Definitely can't see a 2nd Adelaide side 

Are you able to source some of those old club bids?

I think 3rd Sydney + 2nd Brisbane will be the answer for the FFA. Both have bigger TV markets and would be the safest bets for them. 

When the move comes to 14 teams, that is when things get exciting.

Murray Bridge Swans FC (names after Swanport Bridge that crosses the Murray River at this town).

Burztur

On the old clubs was going by media reports from their officials they want bank in... South Melbourne and Sydney United have been quite vocal and recently so to has AU City.  Interesting both South Melbourne and Sydney United have reasonable stadiums and could be upgraded to maybe 12 to 14 K stadiums reasonably cheaply both have an existing fan base. Both need to prove to FFA they no longer represent an ethnic group but represent a broader community / regional area.... 

In Brisbane their is lots of talk of a new bid and I have read with the backing of the older clubs... media last week reported FFA can expect a bid very soon from Brisbane ... 

LOL at you weighting the prospect of Sydney Croatia and AU more than a Qld team. What about Ipswich or Logan that have been more than just talked about with councils willing to provide land and financial support? Mono ethnic clubs won't receive such favours and are all talk and wishful thinking of bringing their single nationality community back to the limelight like in the NSL days. Will never happen.

Strangely Tasmania looks to be the most advanced bid

Sounds like a serious one too. If the checks and balances are right, why mot? But I'm sure FFA have better options. Tassie is jumping the gun.

Out of curiosity paulc, I know you're against ethnic clubs in the A-League but what is your ideal A-League?

14/16/20 teams?
Where would you like to see the league expand?

Hobart flag could be used for something if the Tas team gets through, depending on what it's going to be branded as too.

Mix it with this ?

some more concepts from the OP, there might be more in the thread, I haven't updated the OP in a long time.

by imonfourfourtwo


Steven Kramer


and by Mod Paladisious

Football Federation Tasmania CEO backs A-League bid



Football Federation Tasmania CEO Mike Palmer has backed the local consortium interested in establishing an A-League franchise in the Apple Isle.

The movement, reportedly backed by two former Melbourne Victory board members, property investor Harry Stamoulis and fellow shareholder Robert Belteky, has already positively engaged with the local governing body and the FFA.

The movement, reportedly backed by two former Melbourne Victory board members, property investor Harry Stamoulis and fellow shareholder Robert Belteky, has already positively engaged with the local governing body and the FFA.

Palmer said the group is set to meet with the FFA next week and has the full support of Football Federation Tasmania.

Palmer said the group is set to meet with the FFA next week and has the full support of Football Federation Tasmania.

“I vaguely recall saying on the show that it wouldn’t happen in a million years… I might be looking like a bit of a goose!” he told the .

“I vaguely recall saying on the show that it wouldn’t happen in a million years… I might be looking like a bit of a goose!” he told the Daily Football ShowDaily Football Show.

“Things have taken the most unusual twist that we simply didn’t coming.

“Things have taken the most unusual twist that we simply didn’t coming.

“We always knew it was going to take someone with a whole bunch of money. We didn’t think that money particularly existed in Tasmania either from an individual or corporately.

“We always knew it was going to take someone with a whole bunch of money. We didn’t think that money particularly existed in Tasmania either from an individual or corporately.

“All of a sudden out of Melbourne there’s a group that are very keen.

“All of a sudden out of Melbourne there’s a group that are very keen.

“They’ve quietly gone to meet with the FFA to see which way the wind was blowing and as far as we know, that meeting is now next week.”

“They’ve quietly gone to meet with the FFA to see which way the wind was blowing and as far as we know, that meeting is now next week.”

Palmer said the team would likely be based in Hobart but the group were yet to reach that determination, but said they covering all bases, including community engagement.

Palmer said the team would likely be based in Hobart but the group were yet to reach that determination, but said they covering all bases, including community engagement.

“There is absolutely no doubt… In the discussion I had with them they were very understanding that they need to integrate the community,” he said.

“There is absolutely no doubt… In the discussion I had with them they were very understanding that they need to integrate the community,” he said.

“You’ve got to be realistic and these guys are. We’re not talking about ever having 25,000-30,000 to a game, it’ll be sort of 8000, 9000, 10,000 crowds.

“You’ve got to be realistic and these guys are. We’re not talking about ever having 25,000-30,000 to a game, it’ll be sort of 8000, 9000, 10,000 crowds.

“Now that it’s half way to a reality and we’ve had a look at it, there’s certainly no reason why it can’t work.

“Now that it’s half way to a reality and we’ve had a look at it, there’s certainly no reason why it can’t work.

“There’s certainly an appetite down here to be in national competitions.”

“There’s certainly an appetite down here to be in national competitions.”

