Wow, there really is a lot of mis-information being thrown about here, especially when it comes to what laws the EU "can force" on the UK.

Whilst there are some labour standards that come from the EU level, labour market issues like minimum wages etc are set at the national govt level, not the EU.

Also, with all the talk of Lithuanians and poles "flooding the UK job market", you do realise that the unemployment rate in the UK is 5.4%, lower than in Australia, right?

It's heating up. David Cameron has gotten his guarantees from the EU ahead of the referendum.

But Boris Johnson is backing the the Brexit.

The thought of having to earn their own money rather than spend other people's money has the Socialists upset and marching in the streets - it's the same in Australia. The best thing Britain could do would be to dump the Socialist wealth redistributing EU. Their is a single truism that Socialists cannot accept - Nothing is free!

I feel sorry for the poor tories trying to manage the balance sheet when these left wing invalids keep whinging about the rich, forgetting that the rich are the same people who prop up the country.

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Yeah and in Sweden all you have to do is go fight for Isis and they'll give you an apartment


http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/stockholm/starka-reaktioner-mot-stockholms-satsning-mot-extremister
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Ahhh Sweden...no wonder the place is a Leftists' wet dream...

And the UK should get out of the EU.



Edited by Captain Haddock: 27/5/2015 12:07:43 AM

just means drunk or to drink

Why do you people flick your neck when referring to alcohol?

so, the EU sign free trade with USA and Australia, but not UK ? don't think so

only bad thing, is the UK would have to re sign all the free trade agreements with countries, that they now have under EU

there lots of laws on minimum wage and shit like this in EU, UK can't just bring in new laws, only EU can...

the problem for the UK is, the EU business and labor laws, are making the UK uncompetitive compare to Australian and USA...

Edited by adrtho: 26/5/2015 10:31:20 PM

For those interested, this is a reasonably balanced article from the Guardian(which is normally pro-Europe)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/brexit-what-would-happen-if-britain-left-eu-european-union-referendum-uk

Edited by lastbroadcast: 26/5/2015 10:25:49 PM

or in 2004 , local villages in Scotland,couldn't understand why any body would want to steal all the tennis nets, on till a farmer finds a group of Lithuanians using the tennis nets to catch all the salmon in he river system :lol:

A couple of things:

Over 50pc of UK trade is with the European Union.

In the event of a British exit, the EU will not want to sign a free trade agreement with the UK. This will basically send a message to others that you can be outside the common market but still enjoy the benefits without any political obligations. That would lead to the whole EU project basically disintegrating.

In reality the UK will lose trade, which it will find very hard to replace.

Secondly, the Freedom of movement thing - nothing stops the UK from enforcing their own industrial policy on the minimum wage. Their government just chooses not to do it, especially the Tories. This drives resentment, racism and nationalism amongst the British working classes.

It's also important to remember that in the 1990s, 13.7 million British lived in poverty. Many had the freedom to go to other countries in continental Europe to make a living, which was doing better economically at that time. Now, when the situation is reversed, people want to pull the plug on continental Europeans doing the same? That seems a bit selfish.

Edited by lastbroadcast: 26/5/2015 10:21:18 PM

this was a major advantage the EU had 10 years ago, all the educated Eastern European coming into the EU labor market , but the EU fuck up this one big advantage up..but moving forward, the wage difference between Scotland and all the center and Eastern European countries is drooping each year, there will be a wage gap, but the days of high academic degree coming and doing cheap work are over..Fuck, Estonia will end up on the same wage pay as Finland soon

Me and a mate use to joke before 2004 , when Eastern European countries join the EU and before they all start moving to the UK ..my mate would say, can you imagine when they get to London, and they go to bank and open a account, and see they get a £50 automatic overdraft, they will open 20 bank account the 1st day :lol: then ring home "mama, i'm rich, bring papa and babushka to England tomorrow, and we all be rich " :lol:

Edited by adrtho: 26/5/2015 10:08:42 PM

Locals do see some jobs as beneath them. Minimum wage is minimum wage. In certain circumstances it is that the foreigners work harder. That is why they are hired. Because they know if they dont work hard they wont have a job. They are not entitled to the same social help either.

