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Great read and some very interesting points made by Reilly.  

Not so sure about South and Marconi being the way forward for the HAL, but many of his other suggestions/observations seem spot on.
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Jack Reilly on the way ahead

Jack Reilly says 'public opinion' has a better understanding of where the game should be heading than the current FFA Board

25 July 2018 | Roger Sleeman

http://footballtoday.news/features/jack-reilly-on-the-way-ahead

When former Socceroo goalkeeper, Jack Reilly, received his marching orders from the FFA Board in an email from former chairman Frank Lowy in June 2013, it was with a sense of trepidation and severe disappointment that he had been denied his ambition to secure the future of the game.

Like many former players who have been shunned by the administration, Reilly gravitated away from the game, but in recent times his conscience reminded him it needed rapid reform and overhaul.

With plunging interest in the A-League, the loss of market share to Big Bash cricket in the summer and another World Cup failure to get past the group stage, Jack Reilly wants to take the game to the people to gain concensus about the direction it should take.

The man who worked as a stockbroker with J.B.Were and Capel Court, chaired the Council of Authorised Money Market Dealers which liases with the Reserve Bank on national liquidity, and acted as an adviser to Jeff Kennett, Paul Keating and John Howard on economic policy, is now ready to lead change in Australian football.

Roger Sleeman

In the midst of a wonderful World Cup in Russia, Australian football still pursued a path of self – destruction with the announcement of levy increases for amateur players. Your comment?

Jack Reilly

Unfortunately, there are still many people with self- interest making these decisions and a matter so important should’ve been open to debate from all parties to decide if an increase in the levies was justified.

The sad fact is, the grass roots are compensating for the $3.6 billion spent on the A-League since its inception and the resultant $310 million lost by the A- League clubs.

Critically, monies are being scattered in the wrong directions.

Sleeman

What was your take on the statement issued earlier this month (on 6 July) defending the decision to raise the levies?

Reilly

Due to the precarious financial position of the FFA, the increase in levies was an easy option. However, the FFA is the end beneficiary and as the governing body, they should ensure monies are being used in the right manner.

Sleeman

If the FFA is financially hamstrung, how can it justify the employment of 105 full time employees and at least 38 support staff* in Russia during the World Cup?

Reilly

From the time I sat on the FFA Board in 2007, till the time I departed in mid-2013, I queried when there would be a total review of the organisational structure and expenditure commitments. 

On the day I left, it still hadn’t happened. The problem remains, the management is not accountable on or off the field. 

Sleeman

Since the FFA commenced operations, there have  been a succession of well-meaning CEOs who had little or no background in our sport. Would other major sports in our country contemplate such a process?

Reilly

All of those people had capability in their own right but the major problem is, there has never been a sufficient spread of talents and skills at the FFA.

Football and business skills are needed to maximise the outcomes required taking the game forward and these are issues which have to be addressed.

Also, none of these CEOs received the correct instructions, and in the case of Ben Buckley who employed Peter Hargitay to mastermind the World Cup Bid, it has to be questioned whether there was any consultation on this matter or just a directive from above.

Furthermore, when I was on the Board, I was part of a Football Development Committee but nothing ever happened.

Sleeman

The FFA Board, with the exception of Steven Lowy and Danny Moulis, is made up of people who have no history, culture or experience in football matters.

There are many former players who have reached great heights in business, for example, Glen Sterrey who leads 100 employees in the financial planning section of a leading professional accounting firm and Gary Marocchi  who is a highly credentialled structural engineer and principal of a successful business, who would be honoured to serve on the Board. Why aren’t they being considered?

Reilly

There’s simply a protectionist system in place and although the current Board members have good business skills, the question is, how did they get to the positions?

A group of people is needed on the Board who will put a strategy in place, listen to everybody, implement actions and get on with the game.

Nevertheless, there is room for the business professional and former playing professional to serve on the Board.

Sleeman

What is your view of Steven Lowy’s performance as chairman of FFA?

Reilly

We’re now more than two and half years on since the new Board was enacted, but we also have a Congress consisting of eight people representing four different interest groups.

The current Board has still failed to review the last 13 years of the A-League and to answer your original question, there is simply no plan in place.

Sleeman

In view of the FIFA interest in the FFA Congress, can the current Board be returned after the November elections?

Reilly

Whether the current Board members will be retained is an unknown at this point in time.

Sleeman

Will the FFA take the necessary steps to ensure corporate governance in Australian football is transparent and all stakeholders are allowed to contribute to the wellbeing of the game?

