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Lurching from one crisis to the next.
FFA need to sort this out. Put the Jets license in Thompson's name and agree to let him pay the fee later - then dive in and take over at Roar FFS.
Whilst on the subject - I've said this before - we're constantly being told about the huge political benefit of having Lowy in charge at the FFA... Surely he can use this amazing political influence to push the Queensland authorities into making a sensible, mutually beneficial, stadium deal for Roar.
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Benjamin wrote:Lurching from one crisis to the next.
FFA need to sort this out. Put the Jets license in Thompson's name and agree to let him pay the fee later - then dive in and take over at Roar FFS. If someone buys the license will they have to take on Mulveys potential debt ?
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Benjamin
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Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Benjamin wrote:Lurching from one crisis to the next.
FFA need to sort this out. Put the Jets license in Thompson's name and agree to let him pay the fee later - then dive in and take over at Roar FFS. If someone buys the license will they have to take on Mulveys potential debt ? If the holding company is wound up/put into administration, then all debts will remain with that company and the license will simply be stripped and awarded to the new entity. If there is no administration then all debts will pass onto the new owner. As an aside, if the holding company does go into administration Roar would have to revert to their old badge, as the new one is owned by the holding company rather than the FFA.
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Benjamin wrote:Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Benjamin wrote:Lurching from one crisis to the next.
FFA need to sort this out. Put the Jets license in Thompson's name and agree to let him pay the fee later - then dive in and take over at Roar FFS. If someone buys the license will they have to take on Mulveys potential debt ? If the holding company is wound up/put into administration, then all debts will remain with that company and the license will simply be stripped and awarded to the new entity. If there is no administration then all debts will pass onto the new owner. Just wondering if the staff have to be employed by the license holding company or can they be employed by a separate entity ?
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Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Benjamin wrote:Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Benjamin wrote:Lurching from one crisis to the next.
FFA need to sort this out. Put the Jets license in Thompson's name and agree to let him pay the fee later - then dive in and take over at Roar FFS. If someone buys the license will they have to take on Mulveys potential debt ? If the holding company is wound up/put into administration, then all debts will remain with that company and the license will simply be stripped and awarded to the new entity. If there is no administration then all debts will pass onto the new owner. Just wondering if the staff have to be employed by the license holding company or can they be employed by a separate entity ? Not sure why you would bother having separate entities to cover staff and license... The license-only entity would be pointless as the item is only ever on loan to the entity.
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Benjamin wrote:As an aside, if the holding company does go into administration Roar would have to revert to their old badge, as the new one is owned by the holding company rather than the FFA. LOL already re-using the Brokelads shirts blacked out
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Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Benjamin wrote:As an aside, if the holding company does go into administration Roar would have to revert to their old badge, as the new one is owned by the holding company rather than the FFA. LOL already re-using the Brokelads shirts blacked out  Fuck that is embarrassing
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Benjamin wrote:
Whilst on the subject - I've said this before - we're constantly being told about the huge political benefit of having Lowy in charge at the FFA... Surely he can use this amazing political influence to push the Queensland authorities into making a sensible, mutually beneficial, stadium deal for Roar.
How? Lowy: Give us a better deal or we'll leave. Suncorp: Yeah, good luck with that. They've got them over a barrel and none of this shit will be sorted out until they have an opportunity to stop bleeding cash. The better tactic (I'm guessing) would be to plead on bended knee with Fox to allow them to move to a smaller ground. The next problem of course is where, but even if it was shitty and difficult to get to (Ballymore for example) surely 6000 fans week, in week out at a smaller, way cheaper ground, would make them more money over the long run. Just playing for a season or 2 elsewhere would be worth doing if only to drive a better stadium deal at Suncorp.
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Wouldn't it be the Coffee Club that is blacked out?
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Whilst on the subject - I've said this before - we're constantly being told about the huge political benefit of having Lowy in charge at the FFA... Surely he can use this amazing political influence to push the Queensland authorities into making a sensible, mutually beneficial, stadium deal for Roar.