While the FFA have no formal process for expansion nominations, Palmer said this consortium could well pave the way for that to change and some strategy be created around expansion.

While the FFA have no formal process for expansion nominations, Palmer said this consortium could well pave the way for that to change and some strategy be created around expansion.

“There’s no formal process currently in play for expansion in the A-League… FFA haven’t called for tenders or anything. This is an unsolicited advance from the group… so to some extent this will probably force the FFA into having a process,” he said.

“There’s no formal process currently in play for expansion in the A-League… FFA haven’t called for tenders or anything. This is an unsolicited advance from the group… so to some extent this will probably force the FFA into having a process,” he said.

“I don’t see any reason why immediately we wouldn’t be more stable and stronger than Newcastle, Central Coast and teams like that.”

“I don’t see any reason why immediately we wouldn’t be more stable and stronger than Newcastle, Central Coast and teams like that.”

http://outside90.com/football-federation-tasmania-ceo-backs-a-league-bid/

While the FFA have no formal process for expansion nominations

Encouraging

the more i look into tasmania, the more it seems they wont work unless a new 15k stadium is built. north hobart oval facilities arent up to scratch, sharing bellerieve oval with the cricket would be chaotic.

Majority of the fan designs are absolutely horrendously shocking. The rest are bad.

Maybe have a team called Campbelltown half the games in NSW and the other half in SA /s

Ill start by saying lakeside > hutt Recreational.... if we can play games televised out of hutt with bleachers...then, well u know...

"I think your post came out a little bit more defensive than you might have intended. "

May be so fam... my intention was to use your post as a springboard to highlight certain issues. Nuthin but love for your work homesqueeze. With respectable and prolific contributors like yourself its all about the discourse. Im just gonna keep putting facts into the ether.

"and not any of the other issues that you are expanding upon. "

And purely in the spirit of debate, I am justified in addressing your " and (face it) " point about auckland however...in stating that i simply dont understand how anyone can consider them as an expansion option period, let alone placing them above other failed franchises/expansion areas that should be revisited ie GCU. Maybe im in the minority, but it just seems counterintuitive to me, at best, and complete and utter madness, at worst.

I am genuinely perplexed

On the question of infrastructure I prefer Lakeside over Hutt Recreational ground. However, the Phoenix home ground is Westpac Stadium. That's what the comparison should be. Saying that Lakeside is better that Hutt Recreational ground is like saying that Lakeside is better than Jubilee Oval where Sydney FC have played in the HAL. If Sydney wanted to make that their home ground they would certainly need to be improvements. As an alternate ground it is fine. 

 

Hmmm.  a cavernous empty shithole with zero atmosphere is probably not the best example to be drawn.

Im clearly talking apples and apples. A big part of Souths allure is their boutique stadium as opposed to playing out of aami or etihad . Thats one point.

The other point is that hutt looks a hell of a lot better than cake tin on air, sure their home ground is westapc but fat lotta good that's doing them or much more importantly, fat lotta good its doing our TV product..,,,and here we are actually already utilising apparently unfinished boutique stadium, in hutt, to play and televise our games out of.... 

Edit. If hutt is already good enough for our product then sure as shit lakeside is.

You don't have to convince me - you have to convince the FFA. They want a certain standard of infrastructure for the main games. Lakeside at the moment doesn't fit. That doesn't mean it would cost the earth to at least put in temporary seating at both ends.

"They want a certain standard of infrastructure for the main games."

Yes they have set the standard with hutt.


"Lakeside at the moment doesn't fit."

Yes in the same way hutt doesnt fit. but it didnt stop them solving the "problem" overnight and televising games out of it. its disingemous to say one is fit and the other isnt. 

For the main stadium - not the alternate stadium. Complaining about the FFAs action is not going to change their opinion while you are outside the HAL. Conform to their infrastructure requirements, even at a temporary cost to get in - then argue the case when you are in to lower your expenses.

So by your logic a third melbourne team has to play out of etihad??

My logic is a boutique stadium is fine for a-league. And Thats smfcs point of difference. 

Not to mention adelaide play out of one. Your idea that everything has to be on an etihad scale isnt necesaerily viable  or sustainable for any and all expansion clubs. and it not like your club exactly plays out of a westpac size arena anyway. 

