National second division is kicking off with or without FFA


National second division is kicking off with or without FFA

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Wonder if FFA can drag this out as long as they have expansion.
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Please note: we have revised our timeline for development of #TheChampionship - but *not* the timeline for implementation. This is because we have not yet had the first working group meeting which will be scheduled for next month, after we've had a chance to meet with FFA again.
5:05 AM · Jan 15, 2018
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I personally like the Bundesliga feel the best, with B2

On the B2 games you have the same on screen graphics and even the Bundeliga plate. Even though it is the Sanaa other leagues with pro rel you get the feeling they are playing towards winning the Bundesliga and you don't have as much of a separation feeling as eg EPL and Champ (EFL).

So I would be happy to have the new A-League logo in gold, have it in silver for Champ and bronze if you had a div 3. When you get to state have it in each state colour eg Qld in maroon, NSW sky blue and so on. All on the same place on the jerseys.

This is do even little kids have it playing on their kits and it's the same at the top clubs, albeit a different colour. Junior team of A-League clubs to use local league colours not gold.
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BA81 - 15 Jan 2018 5:48 PM
bigpoppa - 12 Jan 2018 7:57 PM

My concept for a national pyramid (w/ 3rd tier):


IMO Tier 3 should be split into 2 regions, either East and West, or North and South. This would reduce travel cost which I think would be one of the biggest expenses (disregarding salary) that these clubs would face.

Promotion to Tier 2 would be either a playoff between the top 2 teams in each reagion, or just straight promote the winner of each region. The only problem is that I can't see too many WA teams being competitive in Tier 3 or even Tier 2.

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"Australian championship" happy with that name. big improvement from "the championship"
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bigpoppa - 12 Jan 2018 7:57 PM

My concept for a national pyramid (w/ 3rd tier):




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scott21 - 13 Jan 2018 3:23 PM
Heat vs Fury rebootStill shocking Cairns went with orange and lilac

Mmm saw that. 


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Heat vs Fury reboot



Still shocking Cairns went with orange and lilac
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PricklePear - 12 Jan 2018 7:56 PM
Far right design looks the goods

I like 1,3 and 6 when I see them all. 

I think SU58 and Marconi will apply for the Champ and also perhaps Bonnyrigg. As well the area is WSW so club colours need some consideration. 

They are a new club but I think mainly from SD Raiders people. However I think they want to drop the red and green. 

I dont mind blue and green, given other teams in the are I think you could have maroon and yellow/gold  like Motherwell or Bradford. I would avoid hoops though as to not look so much like WSW. 

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Not sure if the people would think it is too Brisbaney. 

Here are some reviews 

https://www.facebook.com/Southwestsydneyfc/photos/a.1817394635218168.1073741829.1723238781300421/1851042028520095/?type=3&theater


I guess if its green and blue people will complain its too Fairfield and perhaps if maroon too much rams who knows? 
Good that they will have fan forums. 


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Benjamin - 12 Jan 2018 11:28 PM
MarkfromCroydon - 12 Jan 2018 10:13 PM

Article 9.1 reads: 
“A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship shall depend principally on sporting merit. 
A club shall qualify for a domestic league championship by remaining in a certain division or by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season.”

Members of the A-League were selected on business cases rather than sporting merit, as there is no relegation maintaining championship status is also nothing to do with sporting merit either.

I agree with you that they are breaking the spirit of this law (and don't hear me defending them). The problem though is that though that 9.2 provides enough legal wiggle room to render 9.1 irrelevant. It allows participation to be dependent on "financial considerations" and does not define such considerations in such a way that prevents selection based on business cases (even though I think we would all agree that the intent was about the club proving they had the finances to go up, not the member claiming the game didn't have the finances for P&R). From my laymen's perspective (and I could definitely be wrong), it looks like all FFA have to do then is provide a compelling business case that the game can't financially afford to replace broad clubs with other clubs through P&R and they can say they are compliant. 
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MarkfromCroydon - 12 Jan 2018 10:13 PM
What, you mean like currently? The A League fully complies with the statutes you've posted.

Article 9.1 reads: 
“A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship shall depend principally on sporting merit. 
A club shall qualify for a domestic league championship by remaining in a certain division or by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season.”

Members of the A-League were selected on business cases rather than sporting merit, as there is no relegation maintaining championship status is also nothing to do with sporting merit either.
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What, you mean like currently? The A League fully complies with the statutes you've posted.

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Far right design looks the goods

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More action here than expansion will ever bring. 


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Gyfox - 11 Jan 2018 6:48 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 11 Jan 2018 6:43 PM

How it happens will be stated in the new constitution that the NC would have to get through the existing members.  Once the new constitution is approved then the stakeholders identified in that constitution will elect the directors.  The constitution would also specify the nomination process and the qualifications required.  Often a committee shortlists those meeting the requirements.

So,

We get a constitution that is FIFA statute-based, 

Then people who actually can and want to action that constitution stand

Then a board is elected of people who actually want to enact said Statute-friendly Constitution
 

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 11 Jan 2018 6:43 PM
Gyfox - 11 Jan 2018 6:35 PM

Who gets to stand for the new board ?

And who gets to vote on that board ?

