived legally without prosecution in Spain for years, and was so persecuted he had to resort to owning a mobile phone shop.

15 of the 19 September 11 highjackers (under the authority of the billionaire's son Osama) were from Saudi Arabia, 9th in the world for GDP per capita by World bank figures, and hasn't to my knowledge ever been bombed by the west.

Those poor bastards, no wonder murdering fellow humans was their only solution.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
According to BBC live coverage there is believed to be at least two dead in the hostage crisis in the Jewish supermarket in Paris, which includes children as hostages, and the hostage taker is demanding the end of the siege by police/special forces of the massacre terrorists in the village north-east of Paris, who also have a hostage. They stress that it is very hard to confirm details at this time.

Edited by paladisious: 10/1/2015 12:30:05 AM

what the hell is going on in europe these days?? What have these western born and bred men and women become so warped ? They cant blame western society as they're westeners themselves

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 10/1/2015 12:32:38 AM

Some have a chip on their because they live in crime ghettos and see so many others with so much. They are discriminated against because even though they are born in a country they can't speak the language properly. They view themselves as outsiders. When in fact they have to face reality and not expect the red carpet to be rolled out for them upon arrival. Its not usually the first generation its the ones there after.
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paladisious wrote:
JonoMV wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:



That would be the difference. You assume that everyone has had the same upbringing and educational opportunities that perhaps you have.

lel

from memory these guys grew up in France and the chechens during the Boston Bombings were educated in the USA, one was a Med Student i think.


The Boston bombing brothers families were granted assylum by the US and some of them went on to get full citizenship. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was enrolled in the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, with a major in marine biology, he got a $2,500 scholarship from his local council to go, while his brother Tamerlan was in a community college studying accounting until he dropped out.

The London underground bombers were all born in the UK, except for one who was born in Jamaica and moved to England aged five, where he actually converted to Islam.

One of the 2004 Madrid metro bombings who detailed information is available for, Jamal Zougam, was a Moroccan and had lived legally without prosecution in Spain for years, and was so persecuted he had to resort to owning a mobile phone shop.

15 of the 19 September 11 highjackers (under the authority of the billionaire's son Osama) were from Saudi Arabia, 9th in the world for GDP per capita by World bank figures, and hasn't to my knowledge ever been bombed by the west.

Those poor bastards, no wonder murdering fellow humans was their only solution.


#victims

Cut for them


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paladisious wrote:
JonoMV wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:



That would be the difference. You assume that everyone has had the same upbringing and educational opportunities that perhaps you have.

lel

from memory these guys grew up in France and the chechens during the Boston Bombings were educated in the USA, one was a Med Student i think.


The Boston bombing brothers families were granted assylum by the US and some of them went on to get full citizenship. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was enrolled in the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, with a major in marine biology, he got a $2,500 scholarship from his local council to go, while his brother Tamerlan was in a community college studying accounting until he dropped out.



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Smoke coming out of the printing factory where the terrorists from the massacre have their hostage/s, and three figures in black on the roof.


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Definitely "SWAT"/Special Forces, possibly making an assault, contrary to the alleged demands of the hostage taker in Paris.

BBC pictures from the scene on a deliberate one minute delay.

Edited by paladisious: 10/1/2015 03:06:40 AM
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Definitely the sounds and flashes of flashbangs/stun grenades and gunfire at the village outside of Paris.

Hopefully those two blokes are probably very disappointed in their non existent afterlife right now and nobody else was harmed.
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Essentially you want blasphemy laws. I'll become an extremist to prevent those laws from existing on this island.

I respectfully disagree. I feel I somewhat understand where you're coming from but i don't think mohammed deserves special treatment. I don't like public religious symbols because I believe religion should be private. However, I can't demand that they take them down because I don't like it.


I didn't ask for blasphemy laws. Everyone is just saying, "its only cartoon done in fun, just get over it"

And I am just trying to say that because non muslims cant understand how revered Muhammed PBUH is in Islam, then you wouldnt understand why things such as cartoons cause so much anger among Muslims.