How? Lowy: Give us a better deal or we'll leave. Suncorp: Yeah, good luck with that. They've got them over a barrel and none of this shit will be sorted out until they have an opportunity to stop bleeding cash. The better tactic (I'm guessing) would be to plead on bended knee with Fox to allow them to move to a smaller ground. The next problem of course is where, but even if it was shitty and difficult to get to (Ballymore for example) surely 6000 fans week, in week out at a smaller, way cheaper ground, would make them more money over the long run. Just playing for a season or 2 elsewhere would be worth doing if only to drive a better stadium deal at Suncorp. Yep, just play the big games at Suncorp and the rest at Ballymore or PerryPark.
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KrioTek wrote:Wouldn't it be the Coffee Club that is blacked out? Yeah , might be last seasons kit.
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Oh dear, those kits. Needs more freedom of speech. -PB
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Riddle me this Pauly
How can you deny the right for South Melbourne to enter the league, with numerous corporate ties and stable management of a club playing rent free in a boutique stadium, close to the countries second largest city; whilst your club continues to provide poor press and appears to be on the verge of collapse for months?
Does it pain you that much that the community club run by migrants is better managed than your franchise?
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Whilst on the subject - I've said this before - we're constantly being told about the huge political benefit of having Lowy in charge at the FFA... Surely he can use this amazing political influence to push the Queensland authorities into making a sensible, mutually beneficial, stadium deal for Roar.
How? Lowy: Give us a better deal or we'll leave. Suncorp: Yeah, good luck with that. They've got them over a barrel and none of this shit will be sorted out until they have an opportunity to stop bleeding cash. The better tactic (I'm guessing) would be to plead on bended knee with Fox to allow them to move to a smaller ground. The next problem of course is where, but even if it was shitty and difficult to get to (Ballymore for example) surely 6000 fans week, in week out at a smaller, way cheaper ground, would make them more money over the long run. Just playing for a season or 2 elsewhere would be worth doing if only to drive a better stadium deal at Suncorp. Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman?
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Benjamin wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Whilst on the subject - I've said this before - we're constantly being told about the huge political benefit of having Lowy in charge at the FFA... Surely he can use this amazing political influence to push the Queensland authorities into making a sensible, mutually beneficial, stadium deal for Roar.
How? Lowy: Give us a better deal or we'll leave. Suncorp: Yeah, good luck with that. They've got them over a barrel and none of this shit will be sorted out until they have an opportunity to stop bleeding cash. The better tactic (I'm guessing) would be to plead on bended knee with Fox to allow them to move to a smaller ground. The next problem of course is where, but even if it was shitty and difficult to get to (Ballymore for example) surely 6000 fans week, in week out at a smaller, way cheaper ground, would make them more money over the long run. Just playing for a season or 2 elsewhere would be worth doing if only to drive a better stadium deal at Suncorp. Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman? Just a point of reference. The FFA/Lowy have already successfully in the past negotiated with Suncorp to reduce the roars rental.
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salmonfc wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Riddle me this Pauly
How can you deny the right for South Melbourne to enter the league, with numerous corporate ties and stable management of a club playing rent free in a boutique stadium, close to the countries second largest city; whilst your club continues to provide poor press and appears to be on the verge of collapse for months?
Does it pain you that much that the community club run by migrants is better managed than your franchise? I can't wait for the response. I'm curious too as to how, as paulc puts it, 'the most successful club in the country' can be in such a shit state after two seasons.
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Benjamin wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Whilst on the subject - I've said this before - we're constantly being told about the huge political benefit of having Lowy in charge at the FFA... Surely he can use this amazing political influence to push the Queensland authorities into making a sensible, mutually beneficial, stadium deal for Roar.