Reilly

After David Gallop had been in the job for eight weeks, he submitted a 14-page document at a Board meeting on corporate governance, because at the time, he was the Deputy Chairman of the Australian Sports Commission. He asked the Board members to bring comments back to the next meeting so I made mine on my copy.

At the next meeting, the paper wasn’t on the agenda and when I asked why, I was told all discussion had been stopped.

I brought this to the attention of the Chairman of the Sports Commission who informed me we had received 2/5 for corporate governance yet the Chairman of the FFA refused to do anything about it.

Sleeman

What is your evaluation of the PFA’s performance in advancing the game?

Reilly

Diabolical!!

Players in Australia are pitched to be ultra-special and they are far from that.

Look at the rewards the Socceroos have received which are far too much for their talent. If they’re earning big money with their clubs, they should be playing for their country for nothing.

Think of the parents who are paying between $1,000 and $3,000 for their kids to play elite football yet money is being expended at the top level like it’s gone out of style.

I’ve no problem with an incentive system where players would receive bonuses after progressing through each phase of a tournament but suffice to say, I received $1,700 for playing in the 1974 World Cup.  

Sleeman

You have made many recommendations, especially when you were on the Board, as to the path which should be followed to maximise success at youth level. What is wrong with our youth development and national team programs?

Reilly

After the Mexico U-17 World Cup in 2011, as the head of the Delegation from the FFA, I wrote a brutal report to the Board about our poor performance.

I sought feedback from the other Board members and they claimed they hadn’t seen the report. I rang CEO, Ben Buckley, and asked where my report was and he replied he wouldn’t be distributing it. I asked why and he replied it would set a precedent.

This proved there was a total lack of accountability which continues today.

There should be a six monthly review of all coaching programs and personnel and in selecting coaches we have to improve our methodology in appointing people, rather than providing 'jobs for the boys'.

Also, we must open up opportunities for young players to play at the highest level and the case in point was the introduction of Colosimo, Bresciano and Grella when I was involved at Carlton in the National Soccer League.

Sleeman

A few weeks ago, I ventured into the booming Marconi licensed club which now has 50,000 members and is an A- League club waiting to happen. Why hasn’t the FFA explored possibilities like this, rather than accepting bid tenders, many of which have been made by clubs who don’t exist or don’t have a stadium facility?

Reilly

The FFA appears to have vilified the ethnic communities because they have failed to maximise their true value. We simply haven’t had the administration which could build on their past record and huge potential.

Some of the parties bidding for a licence aren’t aware of the real cost whereas clubs like Marconi and  South Melbourne have a phenomenal background and financial base so we should be building on them, not destroying them. 

Sleeman

In view of the current state of the game, would you consider standing for the Board again, and if successful nominate for Chairman?

Reilly

If the people on the FFA Board were willing to recognise public opinion as to where the game should be heading and be held accountable to deliver, I would certainly put my name forward.

Sleeman

If you were successful, how would you unite the former players so they could claim their rightful place in our football landscape?

Reilly

After I left the Board in 2013, I gave a 32-page submission to them for improving the game. I included a comprehensive review of the A-League as a major priority but no action was taken.

I gave the current Board a 12-page overview and never received an answer.

I speak to former players all the time and they want to make constructive contributions but are ignored by the powers that be.

As a former Socceroo, I say it’s now time to listen to their voices and let them assist this game reach its full potential. 





Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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We are down to  1 day till "Presentation Day"
The working committee, present to FIFA by 31 July their recommendations.

How will the FIFA take it?
How will FFA Take it?

Clear Contact There

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Waz - 25 Jul 2018 7:10 AM
What’s required is a top to bottom reform. The states have been complicit in allowing the Lowe’s free reign over football and give QLD say 4 votes instead of 1 and, without reform, they’ll just abuse it. But more votes in the states is part of the answer - QLD has ten divisions (I think) that make up FQ so why not give them all a vote? Or a vote for every area that has 10,000+ registered players (Football Brisbane, Football West etc ...) and then one for the rest? There are ways to do this but it’s all about getting the right behaviours and not allowing the vested self interests of the past 50 years continue

FNSW has 34 District Associations and 9 of them have more than 10k registered players with another 4 over 9k and growing at about 2% that will get to 10k within 6 years.  While giving memberships/votes to strong football regions is a good idea both methods you suggest would result in the FNSW area getting an excessive number of memberships/votes and with the second method nearly all the memberships/votes representing football in the capital cities.

