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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. If iAL continues in business as usual, metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people.... So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much... You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well... Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios . Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow... If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago? perhaps below pic may give us a clue  , They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham. I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.htmlDespite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately. The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent. Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises. Do you really believe this? Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive? Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC? I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered. Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded. But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football. Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA) I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid? iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far. The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that. One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing. They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing. They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised Vision, plans and strategy does not need money! Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy - You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol. You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff. iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol. I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc. I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ... I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality. The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing. Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. If iAL continues in business as usual, metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people.... So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much... You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well... Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios . Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow... If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago? perhaps below pic may give us a clue , They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham. I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.htmlDespite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately. The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent. Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises. Do you really believe this? Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive? Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC? I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered. Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded. But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football. Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA) I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid? iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far. The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that. One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing. They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing. They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised Vision, plans and strategy does not need money! Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy - You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol. You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff. iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol. I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc. I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ... I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality. The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing. Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference. So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says? Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing
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The upheaval was always about breaking the FFA's complete control over the money, but in an environment of scarce resources, as we currently have, and will have for a while yet, it's all irrelevant.
Doesn't really matter one way or the other right now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]I guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people.... So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much... You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well... Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios . Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow... If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago? perhaps below pic may give us a clue , They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham. I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.htmlDespite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately. The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent. Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises. Do you really believe this? Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive? Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC? I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered. Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded. But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football. Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA) I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid? iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far. The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that. One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing. They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing. They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised Vision, plans and strategy does not need money! Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy - You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol. You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff. iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol. I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc. I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ... I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality. The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing. Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference. So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says? Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing Hopefully I’m not the iAL “fanboy” your referring to, I’m better than that!!
If the owners were in control Fox would have paid them the money, they didn't - they paid the FFA.
If the owners were in control the money Fox paid the FFA for HAL broadcast rights would have been paid to the clubs immediately, it wasn’t - the FFA held on to it
I’m all for holding the owners accountable, but thanks to Lowy’s “poison pill” in the media contract we have the FFA in legal control of both the competition and the tv/sponsorship revenue it raises; no doubt JJ says/feels the owners are in charge, but until an FFA employee (O’Rourke) and his 200+ minions are no longer the operational staff it is still the FFAs baby.
It’s why the FFA still hold the purse strings - it’s improbable the iAL will keep a $500k+ executive on as CEO when they pointed out that 4 divisions in Scotland are run on the same Admin budget at the FFAs CEO and Head of Leagues combined.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]I guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people.... So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much... You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well... Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios . Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow... If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago? perhaps below pic may give us a clue , They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham. I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.htmlDespite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately. The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent. Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises. Do you really believe this? Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive? Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC? I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered. Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded. But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football. Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA) I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid? iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far. The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that. One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing. They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing. They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised Vision, plans and strategy does not need money! Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy - You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol. You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff. iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol. I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc. I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ... I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality. The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing. Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference. So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says? Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing [/quote]Hopefully I’m not the iAL “fanboy” your referring to, I’m better than that!!
If the owners were in control Fox would have paid them the money, they didn't - they paid the FFA.
If the owners were in control the money Fox paid the FFA for HAL broadcast rights would have been paid to the clubs immediately, it wasn’t - the FFA held on to
I’m ll for golfing the owners accountable, but thanks to Lowy’s “poison pill” in the media contract we have the FFA in legal control of both the competition and the tv/sponsorship revenue it raises; no doubt JJ feels the owners are in charge, but until an FFA employee (O’Rourke) and his 200+ minions are no longer the operational staff it’s still the FFAs baby.