How? Lowy: Give us a better deal or we'll leave. Suncorp: Yeah, good luck with that. They've got them over a barrel and none of this shit will be sorted out until they have an opportunity to stop bleeding cash. The better tactic (I'm guessing) would be to plead on bended knee with Fox to allow them to move to a smaller ground. The next problem of course is where, but even if it was shitty and difficult to get to (Ballymore for example) surely 6000 fans week, in week out at a smaller, way cheaper ground, would make them more money over the long run. Just playing for a season or 2 elsewhere would be worth doing if only to drive a better stadium deal at Suncorp. Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman? Think the Lowy clan would waste political favours on approval for a stadium instead of a nice shiny new shopping mall ? Edited by Buggalugs - you should have listened...: 3/9/2015 11:58:06 AM
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Tard News wrote:As stated previously, FFA will drain the current owners of all available funds (that they have allocated to the club), then the FFA will step in at the very last moment, as the PR “saviour” of the club. Paulc can go back to deepthroating the Lowy family by believing the shit they say. They created football in this country afterall...
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So Mulvey only becomes a creditor once the Court decides ? Will be all over by then I guess.
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Benjamin wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Whilst on the subject - I've said this before - we're constantly being told about the huge political benefit of having Lowy in charge at the FFA... Surely he can use this amazing political influence to push the Queensland authorities into making a sensible, mutually beneficial, stadium deal for Roar.
How? Lowy: Give us a better deal or we'll leave. Suncorp: Yeah, good luck with that. They've got them over a barrel and none of this shit will be sorted out until they have an opportunity to stop bleeding cash. The better tactic (I'm guessing) would be to plead on bended knee with Fox to allow them to move to a smaller ground. The next problem of course is where, but even if it was shitty and difficult to get to (Ballymore for example) surely 6000 fans week, in week out at a smaller, way cheaper ground, would make them more money over the long run. Just playing for a season or 2 elsewhere would be worth doing if only to drive a better stadium deal at Suncorp. Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman? Mate God could be in charge and he wouldn't get a better deal. Fox insist the games are played out of Suncorp. However much influence you wield, and no doubt he has major clout, if you have no other options then your negotiating position is non-existent. I still think going to Fox is their best option.
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salmonfc wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Riddle me this Pauly
How can you deny the right for South Melbourne to enter the league, with numerous corporate ties and stable management of a club playing rent free in a boutique stadium, close to the countries second largest city; whilst your club continues to provide poor press and appears to be on the verge of collapse for months?
Does it pain you that much that the community club run by migrants is better managed than your franchise? Did I read somewhere that you need a minimum of $6 million a year to run an A-League club? Is that the approximate figure or is it more or less?
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Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:Benjamin wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Benjamin wrote:
Whilst on the subject - I've said this before - we're constantly being told about the huge political benefit of having Lowy in charge at the FFA... Surely he can use this amazing political influence to push the Queensland authorities into making a sensible, mutually beneficial, stadium deal for Roar.
How? Lowy: Give us a better deal or we'll leave. Suncorp: Yeah, good luck with that. They've got them over a barrel and none of this shit will be sorted out until they have an opportunity to stop bleeding cash. The better tactic (I'm guessing) would be to plead on bended knee with Fox to allow them to move to a smaller ground. The next problem of course is where, but even if it was shitty and difficult to get to (Ballymore for example) surely 6000 fans week, in week out at a smaller, way cheaper ground, would make them more money over the long run. Just playing for a season or 2 elsewhere would be worth doing if only to drive a better stadium deal at Suncorp. Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman? Think the Lowy clan would waste political favours on approval for a stadium instead of a nice shiny new shopping mall ? Edited by Buggalugs - you should have listened...: 3/9/2015 11:58:06 AM Heaven forbid. Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Just a point of reference. The FFA/Lowy have already successfully in the past negotiated with Suncorp to reduce the roars rental. Interesting... Makes you wonder how bad the deal used to be, if this is the improved one... Frank needs to get back in for round two.
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I think FFA gave them an extra socceroos game in the 'improved' deal didn't they? Can't keep doing that...
But yes, something has to give and there's nothing to give from the BR, little from FFA but more so from QLD state government. The answer must lay with a compromise with the government - particularly when they and their constituents are to lose out just as much as FFA when BR folds.