This is what I think the 16 teams by around 2022 in the A-League should be;
Current Teams: 2016-2017 season.
1.Melbourne Victory- Aami Park & Etihad Stadium
2.Melbourne City- Aami Park
3.Sydney FC- Allianz Stadium
4.Western Sydney Wanderers- Parramatta Stadium or Spotless Stadium & ANZ Stadium
5.Brisbane Roar- Suncorp Stadium
6.Adelaide United- Hindmarsh Stadium & Adelaide Oval
7.Perth Glory- NIB Stadium and Perth Stadium
8.Central Coast Mariners- Central Coast Stadium
9.Newcastle Jets- Hunter Stadium
10.Wellington Phoenix- Westpac Stadium

Expansion Teams by 2021-2022 season.
1- Auckland City FC- Mt Smart Stadium, reasoning behind this: Auckland has a rather large population, similar to the population of Adelaide so I think they most definitely need a team in the A-League. Also, it would be great for another New Zealand team so Wellington Phoenix have a rival, which would be great for a New Zealand derby which could attract a large crowd to grow the game in New Zealand.

2- Wollongong Wolves- WIN Stadium, reasoning behind this: Just like Western Sydney, Wollongong has a large soccer population. This would be great for the people of Wollongong to have a team so they don't have to travel far to support a team. WIN Stadium also is getting a Stadium Redevelopment (I think at least) and it would be a perfect stadium for soccer to be held at.

3- Canberra Olympic- Canberra Stadium, reasoning behind this- Canberra is the capital city of Australia, but doesn't have a soccer team in the A-League. It also has a larger population than two other A-League teams; Central Coast Mariners (Gosford), and Newcastle Jets (Newcastle). Canberra Stadium just like WIN Stadium is a very good stadium for soccer to be played at.

4- Sunshine Coast FC- Stockland Park, reasoning behind this- Brisbane needs a second team. Another derby in a big city in Australia would be great for the growth of the A-League and for the growth of the game in Brisbane. Stockland Park is a very good stadium for soccer and with just a little upgrade to fit another 10,000 more people Sunshine Coast FC would be a great team to enter the A-League.

5- Geelong FC- Kardinia Park, reasoning behind this- Geelong is a very sporty city. They love their AFL but once the AFL season ends, there really isn't much to do. If they create an A-League team which plays over the summer that isn't when the AFL is on, the people of Geelong will have a team to support and watch during the summer months. When Melbourne Victory last played in Geelong, they got a bumper crowd of above 20,000 people which shows that Geelong is a great city for soccer.

6- Tasmania United- North Hobart Oval & Blundstone Arena, reasoning behind this- From the recent news that a consortium regarding a Tasmanian team in the A-League, Tasmania havea high chance of joining the A-League. With much finanical support and Tasmania being a sporty state, Tasmania would be ideal for an A-League team. Also, North Hobart Oval is very atmospheric which would be awesome to watch Tasmania United play at.

Thank you for reading. :)

Wtf are you talking about? im a mvfc fan.

Since when is raising a balanced and sound argumant construed as "complaining"? . you need to read a dictionary once in a while. dont falsely represent my comments.


"Conform to their infrastructure requirements" 

Ok youre quite happy to talk yourself into a circle? i repeat, HUTT IS THE STANDARD. i didnt make it the standard. FFA did when they televised hal games out of it. 

Bit of a stretch getting that a third Melbourne team has to play out of Etihad out of what I said. No my logic is that you need to install temporary seating. Adelaide play out of a 16500 stadium with a seated capacity of 15000. CCM play out of an all seater 20059. The FFA will put up with some non-standing on the main grounds a la Adelaide and Newcastle. Their standards on alternate grounds is lower - see Hutt Recreational. If you want Lakeside to be the main stadium it needs to be a much greater ratio of seating to non-seating.

GIO Stadium, WIN Stadium, Kardinia Park, Robina Stadium all fit the criteria. If SMFC put in temporary seating so will they (as well as bringing the crowds closer to the action).

Denner,
Interesting choice in the Sunshine Coast.
In time this will be a huge region.There are big development plans there including Aura south of Caloundra,for 50k people,the new Maroochydore CBD and the Newport area.When a train line is built to Caloundra and light rail along Nicklin Way,maybe they will be ready for a team.You could then easily get public transport to Stock land Park from Brisbane.
At the moment though the Gold Coast has better infrastructure and a bigger population ,more Football registrations and more successful Football clubs .So for me GC before SC.
For the Gold Coast, people need to block Fat Bastard out of their memories. He would have left scorched earth wherever he owned a Football Club.
Then there is North Queensland.Rugby League has shown a regional team can work in Queensland,despite a small population.Townsville has less than 200k people.
One thing for sure is that Qld,based on registrations alone,need another team somewhere.

The reason I didn't put in Gold Coast is because of their failure last time they were in the A-League with Gold Coast, same reason aswell for Cairns/Townsville with North Queensland Fury. But yeah what you were saying with the Marochydore and Newport area I agree with though.

I'm not sure that Tasmania is the right place for next expansion in a sense that it won't add much in a TV deal sense, or at least as much as a South Melbourne or third Sydney. Having said that, if the model is right and they are the best candidate then sure.