AFC: Sydney vs Suwon


AFC: Sydney vs Suwon

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vanlassen - 15 Feb 2018 2:44 PM
Angus - 15 Feb 2018 6:19 AM

Simon did run from one side of the field to the other simply to kick the shit out of one of the Suwon players and up until that point of the game, no one else had done that.

You made me laugh. Simon's ability to injure is so UGG like.

On the game, now Sydney have had their arrogance removed they may come out and play with a bit of speed - although I thought being held scoreless by our youngsters would have done it.
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Tactically dominated.. Arnie read like a book by the Suwon manager... that's the thing with the A-league teams just find a plan and stick to it then get dominated in ACL. Rotating fouls wont work in ACL Arnie.
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OGNENOVSKI TO ARNOLD: “YOU HAVE ROCKS IN YOUR HEAD”

Graham Arnold preferred the intimidation factor of his front-three imports – Bobo, Milos Ninkovic and Adrian Mierzejewski – to the solid defending of Dutchman Jordy Buijs, leaving the latter out of his squad for the ACL.

The decision came back to bite Arnold when Sydney were defeated 2-0 in their opening group match against Suwon Bluewings, with Buijs’ replacement, Aaron Calver, somewhat at fault for both goals.

Former Socceroo Ognenovski was scathing on Arnold’s decision, saying the Sydney boss must have “rocks” in his head.

“Essentially what’s happened is that Arnie has gone into Asia believing his attacking players are better than those he’s up against in the ACL,” he told The World Game.

“If that’s what you think then you have rocks in your head.

“If you believe you can have a shootout with the Asian teams, you’re going to lose. They punish any mistakes, they are ruthless. It’s very different to the A-League.”

Ognenovski pointed out the success of Adelaide United in 2008 and Western Sydney in 2014 were based on defensive football.

“These teams are not tactically better than Graham Arnold, it’s just that they have more fire power,” he said.

“That’s where you have to be smart tactically to overcome the talent gap, just as Western Sydney Wanderers did in winning the competition in 2014.

“We also made final with Adelaide playing defensive football. Sydney have dominated in the A-League but it all changes in the ACL.

“Having lost at home now it’s going to be really tough to get out of the group, especially with their next two games against the strongest two teams.”

Sydney FC now face fixtures against J-League side Kashima Antlers and Chinese Super League club Shanghai Shenhua – which boast the attacking stocks of Obafemi Martins and Fredy Guarin – to get their campaign back on track.

Ognenovski said Sydney would have to reclaim their defensive solidity if they were to stand a chance.

“Jordi forms a great partnership with Alex Wilkinson and you’ve broken that spine and put a kid in who’s probably not up to A-League standard,” he contended.

“You’ve put him in and said ‘this is your chance to shine’ but then it hasn’t worked.

“And now you’re thinking what do I do now?

“Knowing Graham Arnold as a coach, it’s even stranger that he’s taken this path because I know how much emphasis he puts on defense.

“I was just shocked not to see Buijs selected. He takes corners and free-kicks and is such an important player for Sydney.”

https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/ognenovski-to-arnold-you-have-rocks-in-your-head-485324
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scott21 - 14 Feb 2018 11:43 PM
TheSelectFew - 14 Feb 2018 9:32 PM

Yes indeed



I change it so that the order is club points. To update this Aus got 1 point from MV draw and Thai 1 point for their draw. 
As you will notice we are .450 points ahead of Thailand for the last 4 years of ACL. We have a bonus gap of 6.5 points atm because up til 2021 FIFA world rankings are involved. 

2015  CCM didnt make it, 2016 AU didnt make it, 2018 BR didnt make it. 

Now we are below MV didnt get any points yesterday, SFC play today and so do Buriram.
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A-League teams in ACL exposes alarming trend that could hurt Australia: Simon Hill

Simon Hill | FOX SPORTS

THERE’S a bit of a pattern developing around Australian clubs annual tilt at the Asian Champions League.

There’s due respect given to qualifying for the regions flagship competition, followed by mild hype when the draw comes out.

Normally, that’s replaced by apathy when the actual games kick in – followed by collective hand-wringing if, as has been the case more often than not of late, A-League clubs struggle to get results.

