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+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness.
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+x+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness. That looks a good model. I think the NPL clubs would want it to reach the people to help their own agemdas.
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It seems like the revolt that the likes of Slater was talking about was assuming this, regardless i wouldnt celebrate until anything gets off the ground.
Great to see our football community come together, action speaks louder than words.
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+xIt seems like the revolt that the likes of Slater was talking about was assuming this, regardless i wouldnt celebrate until anything gets off the ground. Great to see our football community come together, action speaks louder than words. Exactly.
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+x+xSo what will this magical 2nd division league going to be name? A-League B???. No way. Not B League hopefully. National Australia League, National Football League, Australian Premier league or something like that. Anyweay, these are just minor details. What is important, is that they come up with a framework, and hopefully with the FFAs full cooperation. If everyone works together, then this will be the best outcome for all involved including the A League. Follow the J-League model and called it A-League 2.
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Just imagine if this real league starting getting more fans attending than the A-League. Of course they may not get near the big derbies but they could reach the crowds of the lower teams for sure. This is probably why FFA will do everything it can to stop this, they do not like to be embarrassed.
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+x+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness. You do realize the NSL has crowds in the hundreds not thousands. These crowds are usually die-hard supporters or members so in effect they would need to grow the game by about 80 to 90 percent, this requires capital and a lot of it. Not sure where that capital is going to come from. I spoke to someone at one of the NSL clubs and they suggested that this more about them being part of the process (A-league) so it is not seeking to rival the league but complement it. They sense a change is emerging in the structure and want to make sure they will be relevant. Even business anaylsts such as Stensholt see the A-league has a decent product that require tweaks it is the very reason why larger conglomerates are seeking to join the A-league as they see it as a future investment. Suggesting that the NSL will knock off the A-league just makes you sound bitter.
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+x+x+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness. You do realize the NSL has crowds in the hundreds not thousands. These crowds are usually die-hard supporters or members so in effect they would need to grow the game by about 80 to 90 percent, this requires capital and a lot of it. Not sure where that capital is going to come from. I spoke to someone at one of the NSL clubs and they suggested that this more about them being part of the process (A-league) so it is not seeking to rival the league but complement it. They sense a change is emerging in the structure and want to make sure they will be relevant. Even business anaylsts such as Stensholt see the A-league has a decent product that require tweaks it is the very reason why larger conglomerates are seeking to join the A-league as they see it as a future investment. Suggesting that the NSL will knock off the A-league just makes you sound bitter. Suggesting they wouldn't makes you sound like a bitter yourself.
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+xSo Manchester United are an empty shell because the supporters don't own it? And all the other EPL clubs?? And the Socceroos are an empty shell because we don't own it?And the Wallabies are empty shells .,, It's just bizare how football fans can find a reason to hate their own code, it's no wonder the game struggles in this country:- Some HAL supporters criticise NPL for being ethnic clubs - Some NPL supporters criticise the franchise system and use terms like "empty shells"- EuroSnobs hate them both because they're not European Maybe football fans get what we deserve? Did you just compare Man Utd with Wellington Phoenix? What a foolish post. Football fans dont hate their code pal, we hate ths administration, and their separatist elitist model. Get it straight. No one desreves the status quo thus far.. thats why it sruggles.. get real, do you live under a rock? Ps good to see youre still pishing your butthurt narrative from yesterday.
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+x+x+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness. You do realize the NSL has crowds in the hundreds not thousands. These crowds are usually die-hard supporters or members so in effect they would need to grow the game by about 80 to 90 percent, this requires capital and a lot of it. Not sure where that capital is going to come from. I spoke to someone at one of the NSL clubs and they suggested that this more about them being part of the process (A-league) so it is not seeking to rival the league but complement it. They sense a change is emerging in the structure and want to make sure they will be relevant. Even business anaylsts such as Stensholt see the A-league has a decent product that require tweaks it is the very reason why larger conglomerates are seeking to join the A-league as they see it as a future investment. Suggesting that the NSL will knock off the A-league just makes you sound bitter. Why do you keep mentioning the NSL? Nobody is talking about the past here...
