Brisbane Roar in crisis mode as players not paid


Brisbane Roar in crisis mode as players not paid

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FullBack4 - 16 Aug 2016 11:03 AM
There's nothing new in this, can any BRFC fan say they didn't expect this to happen at some point?

Cobb or Bakries or the coffee club/pizza boys - there is one consistent factor in all of this that's not the owners - and it is BRFC who despite all the success on the field and decent crowds off it, can not survive commercially. That is perhaps the question the FFA should address because it seems to me a succession of owners come in with grand plans and exit through the same door

How is it not surviving when all the bills have always been paid and at the moment payments being a mere 1 day late lol.

Huge stadium fees is a major disadvantage but getting the right owner is the real issue.


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paulc - 16 Aug 2016 11:08 AM
FullBack4 - 16 Aug 2016 11:03 AM

How is it not surviving when all the bills have always been paid and at the moment payments being a mere 1 day late lol.

Huge stadium fees is a major disadvantage but getting the right owner is the real issue.

The only way we can ever beat the huge stadium fees is if we were taken over by a rich club like Manchester City, other than that anyone coming in will always have a hard time paying the bills at Suncorp. We need to move but there is no where to move, even if we went to Ballymore I hear it it still quite expensive for a run down stadium and then we would probably lose fans because there is no direct access by train like there is for Suncorp.

I'm all over it all to be honest. How can we as fans support a club who cannot even support their own players,staff and continually make bad decisions off the field. While I have always defended Roar when others call us a joke, but honestly there is no other word for it at the moment, we are a joke, off the field. 




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Keep up the excellent trolling Fullback.
What you forget is the absolute contempt with which fans have been treated by management over the years.
If you want to call Roar fans precious go ahead.But I for one believe I have the right to watch a game on tv ,if I want to ,rather than pay exhorbitant membership fees for games played at inconvenient random times.
What clubs and FFA have to realise is they don't have a right to fans attending games.Like most people I have a life outside of football.There are many things I can do and if watching my team live becomes a pain in the rear end ,I am less likely to turn up .I feel no guilt whatsoever in watching HAL on tv.
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scott21 - 16 Aug 2016 10:40 AM


Yeah, all players should just sign contracts with the FFA like in the USA. The FFA can move around players to make the league more even year to year......

No you peanut.  They're still contracted to their clubs.  The club just submits their contracts or payment schedules to the FFA and the FFA pays them directly with money that would have been granted to the clubs in any case.



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MrBrisbane - 16 Aug 2016 11:19 AM
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The only way we can ever beat the huge stadium fees is if we were taken over by a rich club like Manchester City, other than that anyone coming in will always have a hard time paying the bills at Suncorp. We need to move but there is no where to move, even if we went to Ballymore I hear it it still quite expensive for a run down stadium and then we would probably lose fans because there is no direct access by train like there is for Suncorp.

I'm all over it all to be honest. How can we as fans support a club who cannot even support their own players,staff and continually make bad decisions off the field. While I have always defended Roar when others call us a joke, but honestly there is no other word for it at the moment, we are a joke, off the field. 

I'm sure it has always been the intention of BRFC management and staff to pay on time but if the money comes in from Indonesia a little late it boils down to the owners.

Hang fire Mr Brisbane, it will come good.



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Toughlove - 16 Aug 2016 11:24 AM
scott21 - 16 Aug 2016 10:40 AM

No you peanut.  They're still contracted to their clubs.  The club just submits their contracts or payment schedules to the FFA and the FFA pays them directly with money that would have been granted to the clubs in any case.



The scottyboys are struggling a bit these days lol


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Much like BR aye Pauly?


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How can a player get paid by the FFA but have a contract with the club?
The club has to pay the player after the FFA has paid them or have a contract directly with the FFA.

Also, if the FFA does not pay the clubs to pay the players this will effect their revenues.




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LOL No wonder paulc frothes the FFA so much. 

They always buy his club out of trouble. What a debacle of an organisation. 