But are we sleep walking into a more significant problem? Do we need to put renewed focus on our relationship with Asia?

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Australia and AFC have always been rather uncomfortable bedfellows. Some in West Asia in particular, fought our admittance pretty hard in the first place, and such attitudes have barely softened since.

Australia’s regular qualification for World Cups has irked some Gulf nations especially, and there is a general feeling (fairly or unfairly) that the nations relationship with Asia is based mainly on take, and not much give.

Politically, FFA’s decision to turn against AFC President Sheikh Salman’s candidacy in the FIFA Presidential election of 2015 wasn’t especially well received. The current impasse over the congress isn’t exactly a good look either.

Australian performances in the Champions League have waxed and waned down the years, but the introduction of a new system in 2021 could spell trouble.

Melbourne Victory have one point from their opening two ACL games.Melbourne Victory have one point from their opening two ACL games.Picture: AFP
Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold during his side’s loss to Suwon Bluewings.Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold during his side’s loss to Suwon Bluewings.Picture: Getty Images

Under a new ranking system, results at club level will no longer be mixed with that of the national team to find a member association’s coefficient – the basis upon which Champions League slots are awarded.

As things stand in East Asia, if Australian entries were based upon current club performances in the last four years only, then we’ve slipped behind Thailand in the crucial fourth place, with China, South Korea and Japan occupying the top three spots.

There would automatically follow a reduction in Champions League slots to one, plus two in the play-offs.

Is this too alarmist? After all, there’s still three years to go before the new system kicks in.

But recent Champions League results don’t make for pleasant reading.

AFC's co-efficient based on Champions League performances.AFC's co-efficient based on Champions League performances.Picture: Supplied

Since Western Sydney Wanderers won the title in 2014, Australian teams have played 54 matches in the competition, winning just 15, drawing 14 and losing 25.

Of those 15 wins, only four have come in the last 22 outings, and during that period, A-League teams have conceded a whopping 63 goals – an average of almost three per game.

From the 12 Australian teams that have competed in the ACL since the Wanderers’ famous win, only Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory have made it out of the group stage (both in 2016) – although there is still time for the same two clubs to qualify in 2018.

Neither went further than the Round of 16.

By contrast, our big regional rivals, China, Japan and South Korea, have each had seven qualifications from the group phase – and clubs from those nations have won each of the last three Champions League titles (Guangzhou Evergrande in 2015, Jeonbuk Motors in 2016 and Urawa Red Diamonds in 2017).

Adding further to Australia’s complicated relationship with Asia is the clubs reluctance to implement the 3+1 ruling that is common right around the continent.

Jumpei Kusukami of the Wanderers.Jumpei Kusukami of the Wanderers.Picture: Getty Images

As things stand, following the departure of Jumpei Kusukami and Ali Abbas, there isn’t a single AFC-qualified non-Australian player at any of the 10 A-League clubs.

Yet many Australians have benefited from the 3+1 - earning good money in the Asian leagues.

No fewer than 10 will play in the Korean and Japanese competitions in 2018 – and although there won’t be any in the Chinese Super League, many have played there in the past, such as Trent Sainsbury, Ryan McGowan, Apostolos Giannou and Tim Cahill.

In fairness to FFA, the governing body has pushed for a 4+1 ruling which they previously announced will be introduced for the 2018-19 season. FFA has also tried to help the clubs with better fixturing and split rounds in domestic games to help their Champions League cause.

But just as Australia heaps pressure on Wellington Phoenix for their under-performance in the domestic competition, so we need to recognise our need to play our part in Asia, where we (like the Phoenix) are the outsiders.

Last week, pundits on Fox Sports Asia were highly critical of Australian club performances – the basic gist being that A-League outfits “didn’t care” about the Champions League.

That is an unfair assumption – but it’s easy to see how they arrive at that conclusion after the debacle in Brisbane, where the numbers were literally falling off Brisbane Roar players’ shirts.

All of which makes Sydney FC’s game in Shanghai tonight so important. The dominant club in the domestic league needs to show the A-League not only cares, but can compete.

Numbers falling off jerseys might be embarrassing, but the wheels falling off completely would not send the right message to Asia.
A-League teams in ACL exposes alarming trend that could hurt Australia: Simon Hill


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