19 cases in QLD today. More proof that snap lockdown when there was one unseeded case was nothing more than specious reasoning

Journo: "Why is Bunnings open? It's closed in Queensland."

Gladys: "Next question."

I never pivoted any discussion. I just noticed the weasle worded 'Cloth masks'  Who is telling people to put a cloth over their face? You can get proper masks from any chemist ffs. Nobody is suggesting wearing mesh lingerie on your face. 

I am not pro or anti anything. I could not give two craps what anyone does. But to suggest lockdowns (if executed properly) or the correct masks are worn are not effective at reducing virus spread is bordering on moronic at best. 

So I take it you don't wear a mask?

Nobody is arguing that. Fact: They arent in the slightest bit being executed properly

I live in regional Victoria and on the 2 August 2020 we were told to wear face masks. It was only going to be 3 or 4 weeks to manage a concerning and out of control outbreak. Then towards the end of August when Victoria didnt have a single bullet point for opening up there was an announcement face masks will be a thing of the next 6 months. They had nothing else planned. It has turned out to be 12 months and counting and it has already been said they will feature next year

Last year in NSW an epidemiologist announced if face masks arent made mandatory the tail would last 100 days (which is just ridiculous). They were introduced for the first time by law in NSW. The tail lasted less than 2 weeks. Mask laws were still in place when the next outbreak occurred 65 days after the previous one

Dont kid yourself into thinking face masks laws are a balanced response to control a rapidly moving concerning outbreak. CHOs wanted them to be regulated by law at the start of the pandemic and everything is just an excuse to roll them out. NSW even started their response for the latest outbreak with nothing more than a week of face mask laws, which was then extended to 2 weeks

Australia has completely gotten this one wrong to the point any benefit they may have had during an outbreak has been nullified by excessive forceful use when there wasnt any viral activity. Thats something a private lab experiment of 2 people sneezing on each other at close distance doesnt teach you

I wear a mask because I am mandated to wear one. The nanosecond the laws are rolled back is the nanosecond I roll back my usage. I dont wear them for any other reason

I wear a seat belt because they save lives and if they rolled back the laws I would still wear one

Before laws were made mandatory there was estimated to be 60% voluntary usage during outbreaks. L:ast stats were only 50% of Victorians were wearing them despite them being law. If you think thats a positive thing then I can understand why you would support mask laws for the sake of mask laws when there is no viral activity

Muz, dont argue with me, argue with the US CDC, the Euro CDC and WHO as they have the same opinion, there is no real scientific evidence that cloth masks offer any protection.

Sorry you cant use seatbelts as an example in your argument as there is actual scientific evidence proving their effectiveness. I'd suggest a better example is Vitamin C helps prevent catching a cold, many people do it because its a popular myth but has been proven false by multiple scientific studies. Yet I bet you have Vitamin C in your house right now, I know I have.

Unless you are wearing a medical mask and following proper medical protocols, 100% mask wearing is a waste of time. In fact here is what the Euro CDC says is required for proper mask use and tell me anyone you know who does this, I certainly dont know or have seen anyone doing this:

Appropriate use of face masks is important. The face mask should completely cover the face from the bridge of the nose down to the chin [ie no gaps anywhere]. Clean hands with soap and water or alcohol-based hand sanitiser before putting on and taking off the face mask. When taking off the face mask, remove it from behind, avoiding to touch the front side. Dispose the face mask safely if it is disposable. Wash your hands or apply alcohol-based hand sanitiser immediately after removing the face mask. Washable, reusable face masks should be washed as soon as possible after each use, using common detergent at 60 °C.

In relation to mask wearing, I only wear mine when I have to due to the fines imposed by our authoritarian government. But like when I had to stay at home after 9pm during lock down because covid only came out at night.

Oh TSF, you crack me up and really need to get out more.

In answer to your question about who is telling people to put cloth on their face, well actually it is the Australian Government and here is the link so you can make a cloth mask yourself:

      Coronavirus (COVID-19) – How to make a cloth mask     

          This document gives instructions for making a cloth face mask. It also includes advice on how to wear them and wash them.                                      

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/how-to-make-cloth-mask

And you will find every state also does the same, here is Vic gov link:
https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-09/design-and-preparation-cloth-masks-covid-19-doc.pdf

Actually, I would suggest that taking the medical advice of of an anonymous poster on a football forum like you ahead of actual Medical Organizations like WHO, US CDC and Euro CDC would be moronic. If you dont like what they are saying on this topic take it up with them.

I'm just interested in why people get so burred up about it.

But thanks for letting me know why you don't think it's a good idea. (Same AJF.)

Colleague in the US said that's how he got his vaccine. I'm just pissed our roll out wasn't properly planned. 

Why do we always go back to the mask debate? It's pointless.

It's 'not a race' remember.

