There's a stairway according to Led Zep.

I would say exactly the same thing of any intelligent person supporting any religious miracles (or any miracles at all really).

Latest statistics show that Christianity is dying out in the UK.
In a few years it will no longer be considered a Christian country :)

We'll get there in Australia soon too :)

Britain and Australia already aren't "Christian" countries. We are secular countries underpinned by Judeo-Christian values and legal system. A decline in those who Christian adherents won't change this. It's also not beyond the realms of possibility for Christianity to experience a revival. People are always looking for meaning and purpose in their lives and atheism is probably the blandest, emptiest belief system around. It's like travelling the universe and deciding to pitch a tent on a black hole.

Atheists realise you don't need belief systems to have meaning in your life. Especially not obvious made up crap.

i think it boils down to whether you can still get it up when you are around 150 years old..if you cant is life really worth living.
imagine the dating game if you are 150 or so years old...would a 20 or 30 year old find it to gross to date someone that age even if they are cashed up.



Edited by Socawho: 10/12/2015 10:50:30 PM

You really can't say stuff like that as a Christian... Saying stuff like that just makes you western :lol:

That's doesn't change the fact how dank and barren an atheist worldview is. I'm aware of the attempts to add some flavour by dressing it up as humanism, but like you said such belief systems are just made up crap. Bottom line is if you're an atheist and true to yourself you don't believe in free will, love is just an illusion, life is meaningless, we are just robotic agents programmed by nature to exist accidentally.

Fucking this. Why do we need a thousand year old book for meaning? Aren't our own lives and our own experiences enough?

You're really giving religious people like me a bad look when you go off spouting stuff like this. Yes, while I believe free will and love are gifts from God, that does not mean people without belief in a superior being are unable to appreciate human emotion and beauty in the world.

But then again maybe I'm more sensitive to being critical of one's spiritual beliefs or lack there of because I wouldn't like people disparaging me for what I believe in, the golden rule and such. I don't subscribe to atheist views myself but so long as people are good and decent then I can respect them.

There needs to be more faithful like you.

It saddens me that in this day and age atheism is still attacked as barren/boring. It's clear that indoctrination is still strong in this country.

Banning indoctrination would solve a lot of the worlds problems

I don't agree with the concept of Atheism being bland and boring. It makes me look at life with wonder and awe of how things have evolved and how the human race has gotten to where it is now. It makes me appreciate life more. For instance, if you think about it, if your dad was railing your mum on a 5 degree different angle, you would most likely not exist. Life is precious and fleeting. Don't take it for granted and just go "hurr durr, at least after my miserable life ends i have heaven to look forward to"

But if you are atheist human emotion and beauty aren't gifts bequeathed by a divine source rather they are simply evolutionary mutations conducive to survival and reproduction. Sure you can still try to appreciate it but even that is a mutation in itself. It might be that the appreciation mutation is a necessary survival trait but nothing can be objectively beautiful and emotions are simply delusions to hide how pointless and worthless life is. That doesn't mean it isn't true but might help explain why perhaps spirituality and religion may have a future.

I think that is more Sheldon Cooper than average Joe thinking

But your comment misses the point that you don't have to derive all meaning from the original evolutionary mutations from which they originated.

If you love someone, you love them. That is still real regardless of the fact that you evolved that emotion as a survival mechanism.

The joy of atheism is that you can define meaning on your own terms. It isn't reliant on an outside structure dictating meaning to you.

nothing wrong with worshipping false gods...the problem is preaching it.

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat.- as seen a million times on the internet.

Yes, getting really tired of christians continually preaching their fairytales and outdated lifestyle choices upon me.
Who gave them the right to tell us how to live our lives.

I don't know how you could mention outdated lifestyles in the same sentence as Christians yet leave out Islam.
You are looney.