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I hate this trope.

No, locals "don't see the job as beneath them". This a blatant lie.

Managers/employers can get away with paying immigrants less because they're willing to work for less. So locals either have to agree to work for less (often too little for them to live) or no work at all.

Either way, the working class get fucked.



I'm not arguing that there should be less immigration (although I'm of that mind). All I'm saying is that there should be controls on this immigration. Is that unreasonable?

yep, the Polish, Latvians and Lithuanians. Same in Norway and Sweden.

Except there are plenty of areas like Scotland, the North of England and Wales where immigration from these regions is helpful to their local economies as they take unskilled jobs that no local wants to do as they see it as beneath them.

At the other end, companies being able to hire skilled/degree holding immigrants gives them more opportunities to grow and gives them incentive to stay in the region rather than relocate to London despite the lesser amount of local graduates in the area.

The (southern) English can whinge about it all they want, the fact is it's only them who have issues with it and trying to force the other three nations out of Europe is going to be the start of the end for the Union.

Terrorists freedom of movement throughout the EU. ingenuous

Yes, free and uncontrolled movement of peoples from literal third world countries with a dismal minimum wage is beneficial to the UK economy. :lol:

UK doesn't need the EU, the EU needs the UK. Although I don't think they'll leave, I hope Cameron uses this to negotiate far better terms with the EU.

Edited by 433: 26/5/2015 07:53:24 PM

:lol: i know a number of MEP, that what i keep telling them when i meet them...you did a great job this year EU hasn't collapse yet

Britain's last chance to escape this car crash they call the EU.

willkommen in der Deutsch-Wunderland

UK running into a burning house. The EU is destined to collapse, the UK is better off out of the EU.

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You talk like this is even a remote possibility.

Stay in EU

melbourne_terrace

For what it's worth, I can think of a fairly decent number of Scots, whom I know personally, who would probably trade free movement within the Commonwealth for free movement within the EU. Lots I know would rather have easy access to Australia, Canada or New Zealand, than the right to live in France or Italy. And you could argue that this is evidenced by the number of Scots living in Commonwealth countries.

That's not to suggest they don't want to be part of the EU, just that many have aspirations of living in Commonwealth countries.

But as you suggested by way of citing multiple reasons, there are other reasons, such as economics, skills and immigration, which make it more sensible for Scotland to remain part of the EU. Especially for the majority who, I imagine, are quite content to remain in Scotland.

Yeah we're fine with it because we:
a) aren't a bunch of pathetic racists like the south, the little England phenomena is, as the name suggest, an English trait.

b) could not give a flying fuck about England's stupid commonwealth, thus free movement within it is useless to us. Free movement around Australia/NZ for UK citizens and vice versa is utterly pointless compared to being able to move freely throughout Europe.

c) Enjoy being integrated formally within European society and the benefits come with that. Most recognise that we are just as the rest of the EU can come to Scotland, we are just as free to go live anywhere else in the EU. Immigration is beneficial to our economy, especially due to nearly half of all new immigrants to Scotland holding a degree which helps slow the brain drain south.

More importantly, I am off to Ireland now that same sex marriage is allowed

Love
The Doc

Per month . Then you have el, tv, internet

My bad. Reread it.

Sweden should have done as Norway did. So should Britain. But too late for them now, I'd think.

Edited by quickflick: 26/5/2015 07:35:25 AM

It's about $1000 aud in the burbs (could be 3m x 3m) per month and you can pay up to double in the city.
I ended up buying a place 7 years ago because I lived with my ex for 7 months just trying to find somewhere to live after we split up.
http://qz.com/264418/why-its-nearly-impossible-to-rent-an-apartment-in-stockholm/

But back to topic. Wish we left Europe.



Edited by scott21: 26/5/2015 07:34:11 AM

That's encouraging. Do people sublet? Are there sharehouses?