Its still not a race, are there any actual dates by when the targets are planned to be hit

This is a real world situation hitting every Australian every day. People managing their own mental health is critical for getting through an unprecedented situation. Being able to jump, kick, scream and yell in a cave is better than suppressing thoughts and feelings because it isnt popular opinion of the select few

People like myself and AJF have been hit with 12 consecutive months of pointless (as you correctly pointed out) mask laws with no end in sight. If you want to be helpful then simply agree if you dont have a strong opinion on the other side of the argument because nothing can be more helpful or reassuring than somebody knowing they arent alone or being irrational in their suffering

Face masks might seem like a tiny insignificant thing that cost a few cents and are a piece of cake to wear, but they do take their toll when regulated by force in month after month after month. Especially when piled on top of everything else

Australia needs to scale back its response because it is absolutely ridiculous and they arent saving anything for an actual emergency

Take their toll? Listen to yourself. When you put a shirt on do you need counselling? FFS. 

Millions can apparently cope but you need a safe space.

RUOK?

No dates but they have said 80% vaccinated is a marker for reopening in a broad sense. (As discussed above I don't think they'll get to 80% any time soon.) In terms of opening up and getting things back to normal(ish) it is very definitely a race.

Wish Slomo would actually get cracking.  Every single drive-in testing clinic should be stocked with vaccines. Get tested, get vaccinated. (If you want.)

To be honest I dont think you have the capacity to understand what some people are going through so I'm not going to engage

By the way: The RUOK hashtag shouldnt be used after trying to make somebody feel weak

Educate yourself fool

Thoughts and prayers.
Stunning and brave.

Lol to understand basic science you don’t need to work in a nuclear laboratory 😂

To drive a car you don’t need to be a mechanic. 

Please quote my sweeping statement. I can only see basic facts that anyone with anything above a year 9 education can wrap their head around, 

No you haven't

You've taken a study that recommends that cloth masks are not the best in high risk environments and twisted that to say mask wearing in general is completely ineffective. 

The only thing that proves is that you are a liar.

 

Just a quick glance at any of the sources AJF has posted shows he is cherry picking certain points and omitting others. 

Pathetic. 

That health sheila from Qld on the telly. 'We tested 51000 people yesterday, that's a great result.'

Imagine if every one of those fuckers getting tested were vaccinated at the same time. This bastard thing would be over already.

Well it was on Breitbart so there's that too.

Pathetic is not providing any facts to back up what you claim. Every exert I have posted is 100% correct and direct from the sources I provided.

I challenge you to provide a source and reference which clearly states cloth masks are good at preventing covid infection.

Dont argue with me, argue with the medical authorities making those statements in official publications.

Also I know you have shown to be a bit slow on numerous occasions but as I stated before, the topic is cloth masks, not medical masks.

Here's an interesting question for you, if cloth masks are effective, why arent they recommended for use in medical applications? Surely the covid found in hospitals isnt that different to that in Coles? If cloth masks protect Joe Public why wouldnt they protect Dr Nick?

I know it is difficult for kids when their mommy takes away their security blanket, but it is part of growing up. After the shock you may actual read the information like an adult and understand the cloth masks you are using do very little and because you and pretty much everyone else in the general population dont follow strict infection control procedures when handling them, they do even less.

If you want to wear a face mask because it makes you feel safe, go for it. But me, I prefer to feel the open air on my face whenever possible. Being able to see another person's face in full puts you more at ease, and I'm sure there's been studies to correlate this. Walking around all day where you can only see somebody's eyes creates an underlying feeling of unease and suspicion e.g what are they hiding? Plus (as outlined already here) wearing a mask makes little to no difference. Not comparable with seat-belts (and I'll get onto vehicle safety in a moment) Yet it continues to be made mandatory as a form of tokenism, soothing the fears of people who wipe down the receiver of pay phones. Probably the same people that told their kids not to sit in the aisle seats of the cinema because a drug dealer might walk part, stab them with a syringe and get them hooked.

For what it's worth, a lifetime ago I took part in motorsports. I had no problem wearing a full body race-suit, gloves, enclosed boots, a fireproof balaclava and a helmet over the top of that- even on a hot day. I had no problem doing so because I understood the real risk factor, and that the driver apparel served those benefits in the event of an accident and/ or a fire. But being told that every time I enter a building I have to remember to tie a bandanna around my face, for no real benefit other than the appearance of "doing the right thing" is a pain in the arse.

So there's the comfort, convenience and personal preference factor sure, but I am most frustrated by it because (as with their policy concerning lockdowns) it's like our governments have learned nothing in the last 18 months and are still acting like it's March 2020 and they think we're on the cusp of The Black Plague 2.0. And if x clearly isn't working or is only making a minimal difference, rather than taking a step back and going "Maybe x isn't the answer and we can take a more nuanced/ relaxed approach to this?" instead they go "No, the fact x isn't working like we thought means we just need to do x harder!" They're too stubborn and set in their ways, and then wonder why people are increasingly taking an indifferent, even hostile approach to anything they say.

As I mentioned the interview was conducted on CNN so you lefties should be satisfied, but when the facts dont suit your narrative, anything and everything is suitable to try discredit it.

‘You lefties’ ha ha

If I google up 'do masks work for Covid' I get dozens of pages explaining exactly why they do work so why is that?