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3 years tops. 


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The junior jerk circle one after the other lol.

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You guys want players to be subcontractors of the FFA not employees of clubs. I will never think that is a good idea. 
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paulc - 16 Aug 2016 11:38 AM
The junior jerk circle one after the other lol.

Yet you're in the middle...


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TheSelectFew - 16 Aug 2016 11:44 AM
paulc - 16 Aug 2016 11:38 AM

Yet you're in the middle...

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scott21 - 16 Aug 2016 11:38 AM
You guys want players to be subcontractors of the FFA not employees of clubs. I will never think that is a good idea. 

Are you seriously that dense?

I have $3.00 for a muffin.  I can give it to you to pay the lady behind the counter and hope you don't hold onto that money or spend it or I can pay the lady direct.

What do you think is the most efficient method?
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paulbagzFC - 16 Aug 2016 11:53 AM
TheSelectFew - 16 Aug 2016 11:44 AM

Resort Bukkake.

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You're going all limp wristy today PB. lol


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Toughlove - 16 Aug 2016 12:00 PM
scott21 - 16 Aug 2016 11:38 AM

Are you seriously that dense?

I have $3.00 for a muffin.  I can give it to you to pay the lady behind the counter and hope you don't hold onto that money or spend it or I can pay the lady direct.

What do you think is the most efficient method?

The scotties have the corner store mentality so you might need a few more threads to get that through to them.


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paulbagzFC - 16 Aug 2016 11:53 AM
TheSelectFew - 16 Aug 2016 11:44 AM

Resort Bukkake.

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Rofl I edited my post in fear of a JoFFA ban. PTJD Post traumatic JoFFA disorder. 


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Toughlove - 16 Aug 2016 12:00 PM
scott21 - 16 Aug 2016 11:38 AM

Are you seriously that dense?

I have $3.00 for a muffin.  I can give it to you to pay the lady behind the counter and hope you don't hold onto that money or spend it or I can pay the lady direct.

What do you think is the most efficient method?

Why would you not also give me money to pay for cookies (office staff) when you give me money for muffins?


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paulc - 16 Aug 2016 12:05 PM
Toughlove - 16 Aug 2016 12:00 PM

The scotties have the corner store mentality so you might need a few more threads to get that through to them.

So when the FFA just gives this money to players what/how do they write the expenses in their system?
yeah nah, *wages*. That would make them employees of the FFA. 

or maybe in no accounting rules land you can just write it off as a gift, and they volunteer to play at clubs.

If you want them to write it as an expense the players better start establishing companies. 
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my understanding was that the ffa was reluctant to move on the bakries with newcastle unresolved.

time is now. the club deserves better than this.  bakries out.

 




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scott21 - 16 Aug 2016 12:09 PM
paulc - 16 Aug 2016 12:05 PM

So when the FFA just gives this money to players what/how do they write the expenses in their system?
yeah nah, *wages*. That would make them employees of the FFA. 

or maybe in no accounting rules land you can just write it off as a gift, and they volunteer to play at clubs.

If you want them to write it as an expense the players better start establishing companies. 

Oh God :blush:


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paulc - 16 Aug 2016 12:46 PM
scott21 - 16 Aug 2016 12:09 PM

Oh God :blush:

Im sorry , but you agree with a guy who wants to pay for my muffin and thinks that it is ok that I just put th receipt on my books. If you pay for me, I cant put anything in my books. :sick:

You are the ones promoting dodgy business. 
 
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Before i go off the rails. Given the they are paid on the 15th, could it just be a bank transfer thing. They did it late, not going to appear till today. 

If its not that, i'm not sure how many breaches the FFA are going to allow. Paying staff on time is vital for moral and a good indication of business health. 
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Waz - 15 Aug 2016 11:30 PM
Gallop has told them to stop being naughty. That will do it. Worked a treat last year ..,, Well until March when they weren't paid again, but when he said it again then it worked ..... err, until now that is. But hey, he's said "stop it" three times in the last year, that should be dnough shouldn't it? How spineless are the FFA not to act. They don't deserve a team in Brisbane, they really don't!