It’s why the FFA still hold the purse strings - it’s improbable the iAL will keep a $500k+ executive on as CEO when they pointed out that 4 divisions in Scotland are run on the same Admin budget at the FFAs CEO and Head of Leagues combined. Straight from the SMH article which has not been refuted or challenged by anyone from FFA of iAL: 1: iAL is leglly tethered to FFA
Of course as all contracts were signed by FFA years ago. Calling them a "poison pill" is tin foil hat stuff, why would FFA create contracts for something they had no intention of ever happening (ie the franchise leage they created becoming independant). Owners agitated and got their wish courtesy of FIFA normalization comittee but obviously didnt do their due diligence well enough as any business numpty would know you need to check if existing contracts (particularly income generating) are transferable. There is absolutely nothing stopping iAL from breaking out from FFA legally. If their "vision" for the iAL was so compelling, they could visit Foxtel, flop it on the table and Foxtel would be happy to sign up. Similarly, if rumours of a renogotiated deal with 50% haircut are true, why didnt iAL use that as leverage to legally split? Truth is they havent because they have no idea what they are doing and are shit scared to loose the $$. Scudemore (who is employed by the clubs) sums it up below: As part of the strategy, they have to communicate what is going on. But you can't expect people to clearly communicate exactly what is going on until they've worked out the answer to that question themselves," Scudamore said."They're trying to describe the destination point, they've all got their views - that's what they're working on. 2: O'Rourke reports to owners and not to FFAIn addition to JJ's statement about FFA not being involved, here's another quote straight from the article:
O'Rourke, meanwhile, has been working as the head of a business unit within FFA but reports not to a singular chairman or board, but all 12 club owners at once, with no real mandate to serve as the A-League's figurehead. That will soon change, with the clubs resolving to finalise the structures around O'Rourke, back him in and get on with the business of improving the A-League, sources said.
When it was under FFA control, there were numerous grand anouncements about how iAL owners knew better and their agitation and b/s statements about FFA corruption, ineptitude and waste added to the negative perception of the HAL. Now they have they keys to the liquor cabinet you dont hear anything and from the looks of it they are relying on FFA to save their bacon.
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AJF wrote "There is absolutely nothing stopping iAL from breaking out from FFA legally."
I think it is call FIFA .
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O'Rourke, meanwhile, has been working as the head of a business unit within FFA but reports not to a singular chairman or board, but all 12 club owners at once, with no real mandate to serve as the A-League's figurehead. That will soon change, with the clubs resolving to finalise the structures around O'Rourke, back him in and get on with the business of improving the A-League, sources said.Structures being in control of an Independent A-L finances
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+xThere is absolutely nothing stopping iAL from breaking out from FFA legally. If their "vision" for the iAL was so compelling, they could visit Foxtel, flop it on the table and Foxtel would be happy to sign up. Similarly, if rumours of a renogotiated deal with 50% haircut are true, why didnt iAL use that as leverage to legally split? Breaking off and starting their own comp introduces issues with FIFA recognition (or lack there of). It would be an added complication to an already complicated situation. There is also the major issue of IP ownership. Currently the FFA own all of the clubs' IP. The FFA would need to agree to hand over (or sell) the IP back to the clubs. This has been agreed to in principle but it is all rolled into the divorce procedures and has not happened yet. Which is interesting in itself. Surely IP ownership could be transferred prior to independence without causing any issues. The reality is that there are way too many loose ends at the moment. Many of which probably weren't considered by either the FFA or the clubs when the decision was made for independence. All these issues are then compounded by the current lockdown situation.
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+x[quote]AJF wrote "There is absolutely nothing stopping iAL from breaking out from FFA legally."
I think it is call FIFA . You are a dullard, it was the FIFA normalisation committee that recommened AL be split out of FFA, why would FIFA be stopping it now?