Crawford gave memberships/votes on a sliding scale and while I can't remember the exact split it was something like each state/territory Fed gets 1 plus an additional 1 for greater than 50k registered players and another one for greater than 100k and another for greater than 200k.  This would result in a split of memberships/votes as listed below:-

FNSW - 4
FQld - 2
FFV - 2
NNSWF - 2
FW - 1
FFSA - 1
CF - 1
FFT - 1
FNT - 1

Although I think the sliding scale method is better because it doesn't distort things excessively it still has the inherent weakness that each states votes are tied in a block by their "head office" view rather than representing the differing interests within each Fed and it doesn't have the ability to represent the women's game that accounts for 20%+ of the registered players across the country.


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What’s required is a top to bottom reform. The states have been complicit in allowing the Lowe’s free reign over football and give QLD say 4 votes instead of 1 and, without reform, they’ll just abuse it.

But more votes in the states is part of the answer - QLD has ten divisions (I think) that make up FQ so why not give them all a vote? Or a vote for every area that has 10,000+ registered players (Football Brisbane, Football West etc ...) and then one for the rest?

There are ways to do this but it’s all about getting the right behaviours and not allowing the vested self interests of the past 50 years continue
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AS waz has mentioned earlier, FFA is or should not get a vote.

The stakeholders, elect the board. Or the stakeholders will elect the FFA board.

The object is, to have a wide spread of stakeholders, with no single group having the voting power to dominate the board.

Stakeholders would include but not restricted to, the A-League Clubs, W-League Clubs, PFA, State Feds, Refs, NPL Clubs, Coaches, and so on and so on add more stakeholder groups.
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Not incompetence. Just figuring out how to stack the deck with the least amount of people.
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That works. Although there’s lots of organising needed to get these votes functional, but that’s just more evidence of the FFAs incompetence as it could have been sorted by now.
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Okay so swap FFA Vote and add in 1 vote for Coaches per division linked to the top tier
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The FFA don’t get a seat - they’re not a stakeholder
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I’m sure anything under 20 members won’t cut it for FIFA.

If I had to choose I’d propose something liked

10 - A-league (1 each club)
1 - FFA
1- A-league ceo
2 - Pfa
1 - National team coach of the time
1 - national technical / football director
1+ - physios and medics (1 per division linked to top flight)
1+ - referees (1 per division linked to top flight
2 - supporters/fans groups
0.5 - each team in second division
2 - npl clubs / aafpa I think is their name
1 - community / grassroots group
2 - women’s
1 - Tv deal / Broadcaster of the time
1 - futsul

4 - NSW
4 - Qld
3 - VIC
2 - WA
2 - SA
2 - NNSW
1 - ACT
1 - TAS
1 - NT


That’s a minimum of 47 votes on congress at any given time, nobody has a majority. The game runs itself




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BA81 - 24 Jul 2018 1:03 PM
Judging from the tone of the article, the author's prob an AFL fanboy sh1tting himself at the thought of ⚽ in this country no longer being run like his beloved eggball...

Nah he's a football fan and commentator on the ABC radio coverage of the game. 
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BA81 - 24 Jul 2018 1:03 PM
Judging from the tone of the article, the author's prob an AFL fanboy sh1tting himself at the thought of ⚽ in this country no longer being run like his beloved eggball...

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Judging from the tone of the article, the author's prob an AFL fanboy sh1tting himself at the thought of ⚽ in this country no longer being run like his beloved eggball...


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imo the only reason we are getting movement is because there are bigger players than the lowy family involved in the game now.  

i agree that we need to keep control of our game.  but the ffa does not offer that.  

doesn't the english FA still have a controlling vote in the EPL even though it is independent?  i'd like to see and independent body run the AL, but with the controlling votes sitting outside the clubs or the ffa - with the pfa/aafc etc.

Dunno.  But I think there is generally a consensus that the time for oligarchs is past and some wonderful inefficient and dysfunctional democracy gets a go.  It has its downsides because it brings both stability and infighting, capital and poverty, quality and stupidity and lots of things that ultimately take you to a brighter future. 

Whatever falls out, there has to be checks and balances.  The game has grown (kudos) beyond the vision of the few that got it there.  Get the structure right anywhere and ultimately you get a durable and upwardly mobile organisation.  It will never climb as fast or as high as under a dictate, but it will never fall so low or catastrophically either.

