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+x+x+xYou want a time batter like Patterson no lower than #4. Pressure well and truly on Burns with Pucovski and Renshaw breathing down his throat.. Warner is probably the biggest threat to Burns' spot in the team, it might be that it is a battle between Burns and Harris to partner Warner for the Ashes, rightly or wrongly. Only if Burns and Harris fail against Sri Lanka could I see Renshaw playing the first test of Ashes and even then he needs to find some form. I would say Warner is the biggest threat to Harris and Burns. These two have to absolutely smash down the door in the next two tests to ward off the slugger. I still want Renshaw over both Burns and Harris. Should he miss the next test Renners only for an Ashes berth is the remaining four Shield games.
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+x+xYou want a time batter like Patterson no lower than #4. He had a strike rate of about 70 - 80 in one of his centuries in Hobart! Yes he has gears then. But he is predominantly a man who likes to occupy the crease.
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+xYou want a time batter like Patterson no lower than #4. He had a strike rate of about 70 - 80 in one of his centuries in Hobart!
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RedKat
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Burns deserves an extended run as a reward for shield form. Harris deserves the series but pressure would mount on him if hes got 6 games and no real scores Also Marnus at 4 is I think his fourth position in the order (3,4,5,6)?
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+x+xYou want a time batter like Patterson no lower than #4. Pressure well and truly on Burns with Pucovski and Renshaw breathing down his throat.. Warner is probably the biggest threat to Burns' spot in the team, it might be that it is a battle between Burns and Harris to partner Warner for the Ashes, rightly or wrongly. Only if Burns and Harris fail against Sri Lanka could I see Renshaw playing the first test of Ashes and even then he needs to find some form.
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The right team has been chosen.
Renshaw could not be picked in his current form, bur hopefully finds form soon as we will need his quality at some stage in the next few years.
Pucovski is not ready, far too early to put him in the test side, but certainly one to watch in the next couple of years.
Richardson ahead of Siddle was a must but I am a bit surprised it happened. Now just need to get Tremain in the squad ahead of Siddle.
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RedKat
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Sorry yes meant to say Harris
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BaggyGreens
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+x+xYou want a time batter like Patterson no lower than #4. Pressure well and truly on Burns with Pucovski and Renshaw breathing down his throat.. Saturday looks the only day rain may intervene. Brisbane is having similar weather to Sydney low 30sC with cloud and humidity. Sydney's summers are usually more temperate.
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+xYou want a time batter like Patterson no lower than #4. Pressure well and truly on Burns with Pucovski and Renshaw breathing down his throat..
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BaggyGreens
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You want a time batter like Patterson no lower than #4.
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+xBurns RenshawKhawaja Marnus HeadPatterson Paine CumminsStarcLyon Richardson Reasonable squad but ridiculous if Patterson is 6. Harris instead of Renshaw was selected.
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RedKat
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Burns Renshaw Khawaja Marnus Head Patterson Paine Cummins Starc Lyon Richardson Reasonable squad but ridiculous if Patterson is 6.
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hazelwood is out of form but indeed siddle is worse. If you want to improve on Hazelwood take a punt on a player with a lower 1st class average
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Id go Richardson (but would have initially selected Tremain) over Siddle for sure but I think selectors will go "safe" on that pick. The problem I have with Pontings team is Labu is barely a test cricketer and for all his nice technique strikes me as someone who got selected a few years early. To have him in the team is a risk and Id only be selecting him as a #6 if at all. Hes not at all suited to such an important postion as 3 and it probably does his own development harm. Also youve got the best batsman in the side, Khawaja, batting out of position. Its a ridiculous selection but the more I think of it the more I think theyll go that way.
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+xa mess still feels an improvement on what we had before. As long as they don't select labu its hard to select a dreadful side from what they chose RedKat precisely the side Ricky Ponting has picked as his preferred lineup. Includes both both debutant batsmen. Ponting’s XI: Marcus Harris, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Kurtis Patterson, Travis Head, Will Pucovski, Tim Paine (c/wk), Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon, Peter Siddle/Jhye Richardson. Please dont fall into the trap of replacing Hazlewood with Siddle. Not in the same class. I want the unpredictability of Jhye Richardson let loose on the Lankans.. I have to say I have a problem with Labuchange at #3. I would rather go for Patterson. But is that putting too much pressure on him. I think not as Patto has a calm demeanour.. whereas Labu looks a bit of a loose wire to me.