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+x+xThere is absolutely nothing stopping iAL from breaking out from FFA legally. If their "vision" for the iAL was so compelling, they could visit Foxtel, flop it on the table and Foxtel would be happy to sign up. Similarly, if rumours of a renogotiated deal with 50% haircut are true, why didnt iAL use that as leverage to legally split? Breaking off and starting their own comp introduces issues with FIFA recognition (or lack there of). It would be an added complication to an already complicated situation. There is also the major issue of IP ownership. Currently the FFA own all of the clubs' IP. The FFA would need to agree to hand over (or sell) the IP back to the clubs. This has been agreed to in principle but it is all rolled into the divorce procedures and has not happened yet. Which is interesting in itself. Surely IP ownership could be transferred prior to independence without causing any issues. The reality is that there are way too many loose ends at the moment. Many of which probably weren't considered by either the FFA or the clubs when the decision was made for independence. All these issues are then compounded by the current lockdown situation. Same response as to Blew.over.0.05, FIFA normalisation committee recommended the split, how is it now not legal or recognised? FFA didnt want the divorce so why would they consider any of the issues you raise. Surely the billionaires who are going to run the iAL better than FFA would have thought about all those things when they were agitating for the split. Also it is close to 20 months since the decision, you might think that with all the eminent businessmen iAL would have a plan and timeline for splitting out, yet all we see is tumbleweeds and hear the crickets on here chirping they dont have control.
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+x+x+xThere is absolutely nothing stopping iAL from breaking out from FFA legally. If their "vision" for the iAL was so compelling, they could visit Foxtel, flop it on the table and Foxtel would be happy to sign up. Similarly, if rumours of a renogotiated deal with 50% haircut are true, why didnt iAL use that as leverage to legally split? Breaking off and starting their own comp introduces issues with FIFA recognition (or lack there of). It would be an added complication to an already complicated situation. There is also the major issue of IP ownership. Currently the FFA own all of the clubs' IP. The FFA would need to agree to hand over (or sell) the IP back to the clubs. This has been agreed to in principle but it is all rolled into the divorce procedures and has not happened yet. Which is interesting in itself. Surely IP ownership could be transferred prior to independence without causing any issues. The reality is that there are way too many loose ends at the moment. Many of which probably weren't considered by either the FFA or the clubs when the decision was made for independence. All these issues are then compounded by the current lockdown situation. Same response as to Blew.over.0.05, FIFA normalisation committee recommended the split, how is it now not legal or recognised?
FFA didnt want the divorce so why would they consider any of the issues you raise. Surely the billionaires who are going to run the iAL better than FFA would have thought about all those things when they were agitating for the split. Also it is close to 20 months since the decision, you might think that with all the eminent businessmen iAL would have a plan and timeline for splitting out, yet all we see is tumbleweeds and hear the crickets on here chirping they dont have control. FIFA committee recommended separation of the A-L in ownership and management under the FFA umbrella. They did not refer to a split from the FFA as a new league Due to the wording (IMO) the FOX deal it locks the A-L to the FFA until it is end. (neither party want to go to court for breach of contract. So we get a league with very little exterior change.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]I guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years
HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people....
So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much...
You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well...
Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios .
Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow...
If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago?
perhaps below pic may give us a clue
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They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham.
I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.html
Despite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately.
The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent.
Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises.
Do you really believe this?
Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive?
Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC?
I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered.
Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded.
But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football.
Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA)
I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid?
iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far.
The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that.
One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing.
They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing.
They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised
Vision, plans and strategy does not need money!
Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy -
You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol.
You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff.
iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol.
I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc.
I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ...
I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality.
The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game
I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing.
Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference.
So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says?
Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing Hopefully I’m not the iAL “fanboy” your referring to, I’m better than that!!
If the owners were in control Fox would have paid them the money, they didn't - they paid the FFA.
If the owners were in control the money Fox paid the FFA for HAL broadcast rights would have been paid to the clubs immediately, it wasn’t - the FFA held on to
I’m ll for golfing the owners accountable, but thanks to Lowy’s “poison pill” in the media contract we have the FFA in legal control of both the competition and the tv/sponsorship revenue it raises; no doubt JJ feels the owners are in charge, but until an FFA employee (O’Rourke) and his 200+ minions are no longer the operational staff it’s still the FFAs baby.