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+x+x+x+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness. You do realize the NSL has crowds in the hundreds not thousands. These crowds are usually die-hard supporters or members so in effect they would need to grow the game by about 80 to 90 percent, this requires capital and a lot of it. Not sure where that capital is going to come from. I spoke to someone at one of the NSL clubs and they suggested that this more about them being part of the process (A-league) so it is not seeking to rival the league but complement it. They sense a change is emerging in the structure and want to make sure they will be relevant. Even business anaylsts such as Stensholt see the A-league has a decent product that require tweaks it is the very reason why larger conglomerates are seeking to join the A-league as they see it as a future investment. Suggesting that the NSL will knock off the A-league just makes you sound bitter. Why do you keep mentioning the NSL? Nobody is talking about the past here... I meant NPL. There is no clearly defined national league term and NSL teams are those predominantly playing in the NPL.
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+x+x+x+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness. You do realize the NSL has crowds in the hundreds not thousands. These crowds are usually die-hard supporters or members so in effect they would need to grow the game by about 80 to 90 percent, this requires capital and a lot of it. Not sure where that capital is going to come from. I spoke to someone at one of the NSL clubs and they suggested that this more about them being part of the process (A-league) so it is not seeking to rival the league but complement it. They sense a change is emerging in the structure and want to make sure they will be relevant. Even business anaylsts such as Stensholt see the A-league has a decent product that require tweaks it is the very reason why larger conglomerates are seeking to join the A-league as they see it as a future investment. Suggesting that the NSL will knock off the A-league just makes you sound bitter. Suggesting they wouldn't makes you sound like a bitter yourself. Ok sure. I actually hope it gets off the ground and works, would be great to have more pathways for people.
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If the FFA board is currently 90% state federation controlled and the state federations are 100% behind this, then Gallop and Lowy are farked. If they decide to not do it, they will get kicked out by the board. Actually, sounds like they're farked either way.
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+xIf the FFA board is currently 90% state federation controlled and the state federations are 100% behind this, then Gallop and Lowy are farked. If they decide to not do it, they will get kicked out by the board. Actually, sounds like they're farked either way. Well, yeah. If this doesn't happen they still have FIFA and the AFC to contend with. The best thing to happen to football is the nepotism that has been imposed on it. Stephen is a weak leader and it shows. When I heard what he said on the Daily Show about chosing to NOT review the last 11 years and how that lost the room the dots connected. He is why we are at this point. Him and Gallop have dropped the ball big time and I thank them for it because there is no going back from here.
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+x+xIf the FFA board is currently 90% state federation controlled and the state federations are 100% behind this, then Gallop and Lowy are farked. If they decide to not do it, they will get kicked out by the board. Actually, sounds like they're farked either way. Well, yeah. If this doesn't happen they still have FIFA and the AFC to contend with. The best thing to happen to football is the nepotism that has been imposed on it. Stephen is a weak leader and it shows. When I heard what he said on the Daily Show about chosing to NOT review the last 11 years and how that lost the room the dots connected. He is why we are at this point. Him and Gallop have dropped the ball big time and I thank them for it because there is no going back from here. Do you have a link? Doesnt surprise me though, the utter caustic and damaging rhetoric that has come out of that guys mouth, his dad included, beggars belief. They should be nowhere remotely near running football in this country. #LowyOut
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+x+x+xIf the FFA board is currently 90% state federation controlled and the state federations are 100% behind this, then Gallop and Lowy are farked. If they decide to not do it, they will get kicked out by the board. Actually, sounds like they're farked either way. Well, yeah. If this doesn't happen they still have FIFA and the AFC to contend with. The best thing to happen to football is the nepotism that has been imposed on it. Stephen is a weak leader and it shows. When I heard what he said on the Daily Show about chosing to NOT review the last 11 years and how that lost the room the dots connected. He is why we are at this point. Him and Gallop have dropped the ball big time and I thank them for it because there is no going back from here. Do you have a link? Doesnt surprise me though, the utter caustic and damaging rhetoric that has come out of that guys mouth, his dad included, beggars belief. They should be nowhere remotely near running football in this country. #LowyOut https://audioboom.com/posts/5692794-former-ffa-board-member-socceroo-legend-jack-reilly-on-the-state-of-the-game?t=0