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most of those loonies are western born and bred and educated.


Most were also of different backgrounds before coming to these countries or being born in these countries. Only need to look at Woolwich. Born in Aus, but of African background, Nigerian if im not mistaken. So many have that link back home and if their countries are being oppressed, they feel connected and inclined to help. Thats where groups like ISIS step in. They see these guys looking for an outlet, they offer it, these guys fall hook line and sinker, and then we have these issues.





All i am going say is this. I do not condone any terrorist action regardless of race, religion, culture. Paris and Sydney, I do not condone them. I abhore them. All i seek to do is help create a greater understanding to hopefully seek an end to the problem. People have asked questions of Islam, I can only give you the first hand information I have from having spoken to guys who have extremists tendencies, canvas for Shariah Law etc etc etc. You can choose to accept it or listen, or you can choose to ignore it. That is up to you. I have tried to shed some light on things I hope. I have never once sort to cause any angst or anger, and i apologise if anyone was offended by something i may have said or did say. I cant apologise if some of my words were misinterpreted or misconstrued, I just hope that maybe one day we will be able to work together to combat the problem.
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Looks like a simultaneous operation by police at both situations, a lot of activity at the hostage situation in Paris too, with reports of five explosions heard.
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Le Monde reporting the supermarket hostage taker has been killed.
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paladisious wrote:
Le Monde reporting the supermarket hostage taker has been killed.

thats a shame (in regards to intel)
However delusional physco criminals need to be removed.
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scott21 wrote:
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Le Monde reporting the supermarket hostage taker has been killed.

thats a shame (in regards to intel)
However delusional physco criminals need to be removed.

These blunt objects don't know anything worth knowing, the only shame is giving them the "martyrdom" they seek.

Not that I'm sorry if they are no longer wasting free oxygen.

Edited by paladisious: 10/1/2015 03:40:38 AM
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The two Charlie Hebdo terrorists have been killed with one police officer injured, with the hostage freed, according to BBC and ABC.

Edited by paladisious: 10/1/2015 03:48:15 AM
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Glad these thugs have been caught and dealt with.



On a side note, read an interesting article, as short exert....

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The hypocrisy of Charlie Hebdo when it comes to free speech must also be pointed out. It fired one of its cartoonists for the offense of anti-Semitism because it mocked a former French president’s son who converted to Judaism, as NBC reporter Ayman Mohyeldin wrote,

Hebdo fired one of its cartoonists and accused him of anti-semitism because he mocked the son of a former living French President who converted to Judiasm. Why is mocking a living person anti-Semitic hate speech but mocking sacred religious figures not? Who decides what is anti-Semitic and who decides what is Islamophobic?

This is not a tabloid whose record of hate speech and hypocrisy should be whitewashed into a monument to martyrs of free speech. It’s satire was aimed against the oppressed and for the benefit of the powerful.

Lastly, I again would emphasize that there is no justification for the massacre in Paris or in Yemen carried out by Alqaeda, I hope the perpetrators are caught and speedily brought to justice so the families can have some semblance of peace and solace.

However, in the process Muslims should not have their individuality denied and erased, by being asked to condemn over and over actions which they had no part to play in but are considered guilty of because of their mere presence.


Once again, I do not condone the attacks. I abhore them and am glad that those who carried them out got what was coming to them. But just thought it was an interesting alternate view.

Edited by zimbos_05: 10/1/2015 08:16:28 AM
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zimbos_05 wrote:
Glad these thugs have been caught and dealt with.



On a side note, read an interesting article, as short exert....

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The hypocrisy of Charlie Hebdo when it comes to free speech must also be pointed out. It fired one of its cartoonists for the offense of anti-Semitism because it mocked a former French president’s son who converted to Judaism, as NBC reporter Ayman Mohyeldin wrote,

Hebdo fired one of its cartoonists and accused him of anti-semitism because he mocked the son of a former living French President who converted to Judiasm. Why is mocking a living person anti-Semitic hate speech but mocking sacred religious figures not? Who decides what is anti-Semitic and who decides what is Islamophobic?