It’s why the FFA still hold the purse strings - it’s improbable the iAL will keep a $500k+ executive on as CEO when they pointed out that 4 divisions in Scotland are run on the same Admin budget at the FFAs CEO and Head of Leagues combined. [/quote]Straight from the SMH article which has not been refuted or challenged by anyone from FFA of iAL: 1: iAL is leglly tethered to FFA
Of course as all contracts were signed by FFA years ago. Calling them a "poison pill" is tin foil hat stuff, why would FFA create contracts for something they had no intention of ever happening (ie the franchise leage they created becoming independant). Owners agitated and got their wish courtesy of FIFA normalization comittee but obviously didnt do their due diligence well enough as any business numpty would know you need to check if existing contracts (particularly income generating) are transferable. There is absolutely nothing stopping iAL from breaking out from FFA legally. If their "vision" for the iAL was so compelling, they could visit Foxtel, flop it on the table and Foxtel would be happy to sign up. Similarly, if rumours of a renogotiated deal with 50% haircut are true, why didnt iAL use that as leverage to legally split? Truth is they havent because they have no idea what they are doing and are shit scared to loose the $$. Scudemore (who is employed by the clubs) sums it up below: As part of the strategy, they have to communicate what is going on. But you can't expect people to clearly communicate exactly what is going on until they've worked out the answer to that question themselves," Scudamore said."They're trying to describe the destination point, they've all got their views - that's what they're working on. 2: O'Rourke reports to owners and not to FFAIn addition to JJ's statement about FFA not being involved, here's another quote straight from the article:
O'Rourke, meanwhile, has been working as the head of a business unit within FFA but reports not to a singular chairman or board, but all 12 club owners at once, with no real mandate to serve as the A-League's figurehead. That will soon change, with the clubs resolving to finalise the structures around O'Rourke, back him in and get on with the business of improving the A-League, sources said.
When it was under FFA control, there were numerous grand anouncements about how iAL owners knew better and their agitation and b/s statements about FFA corruption, ineptitude and waste added to the negative perception of the HAL. Now they have they keys to the liquor cabinet you dont hear anything and from the looks of it they are relying on FFA to save their bacon. Let’s not dwell on the “poison pill” comment even though I believe it’s something Lowy would do to strengthen his hand in the civil war that was raging at that time. Whether he did or didn’t varies according to opinion, and - on both sides - is just that, opinion.
The reality is the A-League is left in some kind of quasi-status, legally bound to the FFA, it’s Directors and using the FFAs staff and offices to operate and with JJ claiming the competition is being self-run.
It is a shambles and I would hope if Fox piss off the quasi-status is resolved immediately, and if the terms are modified (as reported for a reduced fee) that part of that settlement allows iAL to form its Board, appoint its staff, and sign its own commercial contracts.
Until then it is not an independent competition imo, nor is it run by the club owners who - by common understanding in the football world - don’t run a competition anyway.
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It's obvious the final structure for management of an iHAL is not in place.
FFA apologists can blame the owners and the Owner supporters can blame FFA.
Clearly there are issues and complications.
I am pretty much over the blame game.Both sides have work to do.
Like with Fowler at Roar i am happy to give the new CEO and iHAL time to process all the issues and see what happens.
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+xIt's obvious the final structure for management of an iHAL is not in place. FFA apologists can blame the owners and the Owner supporters can blame FFA. Clearly there are issues and complications. I am pretty much over the blame game.Both sides have work to do. Like with Fowler at Roar i am happy to give the new CEO and iHAL time to process all the issues and see what happens. I agree with all that. I just hope we’re not waiting three more years for the full change to occur. If reports on SBS are correct, Fox are in negotiations to reduce the amount of the current tv contract in return for a 4 year extension - if that’s the case the necessary changes can be rolled into those negotiations
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Leaving aside the iAL run by the clubs V FFA run under Lowy for a tad.
The issue is essentially about money, where it comes from and why it will be paid.
The assumption by many is those that control the purse strings i.e. major Australian broadcasters will pay big dollars for a full FIFA model and on this point we should be able to sell the A-League overseas.
The next assumption is those that control the purse strings in Australia... only want tried and working models to work with.
Neither assumption is correct just on overseas selling consider the competition ... yes maybe some but I doubt mega dollars....
What did the broadcasters buy into in the first place.... essentially a united competition with everyone kinda pushing in the same direction and singing from the same hymn book.
What we have now or had & its JJ's job to change is chaos, disunity, every man and his dog has an opinion...
