🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 sure thing. I watched the presser. 

Sorry, I know it doesnt suit the narrative but Dan confirmed at the presser that there is no link from the protests to any super spreader events. Today the blame was put on AFL grand final parties, although again how they know that is a mystery since they confirmed yesterday that they cant actually interview everyone within 24 hours so are sending txts to the infected. Blame the media, blame the protesters (not BLM or the Melbourne Supporters, they were safe) blame the nebuliser, blame the removalists, blame the security guards, blame the feds, blame the AFL GF, blame Gladys, blame everyone but the person who is meant to be in charge. Welcome to Danistan.

Gladys gaslighting Victoria once again due to the fact we over took nsw. That smirk says it all. Also the media today were idiots down here again asking if we were in lockdown why did the cases go up??? Are they fucking serious??

Are they actually right wing or just happy to cash in off people's ignorance? 

Edit: should have read the article first.

I didn't point anything towards Dan re the infection spicks but mentioning about sticking to whatever open plan was down.

The rest is all blame blame as well for me now, people period know right from wrong despite what they listen to in the media, those who were part of it are plain selfish morons, I'd be more pissed with them despite how pathetic our media is - we can't control it but people can do the right thing.
For me in Sydney our spicks was because similar type of people in your protests - just JDGAF - either Leaders warned them to comply, thats who you should listen to like most of us abiding despite who you back in your State.

Anyway I'm more annoyed for you people who comply, they have fucked youse up more I expect yet they are the ones complaining being locked up.
Seriously what dicks.

I want to get down to Melb just like many wish to head north from down there or west or wherever, such a shit show.

I signed up to the uap with 5 different names and addresses and gave them the most ridiculous emails possible. They don't check them so I'm getting emails for a one Kevin Fletcher on kevsasexmachine@gmail.com 

Very interesting. About all the money right wing groups are making off vaccine hesitancy and having pushers like Craig Kelly

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/28/covid-telehealth-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-hacked/

I think a lot of ppl probbaly had GF parties and that's the massive uptick.

But as Carlito said, murdoch media here has been actively telling people to disobey

Can't blame Dan at all. This is what happens when the riots got egged on by the media.  Did we forget the some rules are meant to be broken op ed by Andrew bolt? Or how every media outlet and brekkie  news piled on us?  Now they are I'm hiding.  

Poor ol Melb is cranking up with infections as expected since those 3/4days of protests and all.
Mate I hope for you guys down there Dan alter plans of openning but all depends how blown out this will become.

truly is sad but what happens all over the developed world.
No matter the social differences comes down to the education and a lot of the other factors linked to economic status as mcjules quoted.

The education of upbringing falls into it no matter the economics and big influence in your life growing up, to then having a fam.
Some people are taught prevention is better than cure by their parents, others only react when in need though much could have been avoided.
Some live day by day, pro active and not, us humans all have our ways.

The cfmeu building is now a tier 1 site. With setka and four staff having to isolate as some police. 

That really makes me sad.  I hope whomever is responsible for all of this can do something about it. 

No one should have to die of this when we have a widely available preventative. 

Closing in. Know a few people that have it now. 

All just numbers on a spreadsheet mate.

Also wanted to say NSW are going to prove why it is impractical and stupid to start shutting down places that infected people visit as part of opening up

We all know the vaccinated can catch and spread it but they are using shutting down businesses as some kind of threat to deter the unvaccinated and ensure businesses are doing the right thing

When you are reporting 800 cases a day and looking at opening up, how can you be sure that the vaccinated people visiting businesses can't catch the virus

The first are usually the pilot and if this is enough for Australia to realise they need to move away from their old toolset then I welcome it. Feel sorry for the businesses that are forced to yo-yo in and out of lockdown in the meantime

Thats interesting because it didnt say they were 4 times more likely to catch it, but 4 times more likely to die from it. The fact the article doesnt mention total infection rates usually means intentional statistical manipulation because thats a key stat. From that I can infer that poor people are less likely to catch it

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/poorer-australians-four-times-more-likely-to-die-of-covid-19/100448564

More in the article.

For sure, and I agree education and a lot of the other factors are linked to economic status. There's going to be a disparity but hopefully it won't be too high. I'm quite optimistic that most areas will at least get into the high 80% in SA.