This is not a tabloid whose record of hate speech and hypocrisy should be whitewashed into a monument to martyrs of free speech. It’s satire was aimed against the oppressed and for the benefit of the powerful.

Lastly, I again would emphasize that there is no justification for the massacre in Paris or in Yemen carried out by Alqaeda, I hope the perpetrators are caught and speedily brought to justice so the families can have some semblance of peace and solace.

However, in the process Muslims should not have their individuality denied and erased, by being asked to condemn over and over actions which they had no part to play in but are considered guilty of because of their mere presence.


Once again, I do not condone the attacks. I abhore them and am glad that those who carried them out got what was coming to them. But just thought it was an interesting alternate view.

Edited by zimbos_05: 10/1/2015 08:16:28 AM

they mocked everyone .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:

they mocked everyone .


Yes, i agree. The point the article made was when they mocked someone for being jewish, that person got fired and lost his job. So where do we draw the line in terms of which mockery is fine and which is not?

Edited by zimbos_05: 10/1/2015 10:34:30 AM
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An idea...

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Mods make it sticky.
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quichefc wrote:
An idea...

Thread title: Terrorist attack in...

Mods make it sticky.


This. We've had three in a month.


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zimbos_05 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:

they mocked everyone .


Yes, i agree. The point the article made was when they mocked someone for being jewish, that person got fired and lost his job. So where do we draw the line in terms of which mockery is fine and which is not?

Edited by zimbos_05: 10/1/2015 10:34:30 AM


This is an important point that unfortunately will be glossed over by the great unwashed.

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Great unwashed . Yeah those idiots who take it upon themselves to blow shit up in the name of their religion thats already struggling as it is . Great one idiots .
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zimbos_05 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:

they mocked everyone .


Yes, i agree. The point the article made was when they mocked someone for being jewish, that person got fired and lost his job. So where do we draw the line in terms of which mockery is fine and which is not?

Edited by zimbos_05: 10/1/2015 10:34:30 AM
whats the article ? That person claims they fired that person for being anti semitic but wheres the proof ? Not doubting you, just find it intresting .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:

they mocked everyone .


Yes, i agree. The point the article made was when they mocked someone for being jewish, that person got fired and lost his job. So where do we draw the line in terms of which mockery is fine and which is not?

Edited by zimbos_05: 10/1/2015 10:34:30 AM
whats the article ? That person claims they fired that person for being anti semitic but wheres the proof ? Not doubting you, just find it intresting .



Article:
http://www.loonwatch.com/2015/01/why-i-am-not-charlie-hebdo/


Support article on fired cartoonist:

Quote:
Maurice Sinet, 86, who works under the pen name Sine in the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo, faced charges of "inciting racial hatred" for a column he wrote in 2009. The piece sparked a slanging match among the Parisian intelligentsia and ended in his dismissal from the magazine.
"L'affaire Sine" followed the engagement of Mr Sarkozy, 22, to Jessica Sebaoun-Darty, the Jewish heiress of an electronic goods chain. Commenting on an unfounded rumour that the president's son planned to convert to Judaism, Sine quipped: "He'll go a long way in life, that little lad."
A high-profile political commentator slammed the column as linking prejudice about Jews and social success. Charlie Hebdo's editor, Philippe Val, asked Sinet to apologise but he refused in a very strictly manner.
Mr Val's decision to fire Sine was backed by a group of eminent intellectuals, including the philosopher Bernard-Henry Lévy, but parts of the libertarian Left defended him, citing the right to free speech.
As mocking young Mr Sarkozy converted to Judaism for money, Sine was accused of being Anti-Semitic and faced many preassures leading him to be fired from the weekly magazine. The same magazine published cartoons even insulting the Islam Prophet Muhammad and Muslims yet explained them as “freedom of speech.”

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