Consider you run a major network, look at us as a collective we are a rabble. no cohesion, self interest, echo's etc.
Why would anyone give us a huge contract on where we are.
I think its critical going forward that we finally declare the war over but more importantly is for FFA & iAL to provide the road map moving forward.... the reluctance to do this speaks volumes to the chaos we find ourselves in...
Stephen Lowy left a pile of doggie poo a mile high, a totally fractured, spilt, divided Football community .... for the common good and for broadcasters to take us seriously again we need to unite and be of one purpose, if we can't we deserve to be where we are....
The challenge is to find the common purpose that we can unite behind...
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+x+x+x+xThere is absolutely nothing stopping iAL from breaking out from FFA legally. If their "vision" for the iAL was so compelling, they could visit Foxtel, flop it on the table and Foxtel would be happy to sign up. Similarly, if rumours of a renogotiated deal with 50% haircut are true, why didnt iAL use that as leverage to legally split? Breaking off and starting their own comp introduces issues with FIFA recognition (or lack there of). It would be an added complication to an already complicated situation. There is also the major issue of IP ownership. Currently the FFA own all of the clubs' IP. The FFA would need to agree to hand over (or sell) the IP back to the clubs. This has been agreed to in principle but it is all rolled into the divorce procedures and has not happened yet. Which is interesting in itself. Surely IP ownership could be transferred prior to independence without causing any issues. The reality is that there are way too many loose ends at the moment. Many of which probably weren't considered by either the FFA or the clubs when the decision was made for independence. All these issues are then compounded by the current lockdown situation. Same response as to Blew.over.0.05, FIFA normalisation committee recommended the split, how is it now not legal or recognised?
FFA didnt want the divorce so why would they consider any of the issues you raise. Surely the billionaires who are going to run the iAL better than FFA would have thought about all those things when they were agitating for the split. Also it is close to 20 months since the decision, you might think that with all the eminent businessmen iAL would have a plan and timeline for splitting out, yet all we see is tumbleweeds and hear the crickets on here chirping they dont have control. FIFA committee recommended separation of the A-L in ownership and management under the FFA umbrella. They did not refer to a split from the FFA as a new league You seem a little confused, no one is talking about creating a new league, it is existing comp splitting out from FFA as its own entity.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]I guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people.... So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much... You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well... Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios . Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow... If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago? perhaps below pic may give us a clue , They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham. I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.htmlDespite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately. The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent. Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises. Do you really believe this? Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive? Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC? I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered. Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded. But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football. Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA) I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid? iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far. The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that. One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing. They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing. They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised Vision, plans and strategy does not need money! Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy - You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol. You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff. iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol. I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc. I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ... I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality. The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing. Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference. So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says? Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing You have talent for misconceived over simplification. You should go into politics, where those qualities are valued.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]I guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people.... So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much... You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well... Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios . Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow... If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago? perhaps below pic may give us a clue , They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham. I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.htmlDespite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately. The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent. Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises. Do you really believe this? Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive? Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC? I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered. Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded. But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football. Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA) I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid? iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far. The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that. One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing. They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing. They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised Vision, plans and strategy does not need money! Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy - You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol. You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff. iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol. I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc. I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ... I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality. The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing. Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference. So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says? Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing [/quote]You have talent for misconceived over simplification. You should go into politics, where those qualities are valued. most things arent that complex, unfortunately simple things appear to confuse simple minds
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]I guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years
HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people....
So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much...
You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well...
Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios .
Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow...
If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago?
perhaps below pic may give us a clue
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They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham.
I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.html
Despite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately.
The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent.
Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises.
Do you really believe this?
Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive?
Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC?
I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered.
Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded.
But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football.
Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA)
I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid?
iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far.
The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that.
One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing.
They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing.
They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised
Vision, plans and strategy does not need money!
Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy -
You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol.
You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff.
iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol.
I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc.
I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ...
I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality.
The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game
I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing.
Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference.
So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says?
Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing You have talent for misconceived over simplification. You should go into politics, where those qualities are valued. [/quote]most things arent that complex, unfortunately simple things appear to confuse simple minds And in the first part of that statement lies your first mistake...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]I guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people.... So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much... You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well... Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios . Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow... If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago? perhaps below pic may give us a clue , They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham. I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.htmlDespite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately. The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent. Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises. Do you really believe this? Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive? Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC? I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered. Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded. But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football. Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA) I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid? iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far. The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that. One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing. They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing. They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised Vision, plans and strategy does not need money! Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy - You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol. You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff. iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol. I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc. I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ... I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality. The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing. Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference. So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says? Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing
You have talent for misconceived over simplification. You should go into politics, where those qualities are valued. most things arent that complex, unfortunately simple things appear to confuse simple minds [/quote]And in the first part of that statement lies your first mistake... no mistake, second part applies to you and explains everything..................although maybe not to you
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]I guess now that the "let's put football first" guy has seemingly retained the Fox deal, any notion of a "total reset" has just evaporated... There might be some truth in that. If the money is guaranteed for the next three season, well, of course you take the money. If the money disappeared overnight, then you might consider that a radical overhaul is required sooner rather than later. metrics will continue dropping and TV money will disappear as rights wont be worth anything and all we have done is kicked the can down the road for a few years HHHMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The owners of iAL are mostly highly successful business people.... So your assumption is this collection of clever business people who fort for three years to get control... now they have it won't change much... You could very well be right but if you consider the names behind the teams I very much doubt they don't have the smarts to understand this as well... Consider what I have heard ... and has been published a lot but the narrative is not doom and gloom so lets ignore it and focus on we will all be ruined scenarios . Consider they have said it will take two to three years to rebuild, and we would like the Fox revenue as a back stop so we can grow... If they are so successful and smart why hasnt the AL done better? why are so many running at a loss? what have they done since taking control 18M ago? perhaps below pic may give us a clue , They haven’t taken control. The FFA still has control because everyone was sh*t scared Fox would walk if ownership changed - just another example of where Lowy’s supposed “commercial expertise” was exposed as a sham. I know it's easier to blame FFA for iAL being useless and doing nothing but as old JJ has already publicly stated owners are definitely in control.
"The day-to-day operations, we're not involved," Johnson said. "Defining where the league wants to go and the strategy, this is a job the league has to do, and we'll support that, provided there is alignment with the direction we want to go as a whole of game."
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/we-re-not-involved-ffa-urges-a-league-club-owners-to-move-faster-20200228-p545h8.htmlDespite all the "we know how to run the comp better than FFA" rhetoric, the fact FFA is so heavily involved with the Covid situation says alot about the iAL's capabilities unfortunately. The new FFA and iHAL are finally showing their colours. Both are impotent. Let's be frank (pardon the expression), but the iHAL owners have been rubbing their hands with their new cut from the FFA and expected increase in revenue. This was their main objective and now have egg on their face notwithstanding the embarrassment that they have done nothing to show for their false and hollow promises. Do you really believe this? Just look at the owners one by one and ask yourself which owner is desperately hanging on for a few million from FFA to survive? Each owner is different.Would the objectives of CCM's owner be the same as those of SFC or MC? I think it's reasonable to assume most of the owners would be happy if their costs were covered. Some arent overly concerned,because they are loaded. But i am sure they all want a say in all their investments,including Football. Is it really so surprising that a person who owns a business doesnt want some idiot running it badly and most of all doesnt want someone ripping them off.(Thanks old FFA) I just couldnt imagine how any normal person would react positively to being roped into a pyramid scheme and then finding out revenue was being siphoned off for other purposes,without any recourse.Would anyone on this forum not be livid? iHAL is still not here.So we cant judge whether what the owners do will be better or not.But its hardly unreasonable for them to want an iHAL,given what has happened so far. The HAL has been in decline for a number of years and we all know the reasons.It's going to need an upheaval to turn things around.Hopefully independence and a host of other changes will do that. One thing is for sure ,doing the same thing will change nothing. They have reneged on their promises of immediate improvements, marketing etc and still have nothing to show after 20 months - no actions, plans or vision. This will indeed change nothing. They have not got the independence that would allow the investment they promised Vision, plans and strategy does not need money! Execution does which is where people like us will see vision, plans, and strategy - You need to display the plans before execution and after 20 months you'd expect it. But it seems that suddenly keeping the football community in the dark is now good enough lol. You do NOT need to display the plans. Most businesses keep their plans confidential and football is no different.