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+x+x+x+xIf the FFA board is currently 90% state federation controlled and the state federations are 100% behind this, then Gallop and Lowy are farked. If they decide to not do it, they will get kicked out by the board. Actually, sounds like they're farked either way. Well, yeah. If this doesn't happen they still have FIFA and the AFC to contend with. The best thing to happen to football is the nepotism that has been imposed on it. Stephen is a weak leader and it shows. When I heard what he said on the Daily Show about chosing to NOT review the last 11 years and how that lost the room the dots connected. He is why we are at this point. Him and Gallop have dropped the ball big time and I thank them for it because there is no going back from here. Do you have a link? Doesnt surprise me though, the utter caustic and damaging rhetoric that has come out of that guys mouth, his dad included, beggars belief. They should be nowhere remotely near running football in this country. #LowyOut https://audioboom.com/posts/5692794-former-ffa-board-member-socceroo-legend-jack-reilly-on-the-state-of-the-game?t=0 Cheers big ears. 👍
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+xJust imagine if this real league starting getting more fans attending than the A-League. Of course they may not get near the big derbies but they could reach the crowds of the lower teams for sure. This is probably why FFA will do everything it can to stop this, they do not like to be embarrassed. can only hope. more teams with p/r in the lower tiers and, it's all on fta. it would get some serious attention. i would be watching and going to games.
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+x+x+x+xIf the FFA board is currently 90% state federation controlled and the state federations are 100% behind this, then Gallop and Lowy are farked. If they decide to not do it, they will get kicked out by the board. Actually, sounds like they're farked either way. Well, yeah. If this doesn't happen they still have FIFA and the AFC to contend with. The best thing to happen to football is the nepotism that has been imposed on it. Stephen is a weak leader and it shows. When I heard what he said on the Daily Show about chosing to NOT review the last 11 years and how that lost the room the dots connected. He is why we are at this point. Him and Gallop have dropped the ball big time and I thank them for it because there is no going back from here. Do you have a link? Doesnt surprise me though, the utter caustic and damaging rhetoric that has come out of that guys mouth, his dad included, beggars belief. They should be nowhere remotely near running football in this country. #LowyOut https://audioboom.com/posts/5692794-former-ffa-board-member-socceroo-legend-jack-reilly-on-the-state-of-the-game?t=0 Oohh. Scathing assessment by Jack Reily. and quite rightly so. He ripped them from top to bottom. Riley says all of the things we can only dream FFA were saying. A real pragmatist. And wow at Lowy losing the room at vuck lunch. How did he think that it was gonna go over. You cant be that out of touch with reality.
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good hopefully some online streaming available
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+x+x+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness. You do realize the NSL has crowds in the hundreds not thousands. These crowds are usually die-hard supporters or members so in effect they would need to grow the game by about 80 to 90 percent, this requires capital and a lot of it. Not sure where that capital is going to come from. I spoke to someone at one of the NSL clubs and they suggested that this more about them being part of the process (A-league) so it is not seeking to rival the league but complement it. They sense a change is emerging in the structure and want to make sure they will be relevant. Even business anaylsts such as Stensholt see the A-league has a decent product that require tweaks it is the very reason why larger conglomerates are seeking to join the A-league as they see it as a future investment. Suggesting that the NSL will knock off the A-league just makes you sound bitter. No the NSL had much greater crowds than that. I know people like to quote the last 2 seasons where the NSL was staggering to foreclosure, but before that it was achieving crowds in the thousands. Some teams like Perth Glory were averaging 16K per game. SMFC were averaging about 10k per game.
