Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
I watched South Hobart play Clarence Zebras on Saturday.
The latter are an amalgamation of the old Tilford Zebras and Clarence United - two clubs I've played for or coached at.
South won 1-0 in a scrappy game. I've seen both teams play much better previously. Jayden Hay played well throughout the match for Clarence Zebras, and former Newcastle Jets player, Andy Brennan, was effective for South Hobart when he came on. He has been in CoronaV quarantine for a few weeks.
They wasted perfect weather and an excellent pitch to play quality football.
|
|
|
|
LFC.
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 12K,
Visits: 0
|
Nothing like being around PL games........ Have you watched any PL games over the years say in Melb D ? Just wondering what you think the standards are like compared to Tassie ?
Love Football
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
+xHave you watched any PL games over the years say in Melb D ? Just wondering what you think the standards are like compared to Tassie ? I've seen quite a number of Victorian teams play the best Tassie NPL teams, LFC. I've even briefly coached players who've played in both NPL leagues too. If the best Tassie teams have a good day, a bit of luck and the better Victorian sides have a bad day, less luck, the games have been pretty even. Having said that Brisbane Strikers (Q), Leichhardt APIA ( NSW), have both played slick possession football in Tas in the FFA Cup, a class up from any club here. Last year Marconi played the worst football I've ever seen from a visiting NPL club, where they played utter long ball, kicks and rush dross - in front of a big crowd and a superb pitch at Bellerive Cricket Ground. Also, whilst playing poorly by their own standards against Tas NPL sides in the FFA Cup, South Melb ( Vic), Sydney United ( NSW) have played really well in the latter rounds of the FFA Cup against HAL teams. Hobart Olympic even got to the final of the defunct National NPL cup , but were outclassed by Bayswater ( WA) in the final. Yet surprisingly, in preseason games, Tas rep sides from the NPL , have given the Mariners some tough games in preseason. The Mariners have played some of their lesser lights and newer players though. They've experimented before the HAL season proper.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
+xNothing like being around PL games........ Live football is great. I have two NPL clubs based about a kilometre from my place, so if there is no social event on, I attend their home games. Another member of this forum has moved to Tas and is coaching a team at a new NPL club this season.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Watched the first half of Kingborough Lions v Clarence Zebra yesterday.
CZ were at home on a perfect pitch in mild winter conditions to play football.
Lions won 2-0.
The first goal was a spectacular volley. Sadly, most of the rest of the game was a scrappy affair. The game sense of many players I've seen in the last few weeks has been appalling.
There are some good coaches in the Tas NPL - a few I've learnt a bit from.
In recent times some decent football has been played by the male and female NTC teams.
Olympia ( under Glenn McNeill), and South Hobart ( under Ken Morton) have played some decent possession football in some recent seasons.
Devonport Strikers have had a good counterattacking game under Chris Gallo.
Some NPL teams have played proactively and held their shape against renowned interstate opponents in the FFA Cup.
Tas senior rep teams have played quite well against HAL teams in pre-season games.
However:
1. The coaches' message isn't getting through to the players, because -
a. Are the players confused by the messages?
b. Can't put into practice on match day what they are doing on the training ground?
c. Ignoring or forgetting what they've been coached at senior level - and - many years of youth development?
2. Are some coaches deviating from the National FFA blueprint of Proactive football to play a brand of Direct Football , with an onus on what they perceive as easy short term results?
|
|
|
LFC.
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 12K,
Visits: 0
|
ah huh, so there is a divide which is not unexpected but as any game, things don;t always pan out the more fancied visiting side out performs as expected. Thanks for the insight.
Love Football
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
+xah huh, so there is a divide which is not unexpected but as any game, things don;t always pan out the more fancied visiting side out performs as expected. Thanks for the insight. Cheers, LFC. It is also frustrating having coached players in state FFA rep teams and NPL club level, not putting into practice in senior NPL games what we worked on assiduously on the training ground. It is like I've wasted my time. Even more frustrating, some good current senior NPL coaches I've learnt a lot from, then imparted their excellent training ground methodology and ideas successfully to players under my tutelage, are overseeing some top senior NPL teams playing some football dross.
|
|
|
LFC.
