That and the 3.5 years left of a 5 year contract.

Suncorp looks shit on tv BUT all the transport goes to Suncorp, it was designed that way, so trains, busses, even the City Cat ferries get you there.

Inside the stadium there’s plenty of clean toilets, plenty of food bars, plenty of alcohol bars, and there’s big screen tvs for replays.

Ballymore - definitely none of the above.

Perry Park - none of the above

QSAC - none of the above.

So Suncorp isn’t shit for Roar fans, it’s shit for the tv viewer, and it is the only option for now.

*Looks around cautiously..
Ballymore? Lol

I believe you lol. 

Neither. I haven't bothered much. It's boring to watch at home. 

suncorp must be horrible for brisbane fans.
too big , rent is high

are there any alternatives ?

Don't shoot the messenger :)

I can't vouch for the crowd figure since I haven't been going to games but I can usually tell at the game if the figure is true or not.

Normally you can tell when the near bench side is empty as well. One of those crowds that you could probably count if you were bored..same as the city/victory games on the weekend.

Bullshit. There was barely 5. 

7,826 = Roar v Sydney Fc

I think O'Neill's model was a stepping stone. He was simply laying the foundation

It worked for its time and worked well. Anybody who could remember football in 2004 would never have thought we would see 50k attend a regular H/A game 2 years later

The problem is the FFA never progressed and O'Neill was never around long enough to progress it in the direction he would have

IMO O'Neill is the only adaptable sports administrator the game has seen since the FFA took over. Everybody else is a one trick pony with a DIY AFL kit

Actually we got the Super Rugby franchise model reworked by John O'Neill for our circumstances.  They developed it in 1995 when O'Neill became CEO of the ARU and when Rugby was professionalised.

Exactly, its called the Westfield model. We know how that works, and where the money is!

Change to the operating model needed. HAL owners are basically tenants at this point

^^^
I’m against oval venues but this is just silly. The AO gf was fantastic with 50k there. Better than an empty Hindmarsh.

Club owned stadia has to be a long term plan. We have to deal with the fact we don’t have that sort of asset or capital at the moment. P&r could help promote investment in the lower tier stadiums but I’m not sure anyone has got any modelling or evidence of this. What we have is what we have. Not that we shouldn’t be pushing for change.

At the end of the day, an empty football stadium is better than a full cricket ground.

You're right, they just play in empty stadiums :)

True, he did say he had initiatives (plural)

Except Sydney don't play on Cricket grounds.

No different to a Sydney game

Hopefully Geelong games are off the cards. I turned it off as the stadium completely destroyed the atmosphere. A bit like a Wellington game.

Tbf "The Chase" hasn't started yet. Metric will go through the roof

Looks like the mid-season dropoff has begun... I wonder how low we'll go this time around. 

Hark !

Is that the sound of sleigh bells ?

No, that's Greg O'Rourke clearing his desk.

Qatar Airways v Wellington 5,207
SOURCE: Ultimate a league.  

Melbourne v CCM 8,370 
SOURCE: Ultimate a league. 

Perth v Adelaide - 9069 (HAL website)

11,189 at Suncorp.  as per Daily Telegraph.

Entirely incorrect

The FFA have started with an AFL model and that's the path they want to go down. 5 years ago the FFA had a $17m a year TV deal to sustain it (and all other parts of the game), and during the latest negotiations they said they hoped for $80m a year and it wont be enough for expansion

When the FFA started Lowy said "give me $15m and I will run football". And that's all that's required. The fact of it is the league can be run with $1 if the clubs picked up all the other costs. And (hypothetically) why couldn't they when they each have their own regions, commercial opportunities, fan bases, owners, investors etc...

The risk of that of course is if a club went bust we lose games each week and possibly breach our TV deal. So the FFA need to mitigate this by a handout to clubs that represents the minimal costs of running a club so no damage if a club folds - even with crowds of zero. We achieved this milestone when clubs received a $2.5m handout in the previous TV deal

But now clubs are asking for six fucking million dollars. And the administration costs of the league are seven fucking million (despite being $2m in other countries). You cant honestly tell me the FFA have done cost modeling and concluded that the league that costs $80m to sustain in its current format is the best way forward

The "demon" 2 tier structure of blindly copying Europe to help sustain erections (which just happens to be in every other country except USA and Australia) is the most cost efficient model. It takes the cost burden off the central body and puts it on the clubs, and rewards those who invest the most and bring the most revenue to the game. There is a definite filter down effect as we see in Germany where the top 5 clubs get a bigger portion of the revenue because they are attracting the most interest and generating the most income

There is a reason why Malaysia even has P/R and why countries that don't have a $50m TV deal and $100m in annual revenue can achieve it also

People who follow the AFL model don't understand P/R. To them it means a franchise of the current size and structure in a second tier, paid for by attendances. They don't understand the trickle down effect even though it is clearly evident in the current system

It is undeniable the big 4-5 clubs in Australia will drive the league to new heights and generate much more interest and revenue. The cost burden on the league would be a hell of a lot less and clubs at the foot of the table wont be looking for $6m to run a club. The FFA have done little in terms of number crunching. They brought the answer from the AFL / NRL and have spent the last few years trying to cram this square peg in the round hole

@ jatz

Yup, I’m prepared to accept there’s some assumptions in there. And I don’t have the answers but I’m also sure the ffa don’t either. That’s why the broadening of the Congress is important - no one group or person can have all the answers