It's not about being spineless it's about $$$$. They simply don't have the money atm. 

And before people jump on here raving about the $500k spent on Cahill, firstly that isn't enough to save a club like Brisbane, and secondly no money put aside to promoting or marketing the game should be sacrificed for this. The FFA need to make the A-league as attractive as possible and obviously if they haven't taken over the club it's because they can't manage to do it. If they had hundreds or even more than 30-40 million in the bank it would be expected for them to act.

But tell me, how should the FFA take over the licence if they are waiting for the next media deal to fill their pockets again? They would have to sacrifice money from Grass roots or raise playing fees. Something im sure you as many others on here are against. 



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bluebird - 16 Aug 2016 7:00 AM
Lucky we have a salary cap

Despite clubs constantly hitting financial crisis and ownership problems, we still get all the benefits of not having big players and big teams in our league

One balances out the other

Sydney, WSW and Victory don't have cash problems. Why aren't they spending big on marquees. Nothing is stopping them. Certainly not the salary cap as they have 3 spots to fill. Yet they aren't spending much. This tells me that getting rid of the salary cap would do very little on bringing in big players or creating huge clubs. Once we max out the marquees properly for at least 2-3 clubs in the league we can talk about dropping the cap. 
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Davo1985 - 16 Aug 2016 2:02 PM
Waz - 15 Aug 2016 11:30 PM

It's not about being spineless it's about $$$$. They simply don't have the money atm. 

And before people jump on here raving about the $500k spent on Cahill, firstly that isn't enough to save a club like Brisbane, and secondly no money put aside to promoting or marketing the game should be sacrificed for this. The FFA need to make the A-league as attractive as possible and obviously if they haven't taken over the club it's because they can't manage to do it. If they had hundreds or even more than 30-40 million in the bank it would be expected for them to act.

But tell me, how should the FFA take over the licence if they are waiting for the next media deal to fill their pockets again? They would have to sacrifice money from Grass roots or raise playing fees. Something im sure you as many others on here are against. 



And in the mean time before the next tv deal the club continues to be damaged beyond on repair, how is that going to help the next tv deal?





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Waz - 16 Aug 2016 7:04 AM
The FFA have failed on this issue several times in the past, Gallop needs to go. The defence of the FFA in the past has been "they can't act as long as players are getting paid" well they're not getting paid, again, so what excuse do the FFA have now?None - they need to start the process of taking the Bakries licence back this morning. Gallop will survive but he shouldn't, he now represents all that's wrong with football administration in this country. Spineless and disconnected from reality. Fire his arse in the afternoon and get a football person in there.

You are clueless.

Tell me how would you take over a business with hardly any capital? Would love to hear your thoughts on how you would manage to pay a large payroll with no real funds in the bank. Perhaps you would borrow money to fund this venture, but I guess the question is who would fund you when the risks of actually defaulting is so high for a football club. So where do you turn next? Start doubling or tripling association fees? Charge 3 times the amount to Socceroos games? Kill off the PFA so you don;t have to agree to the ludicrous 30% cut in the next media deal? Tell me how do you think the FFA could fund this? Because that's what the problem is atm. It's a lack of funds, not a lack of will like you seem to make it out to be. Gallop isn;t the one pulling the strings on this one. He's not in charge the FFA coffers. He gets told how much he can spend and that's about it. 
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Gazzza - 16 Aug 2016 2:09 PM
Davo1985 - 16 Aug 2016 2:02 PM

And in the mean time before the next tv deal the club continues to be damaged beyond on repair, how is that going to help the next tv deal?

The next TV deal largely relies on Brisbane participating first and foremost. There's no chance they will not. Whether someone gets paid a day or a week late is largely irrelevant. Not nice, can do without and terrible for some but not critical to the TV deal.


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