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 12K,
Visits: 0
|
well that sucks players not carrying on what they learnt - obviously they have lost their focus. Sounds like 1 step forward 2 steps back regards the coaching therefore dross on the pitch.
Love Football
|
|
|
ErogenousZone
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 4.5K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+xHave you watched any PL games over the years say in Melb D ? Just wondering what you think the standards are like compared to Tassie ? I've seen quite a number of Victorian teams play the best Tassie NPL teams, LFC. I've even briefly coached players who've played in both NPL leagues too. If the best Tassie teams have a good day, a bit of luck and the better Victorian sides have a bad day, less luck, the games have been pretty even. Having said that Brisbane Strikers (Q), Leichhardt APIA ( NSW), have both played slick possession football in Tas in the FFA Cup, a class up from any club here. Last year Marconi played the worst football I've ever seen from a visiting NPL club, where they played utter long ball, kicks and rush dross - in front of a big crowd and a superb pitch at Bellerive Cricket Ground.
Also, whilst playing poorly by their own standards against Tas NPL sides in the FFA Cup, South Melb ( Vic), Sydney United ( NSW) have played really well in the latter rounds of the FFA Cup against HAL teams. Hobart Olympic even got to the final of the defunct National NPL cup , but were outclassed by Bayswater ( WA) in the final. Yet surprisingly, in preseason games, Tas rep sides from the NPL , have given the Mariners some tough games in preseason. The Mariners have played some of their lesser lights and newer players though. They've experimented before the HAL season proper. Yeah but they won. :laugh: It's Ok you're allowed to be a biased football fan. :laugh:
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
+x+x+xHave you watched any PL games over the years say in Melb D ? Just wondering what you think the standards are like compared to Tassie ? I've seen quite a number of Victorian teams play the best Tassie NPL teams, LFC. I've even briefly coached players who've played in both NPL leagues too. If the best Tassie teams have a good day, a bit of luck and the better Victorian sides have a bad day, less luck, the games have been pretty even. Having said that Brisbane Strikers (Q), Leichhardt APIA ( NSW), have both played slick possession football in Tas in the FFA Cup, a class up from any club here. Last year Marconi played the worst football I've ever seen from a visiting NPL club, where they played utter long ball, kicks and rush dross - in front of a big crowd and a superb pitch at Bellerive Cricket Ground.
Also, whilst playing poorly by their own standards against Tas NPL sides in the FFA Cup, South Melb ( Vic), Sydney United ( NSW) have played really well in the latter rounds of the FFA Cup against HAL teams. Hobart Olympic even got to the final of the defunct National NPL cup , but were outclassed by Bayswater ( WA) in the final. Yet surprisingly, in preseason games, Tas rep sides from the NPL , have given the Mariners some tough games in preseason. The Mariners have played some of their lesser lights and newer players though. They've experimented before the HAL season proper. Yeah but they won. :laugh: It's Ok you're allowed to be a biased football fan. :laugh: They might have won, but I’d much rather have seen the slick football played by both APIA Leichardt and Brisbane Strikers a few years ago. They won their games played in Tas and also won some new admirers for the quality of football they played.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Hoping to watch Hobart Olympia v Riverside Olympic today at Warrior Park in the NPL, which is a synthetic pitch.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Just watched Hobart Olympic beat Riverside Olympic 5-1 at Warrior Park, the synthetic pitch.
It was a perfect sunny, winter afternoon for football. Unlike a good mate of mine, a doyen of football journos, I thought it was a decent game compared to the dross served up by Hobart Zebras, South Hobart and Kingborough Lions in the last few weeks at Wentworth Park.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
For those who have sought the name of the player who scored the spectacular volley for Kingborough Lions last week, when I was looking into the sun and couldn’t identify the scorer, it was Adam McKeown.