Edited by absent_doz_2259: 3/9/2015 12:45:02 PM
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Benjamin wrote:Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:Just a point of reference. The FFA/Lowy have already successfully in the past negotiated with Suncorp to reduce the roars rental. Interesting... Makes you wonder how bad the deal used to be, if this is the improved one... Frank needs to get back in for round two. I think you'll find that deal wasn't anything off Lowys nose. IIRC - The FFA itself allocated a couple of Socceroos games to Brisbane during the 2010 WC campaign as compensation. It was a temporary thing to nurse the Coffee Boys along.
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:
Just a point of reference. The FFA/Lowy have already successfully in the past negotiated with Suncorp to reduce the roars rental.
Wasn't the deal something along the lines of the Roar didn't need 15k to break even but anything over that they made no money from? That was my understanding.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:salmonfc wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Riddle me this Pauly
How can you deny the right for South Melbourne to enter the league, with numerous corporate ties and stable management of a club playing rent free in a boutique stadium, close to the countries second largest city; whilst your club continues to provide poor press and appears to be on the verge of collapse for months?
Does it pain you that much that the community club run by migrants is better managed than your franchise? Did I read somewhere that you need a minimum of $6 million a year to run an A-League club? Is that the approximate figure or is it more or less? Not too sure. But with the salary cap covered (close to 2.5m), current investors and new investors that will come on board with national exposure, plus the fact they would be the only team playing rent free, money will not be an issue for them. So if we take the $6 million as a given Sth Melb have access to $3.5 mill per season, every season?
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Benjamin wrote: Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman?
Agree. For all their apparent influence, can anyone really suggest they have displayed any real clout. Look at what the AFL can achieve? A brief state of play in football sees - Stadium deals are diabolical - The media still have campaigns against sokkah - there seems to be litttle government help in various states - The police are clearly acting on behalf of AFL interests as shown by statements last year. Where's Frank's influence going? That 1 vote at the world cup? Getting Elle to be in the presentation?
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tsf wrote:Benjamin wrote: Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman?
Agree. For all their apparent influence, can anyone really suggest they have displayed any real clout. Look at what the AFL can achieve? A brief state of play in football sees - Stadium deals are diabolical - The media still have campaigns against sokkah - there seems to be litttle government help in various states - The police are clearly acting on behalf of AFL interests as shown by statements last year. Where's Frank's influence going? That 1 vote at the world cup? Getting Elle to be in the presentation? So replacing Lowy with anyone else would fix all of this?
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Munrubenmuz wrote:tsf wrote:Benjamin wrote: Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman?
Agree. For all their apparent influence, can anyone really suggest they have displayed any real clout. Look at what the AFL can achieve? A brief state of play in football sees - Stadium deals are diabolical - The media still have campaigns against sokkah - there seems to be litttle government help in various states - The police are clearly acting on behalf of AFL interests as shown by statements last year. Where's Frank's influence going? That 1 vote at the world cup? Getting Elle to be in the presentation? So replacing Lowy with anyone else would fix all of this? I didnt say that. I'm questioning his influence, or lack of willingness to use it. But what I'm questioning more is what would having his son being freely handed the reigns achieve?
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tsf wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:tsf wrote:Benjamin wrote: Again, this is how it would be for a mere mortal - but we're talking about the politically connected and influential Lowy family. If they are all we are told they are, then surely they could broker a deal on behalf of Roar. If not, are they really any more useful than any other chairman?
Agree. For all their apparent influence, can anyone really suggest they have displayed any real clout. Look at what the AFL can achieve? A brief state of play in football sees - Stadium deals are diabolical - The media still have campaigns against sokkah - there seems to be litttle government help in various states - The police are clearly acting on behalf of AFL interests as shown by statements last year. Where's Frank's influence going? That 1 vote at the world cup? Getting Elle to be in the presentation? So replacing Lowy with anyone else would fix all of this? I didnt say that. I'm questioning his influence, or lack of willingness to use it. But what I'm questioning more is what would having his son being freely handed the reigns achieve? I realise you didn't say that but Lowy seems to be a lightning rod for a lot of 'h8ters' here. Lowy is one chairman. The AFL has dozens across a multitude or organisations. What influence he would have would against all of them would be marginal at best. Maybe he already has tried? Who knows? The son thing is another matter entirely.
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