This is an interesting side discussion and I dont have any data or answers so I'm just speculating here and will have to go by what others say. But Covid doesnt strike me as a poor person's disease

I can recall two or three social housing facilities being locked down and due to the mingling they do it usually runs through the complexes like wildfire. But there doesnt seem to be a direct link between average mid 20s Jo holidaying around the world and then coming back to mingle with the disadvantaged. People have been socially distancing from "those people" before the virus made it fashionable

We do see trends of it impacting the elderly which could be either people wanting to spend a crisis with those they may never see again, or people using compassionate grounds to leave the house

Again, I dont have the data so I could be completely wrong I'm just going on wild speculation or best guess. And yes, things will change when we open up over time as the virus passes through different channels

It's a big problem, yep.

The inevitable deaths we talk about once we open up after hitting nation-wide and state-wide vaccine targets will predominantly not be in Mosman or Toorak.

I did mention access I think in my post above that one. That lack of access has now permeated through generations too.

Anyway, I agree that it's skewed by who has been eligible BUT are you telling me you couldn't guess which suburbs would be lagging and which would be leading?

Do you also believe that a similar disparity won't be present in another month or two when younger people have been eligible for a more reasonable time frame? The gap may well close but I'm willing to bet we will still see a decent gap.

Education is definitely a factor. There are other reasons for the disparity though such as the age demographics of the areas. Burnside, Unley etc have a much higher proportion of older people who have been eligible for longer compared to Salisbury and Elizabeth.

There also are studies that show that people in poorer and regional areas do not have the same level of access to medical services as people from wealthier areas. Considering big parts of the vaccine rollout is involving GPs, pharmacies and other allied health services, this is almost certainly having an impact.

We used the same word in different contexts

When I said education I meant "Covid education". As in, the message from the pollies about Covid is hitting everybody from the same channels for the same duration of time. You can be assured various state "welfare and disadvantaged" departments are making sure the message is being translated into every language and pamphlets are being handed out to everybody

What you are touching on, which is kinda the point I am making, is the rendering of said message by the organism - from people who grew up in different backgrounds or have different levels of understanding. Their interpretation and how they act on it is going to be different

To be honest I dont think its the uneducated / disadvantaged who are anti vaxx conspirers nor do I think its the uneducated / disadvantaged who are flat earthers or the uneducated / disadvantaged who think they're going to have a bad day if they were born during a certain month. There is a difference between being smart and being wise. By that point what I mean is you cant teach somebody to be "pro vaxx" in the same way you can teach somebody to add numbers together

As I said, people just dont have the same level of hysteria about Covid. There's no vaccine for missing a mortgage payment or not being able to buy school supplies for a child when you dont have a job

Before I even read the rest, when I say education I don't mean they don't have access to the same internet studies we have. 

I'm talking education from the day you're born through to maybe 15 years old.

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think there is any data to suggest poor people / cities dont have the same level of access to the vaccine as rich people, nor do they have a different level of access to the education and campaigns

Any discrepancy comes back to "choice" which is what I was saying earlier in the week about the complexity of vaccine uptake

Some people, particularly those who have lost their job, house, family, friends, impaired education, supported networks etc..., just dont show the same level of care about this single strain of flu the way rich people might. Nor do they support this idea of "all being in it together" by people who will be the first to abandon their needs when this "ends"

No surprise the three cities leading the vaccine race (ACT, NSW, Vic) are the ones currently in lockdown and are threatening to stay that way until thresholds are met. Australia did not do a good job of selling why people should get the vaccine, and only NSW are trying to sell the notion thats once they do it will be over. Something I sincerely hope they dont back pedal from

Other countries simpy dont have the same problems as Australia are having. "Here's a vaccine. Get it or don't. We're now open guys"

That's def true. 

They don't often have the chance to isolate etc and live weekly in regards to $.

yeah agree with all that 

I mean I totally agree with that, don't think that it's that controversial. 

The uneducated find dodgy easy answers to hard questions and very much often have a chip on their shoulder for their lot in life.

I don't think the motivation of the 1,000 protestors lines up exactly with all 100,000 (or whatever) un-vaxed in our northern suburbs (poor areas).

Lack of education early in life filters all the way down through your life.

There is also often a general distrust of doctors/health professionals or anyone who they perceive as looking down on them/judging them. 

Access to services is another factor I'm sure ie. having to get 2 busses with 5 kids (yeah yeah their choice) isn't as easy as me getting the afternoon off work to drive down the street.


Any way you slice it, to me, its a sad situation we find ourselves in as a society where i can guess the suburbs based purely on wealth so so easily

The lockdowns are impacting poorer people more than the rich. The rich have savings, more likely to work from home, have larger properties, can afford takeaway/delivery, etc