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a mess still feels an improvement on what we had before. As long as they don't select labu its hard to select a dreadful side from what they chose
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Youve also got players like Wade quiet fairly saying hey if this game had a bearing on selection why wasnt I given a go. And I do think the excuse of hes making runs but not high enough in the order ridiculous. Dont care if youre averaging 75 and hitting hundreds from 11. Its a mess but, besides the Patterson callup, CA have done very little right recently and even as you say the Patterson decision has its own issues. It sounds like Patterson is in and Heads obviously playing if he just got VC so I think the only spot up for grabs are second opener (Burns or Renshaw- I think theyll go Renshaw) and at 6 (Labu or Pucovksi- probably Pucovski but who knows) and third bowler (Richardson or Siddle- I think theyll go Siddle). Still also cant rule out them going for the ridiculous and pushing Khawaja to open with Labu at the madness of 3 and Pucovski 6
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+xStill the composition of the First Test has not been announced? Hello CA it is on in 24 hours. We speak of this new culture. I am all for it. Play hard but fair. But this absurd policy of choosing the Test squad before the tour game can only bring discontent among the team members. This is not good culture. . Already there must be some players seething over Patterson being jettisoned into the squad when he was not one chosen before the tour game. If Patterson plays one of the chosen will miss out. This is very bad policy and our selectors should be put on notice over it.
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Still the composition of the First Test has not been announced? Hello CA it is on in 24 hours.
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Yeah youd think the guy with 6 tests and averaging 32 should be focus on making some runs. Youd think theyd have learn from giving it to Marsh when his spot in the team wasnt a given
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+xJust as you thought selectors were finding some sense they’ve gone and named Cummins and Head co vice captains. Surely if you’re going the craziness of co vice it’s lyon and khawaja? Well that removes any slight chance Head was going to be dropped Apart from that it does seem rather wrong.
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+xJust as you thought selectors were finding some sense they’ve gone and named Cummins and Head co vice captains. Surely if you’re going the craziness of co vice it’s lyon and khawaja? Why co- vcs? Naming the starting X1.. is of more import surely
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Just as you thought selectors were finding some sense they’ve gone and named Cummins and Head co vice captains. Surely if you’re going the craziness of co vice it’s lyon and khawaja?
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+x+x+xOk who makes way for Patterson as surely he is in the First Test if reports are correct? I want Renshaw, Harris and Pucovski. Burns carries the drinks for mine. Renshaw, Harris, Khawaja, Pucovski, Labuchagne, Head is my top six. You cannot seriously want Renshaw to open in his current form, I want him in the test side but he has to be in form to pick him. My side would be Harris, Burns, Khawaja, Head, Patterson, Labuschagne, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Richardson, Lyon. 12th man Siddle Pucovski and Renshaw to miss out. I have no idea what the team will be. If they want to play Renshaw, Pucovski and Patterson. Perhaps Head misses out. However I expect they gave Renshaw a chance to score runs and get pick and as he failed in both innings he will not make the side. Puck exudes class. There is no talented player with a big Shield average keeping him out. With you. Talk around the media is CA has buckled under pressure and may debut all three of Patto, Puck and Richardson. Australian cricket needs an injection of new talent for the future. Two of Burns, Labu or Renshaw to miss the boat as they should stick with Harris.
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+x+xOk who makes way for Patterson as surely he is in the First Test if reports are correct? I want Renshaw, Harris and Pucovski. Burns carries the drinks for mine. Renshaw, Harris, Khawaja, Pucovski, Labuchagne, Head is my top six. You cannot seriously want Renshaw to open in his current form, I want him in the test side but he has to be in form to pick him. My side would be Harris, Burns, Khawaja, Head, Patterson, Labuschagne, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Richardson, Lyon. 12th man Siddle Pucovski and Renshaw to miss out. I have no idea what the team will be. If they want to play Renshaw, Pucovski and Patterson. Perhaps Head misses out. However I expect they gave Renshaw a chance to score runs and get pick and as he failed in both innings he will not make the side. Puck exudes class. There is no talented player with a big Shield average keeping him out.
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+xDecentric what XI would you pick though from the already selected 14 players. Good question? Because I've just seen Renshaw and Burns fail at Bellerive, I don't want either of them in the Test 11 at all. Labu's bowling was surprisingly effective in the second innings at Bellerive against SL. He landed his flipper and had close appeals for LBW. Given who is in the squad, I'd probably give him a start at 6, whereas Richardson can replace Meredith. I think the three pace bowlers need a back up all rounder though, which Neser can do. In football I don't usually disagree with the coach's selections too much, but given I've just seen the prospects play, and, with so many former top level cricketers in the TCA members criticising the selection panel, not just fans, I feel more disgruntled. It is a shame Sangha didn't perform with the bat, but in a few overs he looked good with the ball .