I’m pretty sure publishing plans for internet dudes to review and comment on doesnt form part of your standard MBA ....
and there is no “after 20 months” .... the competition still sits with the FFA and will do until its handed over to iAL who will then have their own Board, CEO, offices and staff. iHAL have got it all in their control, all but a final signature does not proclude progress or at least announcements. You wanted Lowy to be transparent but not this lot, lol. I don’t disagree they need a vision, plan etc. I disagree they should publish that for public scrutiny - that makes no sense.
And I know the iAL have not got control. The competition is under the supervision of the FFA Board, CEO, O’Rourke and his staff.
iAL have zero staff and a fundamental point that many people seem to be missing is that the club owners will not be running the competition; they will be appointing a Board who will then hire a team of football administrators to do that, they will have independence from the club owners (as per FIFA guidelines) so there can be proper governance over the competition.
The Administration team will report to a new Board of Directors elected by the clubs/FFA, the Director's will be responsible for ensuring that vision, strategy and plans are implemented.
The FFA has everyone, including a legal obligation to run the competition.
iAL doesn’t have a charter to run the competition, it doesn’t have any Legal authority to do so, doesn’t have a Board, a CEO, ant staff, or any budget.
iAL can’t negotiate with Fox, with sponsors, with FTA, with the AFC/FIFA .... its like a “government in waiting” and can’t do anything until control is handed over.
The most recent example is Fox Sports paid the tv money into the FFA bank account, not iAL. So they don’t even have control of the money ... I just can't understand how so many people fail to grasp this reality. The FFA CEO also doesn’t seem to grasp it as JJ also thinks iAL is running its own show and recently called them out to lift their game I think you're being disingenuous here. The point is that regardless of what Johnson may have said that, but it doesn't change any of the legal and investment fundamentals that Waz outlined. But I do agree that the performance of the owners going into this season was very, very disappointing. A lot of hot air about promoting the League and then absolutely nothing. Anyway, the ship either floats when relaunched or it goes to the bottom of the pond, and nothing that any of us here say or think will make one jot of difference. So you are saying we should trust the opinion of an anonymous poster to this forum more than what the actual CEO of the FFA says? Maybe a few iAL fanboys on here need to wake up and realise the white knight you were hoping to come in and save your precious league is drunk and asleep at the wheel and as the last 20 months have shown has no idea on what they are doing You have talent for misconceived over simplification. You should go into politics, where those qualities are valued.
most things arent that complex, unfortunately simple things appear to confuse simple minds
And in the first part of that statement lies your first mistake... [/quote]no mistake, second part applies to you and explains everything..................although maybe not to you Whatever.
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Fifa have given FFA it's blessing to get rid of that piece of poo also known as VAR.
Flush it down the river Johnno!
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+xFifa have given FFA it's blessing to get rid of that piece of poo also known as VAR. Flush it down the river Johnno! They won't. Macca's pays for it & also provide sponsorship money also.
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+xFifa have given FFA it's blessing to get rid of that piece of poo also known as VAR. Flush it down the river Johnno! where's the sauce re this ? and does this apply globally ? edit - correction just saw thread on it.
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+x+xFifa have given FFA it's blessing to get rid of that piece of poo also known as VAR. Flush it down the river Johnno! where's the sauce re this ? and does this apply globally ? edit - correction just saw thread on it. And it's optional IIRCC
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Ive only been impressed with JJ the longer he's tenure been going.
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+xIve only been impressed with JJ the longer he's tenure been going. Are you ? What has he actually done, apart from standing down 70% of staff while keeping his own exec salary ?
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Hyundai gone now
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Been on the cards. Lots of businesses won't be able to afford these kind of sponsorships now.
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I guess one can "only be impressed" with this...
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