He has had been a consistent goal scorer in the Tas NPL for quite a few seasons.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
+xJust watched Hobart Olympic beat Riverside Olympic 5-1 at Warrior Park, the synthetic pitch. It was a perfect sunny, winter afternoon for football. Unlike a good mate of mine, a doyen of football journos, I thought it was a decent game compared to the dross served up by Hobart Zebras, South Hobart and Kingborough Lions in the last few weeks at Wentworth Park. What pleased me about this game, considering a mate of mine thought the technical standard was awful, was more game sense displayed by players from both teams. Whereas previously, all of Clarence Zebras, South Hobart and Kingborough Lions had too many players hitting horrible straight hit and hope balls, high long straight balls, or balls that went out of play, plus too many overly aggressive mistimed tackles and too many stoppages, both Hobart Olympic and Riverside played far more angled diagonal balls in possession, and tried to play the ball to feet. Hobart Olympic's Mearns in central midfield was quite dominant, on the ball, and he and his midfield mates, Feral, etc, read the play well enough to frequently disturb Riverside build ups. Hobart Olympic disappointed in the number 9 central striker, Ryan? and left sided player, Declan Brown, son of Clarence coach Andrew Brown, both turned inside too much on their favoured right foot. So often if they'd developed left side of the body play, they would've seen some decent overlapping runs from th left sided Hobart Olympic full back. Ben Hamlett, who is now a body builder, was a more effective central forward when he came on, than the number 9. Although he is an overly aggressive and a too physical player. He has lost his slick dribbling skills he was displaying at age 9-10. Even though Riverside disappointed and were dominated in terms of possession and territory in the second half, given they have a very young team, they also played a lot of decent diagonal balls in their accelerated attacks. Both teams were a plaasure to watch, comparatively, after the three previous Tas NPL teams in the last few weeks. The Riverside keeper was good too. Moreover, he rolled the ball out in Attacking Transitions to build up from the back, as opposed to too many keepers in the last few weeks who've stood like show ponies, wasted valuable time to commence attacks and punted a high straight ball into orbit. This has usually resulted in opposition CBs or midfielders winning heading duels because of more favourable body position in those aerial duels . Th eatery weakness from all tease, given we've done smooch in coach ing courses train gto coach teams in building up fern th aback , thought embodied, is keeping ehball month deck for road handing speed. The off the ball movement from both teams in this game, was vastly superior to the last two games at Wentworth Park. More payers were supporting the ball carrier by openingt better angled passing lanes - but there is still room for massive improvement. I've forgotten the name of the Riverside coach, but I like what he is trying to do. The Riverside attacking players always pressed effectively in full presses in Riverside Ball Possession Opposition, particularly in the first half. Another member of this forum has moved to Tas and coaches the Riverside Olympic women's senior team this season. All teams so far have not held very good shape in mens' NPL, particularly in Ball Possession. Olympia appeared to have a 4-4-2 diamond midfield formation in Ball Possession Opposition. A lot of teams' shape has been hard to identify this season. I'm not sure if NPL coaches are trying to impart one formation for Ball Possession and another for Ball Possession Opposition, but it isn't working too well.
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
I'm not sure what it is like on other states, but the attrition rate of mens' Tas NPL coaches is amazing.
I think in 2013 I trained with all Tas NPL senior coaches undertaking the FFA C Licence, apart from Ken Morton, who already had an A Licence.
I think none of those coaches from the first few years in the Tas NPL in circa 2014, other than Ken aged 73, are still coaching senior NPL men.
Glenn McNeill, who coached Hobart Olympic to the Aus final of the NPL Cup against WA's Bayswater, a Tas NPL premiership (I think) and coached the Tas state team ( with then Tas Tech Dir Spencer Prior) to beat something like Melb City Youth, quit the following year, never to coach at NPL senior level again. Objectively, Glenn has had considerable success, at men's senior NPL level even though he might have had quality cattle on the pitch. Yet he looks like he has quit permanently.
All of Steve Pitchford, Romeo Friediani, Tommy Fojtak, Glen, the Launceston City and Devonport coaches, one being Chris McKenna ( the others whose names escape me), have quit. All were senior NPL coaches in the first few seasons.
Chris Hey, who has had lengthy stints with Zebras and Hobart Olympic senior men's NPL, is possibly coaching women's state league ( he was last year).
Former state FFT Tech Dir, Kurt Reynolds, assistant NTC coaches, Darren Cook and Mark Broadbent, plus head NTC coach Kenny Benjamin, have come and gone coaching men's senior NPL.