I keep saying I don't care if Lowys stay or go.  I mean it. It should be irrelevant.  If the structure is correct then the vision comes from the bottom of the pyramid, the masses. The functionarys should be the ablest you can attract, no matter their lack of vision.  In fact that last bit helps.

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Paul01 - 23 Jul 2018 7:19 PM
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So long as City F****** Group and Ledman Group don't run it for themselves.
 I would rather still have oversight to stop the excesses that overseas owners would do to the league. 
Plus if there is oversight, we can get youngsters into matchday squads for ALL teams.

imo the only reason we are getting movement is because there are bigger players than the lowy family involved in the game now.  

i agree that we need to keep control of our game.  but the ffa does not offer that.  

doesn't the english FA still have a controlling vote in the EPL even though it is independent?  i'd like to see and independent body run the AL, but with the controlling votes sitting outside the clubs or the ffa - with the pfa/aafc etc.

 




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If each state got 3-4 seats in a vastly expanded congress, would the incumbents still maintain control?

What I'm saying is, how would the states allocate additional seats?
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NZ went through a reform like this about 5 Years back. They went from a 7 member congress expanding up to 28 I think, or a view to arrive at 28 voting members once all the Associated Stakeholders became organised.
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inala brah - 23 Jul 2018 12:52 PM

Best Korea



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-26/australia-uses-faxes-to-talk-to-kim-jong-un/9089794

so FIFA and North Korea... sounds about right.

 




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@ Paul01

That’s what should happen - the ffa set the parameters which will include key things such as pro/rel, number of teams, etc big after that - let’s the clubs at it
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Waz - 23 Jul 2018 6:18 PM
@ crimsoncrusoe And the bigger the congress the more likely the professional game gets to run itself 👍

So long as City F****** Group and Ledman Group don't run it for themselves.
 I would rather still have oversight to stop the excesses that overseas owners would do to the league. 
Plus if there is oversight, we can get youngsters into matchday squads for ALL teams.

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@ crimsoncrusoe

And the bigger the congress the more likely the professional game gets to run itself 👍
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Judging by the FIFA letter to FFA ,there is almost certainty that a new govenance structure will include many more stakeholders.
FIFA have named the supporters group,women,npl clubs ,AFTC and experts as almost certain additions.A strong emphasis has been placed on women participation.
Based on all that the Lowy era of control is looking to be tenuous.A plus 20 seat congress seems a minimum.More like 30 i would guess.
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Melbcityguy - 23 Jul 2018 3:13 PM
Hopefully this gets sorted before the a league season starts




Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Hopefully this gets sorted before the a league season starts
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Many organisations including government consider Fax secure and email insecure, that’s why they still use it
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inala brah - 23 Jul 2018 12:52 PM

also, who uses faxes anymore??  

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-26/australia-uses-faxes-to-talk-to-kim-jong-un/9089794


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 23 Jul 2018 1:07 PM
inala brah - 23 Jul 2018 12:52 PM

July 31 Griggs reports to FIFA (not FFA)

Sep 7 , I believe, is the date for notice if an EGM is to happen by end Oct, again so that any changes are in place for the AGM in November.

Gyfox loves that kinda stuff, he'll no doubt dot the i's 

You got it right as I understand.

There is the possibility that FIFA will require changes to what the Working Group puts forward but hopefully Griggs will have steered it to a conclusion that is fully compliant with the FIFA Statutes and follows the guidance in FIFA's Standard Statutes.   

The only other comment that I will add is that the EGM is for the existing members who are the only ones who can legally adopt the recommended changes to the constitution.  Once the change has been adopted the FFA then proceeds on in accordance with the new constitution.

For the purpose of definition the FFA is the body that FIFA accepts is to govern football in Australia and by the FFA they mean the Congress, the Board, the Administration and the Independent Bodies i.e. Disciplinary body etc..



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inala brah - 23 Jul 2018 12:52 PM
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also, who uses faxes anymore??  i'd like to see those minutes.  i think we as the footballing public deserve to see the progress being made.   

FIFA uses faxes. I remember talking to staff at the PFA a few years back and they said FIFA have communications regulations that stipulate important information like this must be faxed. I'm guessing this regulation came about because you can easily shred a fax. An email or digital file can be sitting on servers all over the place for ever.
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Basically an entirely new thread talking about .... the same things lol.

So either this working group has been doing fuck all so there’s been no leaks or Ms. Whiplash runs a tight ship?
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