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+x+x+x+x+xOne thing I find interesting and that might play on the FFA's mind is that a National 2nd division could potentially provide serious competition to the a-league unless the a-league opened itself up and embraced the tier system. Imagine a second division with no salary cap or floor, with free coverage(whether SBS/FTA or streaming), with promotion and relegation between divisions. This would be the dream situation. The model would be very successful too, and it would be a challenge to the A League as well because effectively, every NPL fan will follow this league because tomorrow, it could be their club playing in the league. I also doubt the FFA will let them institute such a model out of fear that it would prove successful and highlight all the FFA's in-competencies, and narrow-mindedness. You do realize the NSL has crowds in the hundreds not thousands. These crowds are usually die-hard supporters or members so in effect they would need to grow the game by about 80 to 90 percent, this requires capital and a lot of it. Not sure where that capital is going to come from. I spoke to someone at one of the NSL clubs and they suggested that this more about them being part of the process (A-league) so it is not seeking to rival the league but complement it. They sense a change is emerging in the structure and want to make sure they will be relevant. Even business anaylsts such as Stensholt see the A-league has a decent product that require tweaks it is the very reason why larger conglomerates are seeking to join the A-league as they see it as a future investment. Suggesting that the NSL will knock off the A-league just makes you sound bitter. Why do you keep mentioning the NSL? Nobody is talking about the past here... I meant NPL. There is no clearly defined national league term and NSL teams are those predominantly playing in the NPL. OK so you meant the NPL. these crowds in the NPL as it stands today are pretty much an irrelevance. If MVFC were in the NPL, they may only get a few hundred to their games as well. When there isn't much to play for, no advertising or marketing, then there is not much anyone can expect. In the FFA Cup, many NPL teams like Bentleigh Greens were getting quite reasonable crowds which would be good to see in the Tier 2.
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if this happens and its fully professional I would back us to be a top 20 team within 10 years.
Very exciting if it goes through
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For those saying this is the future not the past of the NSL...I just can't believe that. Its essentially the same bunch of idiots in control. I went to hundreds of NSL games, this smacks of an exact repeat. I know we all want to remember the glory days, but the reality of it is that those games were park matches on a wednesday afternoon between mates compared to what we have now in a professional sense. The same infighting and political bullshit that has plagued the state leagues for decades will continue, why would it suddenly come to a screeching halt?
If you want a true second division with existing clubs then the state federations need to be scrapped and a due diligence done on every board of every single club. They would have to be economically scrutinised as well as corruption in many of these clubs is what has always prevented them from being truly a professional success, just as it was in their NSL days.
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+x as corruption in many of these clubs is what has always prevented them from being truly a professional success, just as it was in their NSL days. They'll get relegated....................
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+xFor those saying this is the future not the past of the NSL...I just can't believe that. Its essentially the same bunch of idiots in control. I went to hundreds of NSL games, this smacks of an exact repeat. I know we all want to remember the glory days, but the reality of it is that those games were park matches on a wednesday afternoon between mates compared to what we have now in a professional sense. The same infighting and political bullshit that has plagued the state leagues for decades will continue, why would it suddenly come to a screeching halt? If you want a true second division with existing clubs then the state federations need to be scrapped and a due diligence done on every board of every single club. They would have to be economically scrutinised as well as corruption in many of these clubs is what has always prevented them from being truly a professional success, just as it was in their NSL days. All I know, from going to hundreds of matches in the NSL, is that the older players of the NSL were more technical and skillful to what we have today. We actually had class players back in the day. And no, you can't deny 125 clubs their right to exist. It's a basic Human Right fundamental that these clubs deserve their stake, their vote and their slice of the action. As to corruption, the corruption we see today really does take the cake. And yes, we have the relegation rule. Survival of the fittest. not survival of everyone year in year out serving rubbish football. Going back to a totalitarian system like the one you propose just isn't right in this day and age in democratic and liberal Australia.
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How can you argue NPL wouldn't work at a national level when it works in each state?
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+xHow can you argue NPL wouldn't work at a national level when it works in each state? yeh, the only difference to begin with is likely just to be travel costs. Which in this day and age, isn't a lot of money because airfares are cheap. Throw in a QANTAS or Virgin sponsorship and these costs can be wiped out.
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You still have hotels but I think that is part of the argument - why are we paying we paying x? We could use this money to enable a 2nd division
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