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+xOk who makes way for Patterson as surely he is in the First Test if reports are correct? I want Renshaw, Harris and Pucovski. Burns carries the drinks for mine. Renshaw, Harris, Khawaja, Pucovski, Labuchagne, Head is my top six. You cannot seriously want Renshaw to open in his current form, I want him in the test side but he has to be in form to pick him. My side would be Harris, Burns, Khawaja, Head, Patterson, Labuschagne, Paine, Cummins, Starc, Richardson, Lyon. 12th man Siddle Pucovski and Renshaw to miss out. I have no idea what the team will be. If they want to play Renshaw, Pucovski and Patterson. Perhaps Head misses out. However I expect they gave Renshaw a chance to score runs and get pick and as he failed in both innings he will not make the side.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCan Holland bowl his team to victory. No. The game is a draw. Renshaw 4 Burns 4 Labu 5 Patterson 10 Pucovski 5 Sangha 4 Doran 7 Tremain 5 Neser 5 Boland 5 Holland 6 From attending most of the game live, I'd give: Renshaw 1 ( was my pick for our best long term long term batter from the young blokes about 20 years old) Burns 2 Labu 6 - is improving batting and right arm wrist spin bowling. Bowled a few flippers that nearly got him some LBQs. Made a solid 50 in 2nd innings. Patterson 10 Pucovski 7 Sangha, batting 1, bowling 4. Doran, 9 Batting, 5 keeping. Tremain 3 (plodder) action doesn't take much out of him though - good for donkey work. Too many balls hit middle of Sri Lankan bat. Boland 3 (plodder) action doesn't take much out of him - good for donkey work. Too many balls hit middle of SL bat. Neser 4 - bowled livelier spells, but his action takes a bit out of him. Didn't see him bat, although his regular FC average is 23, and he has 50 average this season. Holland 6 - impressive in second innings. Patterson gets 10 as a TCA mate who is a former Shield VC and state selector, rates Patterson's footwork, back foot stroke play, front foot stroke play and concentration to be very impressive. He finds technical faults with every current top 6 Aussie Test batter. Pucoski gets 7 - because he rates him as very, very good, and very talented, apart from the short ball, but he played a few decent hooks and pulls I didn't see in his second innings. This former Shield VC finds fault with nearly every batter in the world, including Warner and Smith, apart from Kohli, Pujara and Kane Williamson. He thinks few Aussie Test batters can concentrate for sufficient periods. Apparently Jhye Richardson is 3 months younger than Meredith - both 22. Richardson is more experienced and has been selected on ODI form. He may be more consistent than Meredith, but from what I've seen is less explosive. IMO Richardson and Meredith should've played this CA 11 game against SL, not Mickey Mouse cricket instead. SL very competent against Aussie pacemen, who were nagging and accurate, apart from Neser at times. No Philander or Abbas in our lot. Kumara was easily the most threatening fast bowler in the match. SL will miss Herath, although before declaration SL spin from both ends was worrying Pucovski (less) and Patterson, who was dropped twice in the 80s. Really surprisingly, Aus's best bowlers in second innings, on what is usually a tough pitch for spin, were Holland, Labu and Sangha! You said you gave points based on what you saw live. Not what your TCA mate says. In which case Pucovski has to be rated on what we saw in this game..not what he will produce in future. that is why I gave him 5.. His 23, 33 warranted a pass mark only. Threw away his wicket in first innings with a poor execution of his achilles heel.. the short ball. Look far more composed in the second innings. Reason I have him in my First Test side. Pucoski looked good to all and sundry, but many had untrained eyes. The former Shield VC, substantiated, in detail, what we thought looked good with him - good front foot shots, good cutter, lot of time to play his shots, good footwork, got side on - his Achilles heel being the short ball - in the first innings. 33 NO looked good in the second dig for Pucoski. He is not going to succeed at test level if he has no way to handle the short ball. Steve Waugh found a way, it was ugly, sometimes very ugly but effective. If Waugh found a way Puck will too. Look what Tugga managed once he abandoned his riskiest shots. Became one of the best 'stonewallers' we have produced. Waugh found a way after failing at test level, being dropped for his brother and then coming back. I am hoping Pucovski would be given time to resolve his issues without being in and out of the test side.
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Decentric what XI would you pick though from the already selected 14 players.
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+x+x+xWhy does Burns deserve a chance when he failed twice in a pressure game against the same team we play in a few days? Because hes been statistically the best sheild opener over the last few seasons and to me that type of consistency counts more than failing in two innings. Hes one of the few who also has a FC of 40+. A lot of our selection issues have come from picking the guy whos had a good two games as opposed to the guy whos had a good few years. Patterson is a great case because hes both had great form with the unbeaten hundreds but also has been there abouts for a few years. I do agree the team I had lacks a bit of dynamism but the whole squad does and speaks to the levels that youre banking on a 20 year old to be a match winner. Ive said before Id have had Maxwell and Wade at 5 and 6. Fair comments, Red Kat. Some stats to support Burns' case is he has played 14 Tests, averages 37, has 3 centuries and 4 fifties in those Tests. I don't think he is in good form ATM though. One bad test shouldn't wipe his chances or be indicative of his form. His past 4 shield matches he is averaging 64.1, he deserves his chance. Especially considering his test average in the past is hardly poor, especially for our current group of players.
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