How it happens will be stated in the new constitution that the NC would have to get through the existing members.  Once the new constitution is approved then the stakeholders identified in that constitution will elect the directors.  The constitution would also specify the nomination process and the qualifications required.  Often a committee shortlists those meeting the requirements.
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Gyfox - 11 Jan 2018 6:35 PM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 11 Jan 2018 6:20 PM

FIFA won't be putting in a Board.  They will be setting up elections for a new Board.

Who gets to stand for the new board ?

And who gets to vote on those that stand ?

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 11 Jan 2018 6:20 PM
Gyfox - 11 Jan 2018 6:10 PM

Fingers-crossed that FIFA puts in a Board that actually actions FIFA statutes, ie P&R

page 73 of the current FIFA statutes.
Under “Sporting Integrity” in “The Regulations Governing the Application of the Statutes,”
Article 9.1 reads:
“A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship shall depend principally on sporting merit.
A club shall qualify for a domestic league championship by remaining in a certain division or by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season.”


FIFA won't be putting in a Board.  They will be setting up elections for a new Board.
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Gyfox - 11 Jan 2018 6:10 PM
Benjamin - 11 Jan 2018 9:21 AM

FIFA's recent intervention in Mali might give an idea of how quickly they might act.

They had two joint FIFA/CAF visits for discussions which didn't resolve the impasse before they decided to set up a normalisation committee and the NC was given 4 months to review the constitution, identify the true stakeholder representatives, and organise and hold elections for the executive committee.  Nothing in there about sorting out all the stuff that constantly gets talked about here.  All of that will be down to the new Board of FFA and then they will have to work through the organisation of the whole show from the beginning.

http://www.fifa.com/governance/news/y=2017/m=12/news=normalisation-committee-appointed-for-the-malian-fa-2925523.html



Fingers-crossed that FIFA puts in a Board that actually actions FIFA statutes, ie P&R

page 73 of the current FIFA statutes.
Under “Sporting Integrity” in “The Regulations Governing the Application of the Statutes,”
Article 9.1 reads:
“A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship shall depend principally on sporting merit.
A club shall qualify for a domestic league championship by remaining in a certain division or by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season.”



Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Benjamin - 11 Jan 2018 9:21 AM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 11 Jan 2018 7:48 AM


All depends how soon FIFA get here.

In the meantime, FFA are continuing talks because they know if they shut it down without good reason, FIFA is on the next plane...

FIFA's recent intervention in Mali might give an idea of how quickly they might act.

They had two joint FIFA/CAF visits for discussions which didn't resolve the impasse before they decided to set up a normalisation committee and the NC was given 4 months to review the constitution, identify the true stakeholder representatives, and organise and hold elections for the executive committee.  Nothing in there about sorting out all the stuff that constantly gets talked about here.  All of that will be down to the new Board of FFA and then they will have to work through the organisation of the whole show from the beginning.

http://www.fifa.com/governance/news/y=2017/m=12/news=normalisation-committee-appointed-for-the-malian-fa-2925523.html



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Buggalugs 2.0 - 11 Jan 2018 10:59 AM
TheSelectFew - 11 Jan 2018 10:53 AM

I've been saying this for a long time now

Without P&R this will likely wither and die

The an league is so great. 


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TheSelectFew - 11 Jan 2018 10:53 AM
Benjamin - 11 Jan 2018 9:21 AM

We all know this won't last. The FFA will shut it down, use it as an excuse for 10 teams for the next 20 years and people will continue to defend the Lowy's. 

I've been saying this for a long time now

Without P&R this will likely wither and die

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Benjamin - 11 Jan 2018 9:21 AM
Buggalugs 2.0 - 11 Jan 2018 7:48 AM

All depends how soon FIFA get here.

In the meantime, FFA are continuing talks because they know if they shut it down without good reason, FIFA is on the next plane...

We all know this won't last. The FFA will shut it down, use it as an excuse for 10 teams for the next 20 years and people will continue to defend the Lowy's. 


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Redcarded - 17 Dec 2017 9:06 AM
Act are waiting for criteria to be released from what i understand. After we came so close and got burned a lot of public goodwill was lost so they dont want to repeat that again.

Good. Whats the point of striving for something when there is no clear criteria of what the potential expansion teams need.



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Buggalugs 2.0 - 11 Jan 2018 7:48 AM
I guess it folds on March 2nd then

All depends how soon FIFA get here.

In the meantime, FFA are continuing talks because they know if they shut it down without good reason, FIFA is on the next plane...
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I guess it folds on March 2nd then


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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paulbagzFC - 6 Jan 2018 7:14 PM
Finally.

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TIMELINE FOR IMPLEMENTATION

November to February
Stakeholder Consultation
19 January 2018
AAFC calls for expression of interest from clubs interested in participation in The Championship
9 February 2018
Expressions of interest close
2 March 2018
FFA endorsement required
29 March 2018
The Championship Bid document made available on payment of $10,000 fee
25 May 2018
Bids close
May to July 2018
Bids assessed by Nous Group
August 2018
Nous Group report to AAFC Board
September 2018
Successful bidders notified
October 2018
Licenses issued
October 2019
Start of The Championship

Timeline - THE CHAMPIONSHIP

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paulbagzFC - 6 Jan 2018 7:14 PM
Finally.

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This will put to bed whether the FFA want to grow our game or grow agendas. 


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