The first three of these coaches I've learnt an immense amount from. I've successfully extrapolated their knowledge to players under my tutelage, particularly senior female NPL players . I would have thought with their tactical, organisational and general methodological knowledge, their teams would have had far more success on the pitch, compared to the knowledge base of the coaches they opposed.
Recent Football Fed Vic Tech Dir, David Smith is coaching Clarence Zebras this season. Given David's knowledge base, Clarence Zebras played absolute dross in the two successive games I saw them play a few weeks ago. On paper they have reasonable cattle too.
They featured little systematic build ups through midfield, but played a plethora of adventurous low percentage, high risk longer balls and hit straight aerial balls into space hoping a teammate would run onto it. Consequently, they turned the ball over frequently. They also lost both games.
With visiting mainland teams to Tas playing local NPL teams in the FFA or NPL Cups, Mark Rudan and Jon Anastiadis have progressed to HAL coaching staffs. They probably had their NPL teams playing petty good football, particularly the latter.
The other outstanding visiting coach, in terms of quality of football played on the pitch, was the bespectacled APIA Leichardt coach, who looked like a bit of a nerd. APIA played the slickest football I've seen by a visiting NPL team. Notwithstanding, I did not see John A's Bentleigh Greens in Devonport, but on TV they have played excellent proactive possession football.
What is the NPL coaching attrition rate like in other states?
|
|
|
Decentric
|
|
Group: Awaiting Activation
Posts: 22K,
Visits: 0
|
Saw top team Devonport Strikers beat Clarence Zebras 2-0 on Saturday.
Devonport were the better team and deserved to win. Goals were scored by Todd Hingston and Brodie Denehey just after the 80th minute.
Both teams off the ball movement to support the teammate in possession could have been much better. Devonport were able to move the ball sufficiently and build up as Clabras only had 1 in the attacking time of their 4-2-3-1 formation in Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition.
Also, teams weren't quick enough in Attacking Transitions - the moment a team regains the ball. It was too static.
That is apart form one notable exception, when Strikers' keeper, Nathan Pitchford, came out and took the ball on the edge of his box well, then launched it with pin point accuracy immediately to the right flank where Denehey was already opening a passing lane moving forwards. He received the ball facing forwards a split second after it touched Pitchford's hand and ball carried quickly into the opposition defensive half.
He played a ball across to the middle and a shot went close - all just a few seconds later it hit the Devonport Strikers' keeper's hands.
Jayden Hay and Kane Hatcher played well for Clabras.
Joel Stone did well for Strikers in midfield, despite criticism he holds onto the ball for too long at times.
|
|
|
Decentric 2
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.8K,
Visits: 0
|
Rotten weather in the south for this round, with only one game in the capital.
Devonport beat Glen Knights to stay top of the table.
|
|
|
LFC.
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 12K,
Visits: 0
|
been a bit a rotten weather over the last weekends, Sydney incl but most PL clubs have syn to play on, right down to depending which club in PL4. How many pitchs are synthetic down there D re PL ?
Love Football
|
|
|
Decentric 2
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.8K,
Visits: 0
|
+xbeen a bit a rotten weather over the last weekends, Sydney incl but most PL clubs have syn to play on, right down to depending which club in PL4. How many pitchs are synthetic down there D re PL ? Sorry, have been away and have only just seen this, LFC. Hobart Olympic play on a synthetic pitch. Glenorchy Knights play on the synthetic pitch at Football Fed Tas HQ. Up until last weekend, pitches were in very good nick, with light rain in most of the state for the first two months of winter. Conditions for football have been perfect. Devonport Strikers play on a grass pitch that used to be waterlogged when I used to take rep teams there, but the drainage has improved in recent times. I'm not sure about the current scenario for Launceston for Riverside and Laun City?
|
|
|
Decentric 2
|
|
Group: Forum Members
Posts: 2.8K,
Visits: 0
|
Yesterday Kingborough Lions held ladder leaders, Devonport Strikers to a 1-1 draw playing at their home ground, Lightwood Park.
Hobart Olympic have had their fourth coach in a year, as president George Macaus sacked Andrew Brown.
Rob Clarke, former senior coach and club Tech Dir, has taken over from Andrew Brown.
Declan, Lachlan and Callum, Andrew Brown's three sons, all NPL players, have not confirmed their futures with Hobart Olympic.
|
|
|