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+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football Because the interest just isn’t there.
That’s it.
For years I’ve thought there was, and that the right model would result in thousands more at matches and watching on tv. It won’t. There’s just no large scale genuine week-to-week interest in a National pro comp.
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+x+x+xAt the end of the day it comes down to what people expect.... Second we need to cut out myths and half truths spoken about as if they are the absolute truth...dispelling some myths below and puts on helmet... Myth 1.... we have never had a professional league and we don't have established competitions above grass roots.... Myth 2 .... since the mid 70's the migrant demographic has shifted from European to Indian / Asian / Middle Eastern.... these groups simply don't bring the same level of skill and likening of Football as Europeans did... Myth 3 ... we have never ever aside from the golden gen had a great local Australian side most of the 74 side were born oversees... many of that golden gen were actually developed by the AIS .... Myth 4... the NSL ... however successful that league may have been or who they developed... the mix of teams in the NSL was never ever and even now going to get broad stream community support and acceptance... Myth 5... we have never had good management... jury still out on JJ and Townsend... Myth 6 ... the answer is simple.... Myth 7 ... its an easy fix... Myth 8.... it can be done quickly ... Reflecting on this list, I have this starting point. Some 18 years ago, the then Aust PM handpicked one man to start over. This man happened to be the wealthiest Australian and probably one of the most influential. In aid of this re-set, the Commonwealth Govt paid out tens of millions of dollars in debt, owed by Soccer australia, and from there, we get the FFA and A-League starting with clean sheets. That series of events was a once in a century thing, don't expect to see that again in our lifetime. So I disagree with anyone who thinks we have to blow it all up and start again (not referring to you here, just a general comment). We already did blow it all up and start again. That's it, already happened, ain't going to happen again. Furthermore, we've gone from a situation where that one wealthy, powerful man could dictate terms to everyone, and get away with it, to now having a situation where power has become a bit more diffuse, but worse than that, we've allowed a handful of foreign entities to take on a lot of control of key elements of Australian football. Good thing or bad thing? No one can say one way or the other, but there are now some very powerful vested interests involved, and there is no guarantee that we're on a path to something a whole lot better. You kinda nailed Australian Football history.... 1955 a bunch of wealthy men took over and over from the then ruling associations in NSW... The NSL same.... wealthy men and wealthy groups controlling the game... A-League a richer and more elite bunch of wealthy men take over..... We have had over 60 years of the same thing recycled mostly by the same man in Frank Lowy leading the charge in all three....from 1955 to 2022 is 67 years .... thats a lot to unwrap and a long time for little powerful groups to develop... I honestly don't know the answer... as built into the belief system is the ..."""'If Only""" myth and this myth has believers thinking nay has believers having blind faith in to fix the problems is both easy and simple... Mid, If you read the resolution of the meeting that set up the new federation in Sydney in Jan 1957 you won't see Frank Lowy's signature among the 27 on the document. If you look at the interim committee of management that the meeting voted in you won't see Lowy on the list. Lowy arrived in Sydney as a 22 year old in 1952 and although he set up a delicatessen with Saunders in Blacktown they hadn't diversified into property development until later that decade and they opened their first Westfields in Blacktown in 1959. Lowy didn't become President of the Hakoah club until 1970 so although he was around and may have been involved in the club when the NSW Federation of Clubs was established I don't think you are right in saying that he was involved as a leader in all 3 rebuilds of football. He definitely was involved in establishing the "NSL". He and Alex Pongrass drove that.
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+x+x+x+xWhat have the FA done differently this year than the last 16 years though? You mention that the first 6 years where a good approach yet this was the very beginning ( the root of all evil if you will) of the manufacturing process you so dislike. Not only did the FFA establish a league, they funded some of the newly created teams and, through a shopping centre MLS lite model they manufactured the other participants in this farce. The 30% of existing soccer fans ( pre Aleague) who would be willing to follow an Australian league are still out there, they haven't died off yet, they just need a reason to attend or watch on TV..... that reason is THEIR club....,,,, It's not action, but intent. I'll give one example Season 5: Top 6 established with view for 14 team competition (2 x H/A and top 6). Introduced early to cement season start and end date into sports calendar and establish pattern Season 7 or 8: Top 6 re-established. Finals are exciting and if more teams can make it then we get crowds til the end of the year plus with one chance only its super duper exciting and anybody can win, and oh wow!, think about the upsets we are going to have Thats the difference between seasons 1-6 and onwards. Direction and philosophy Every single league established in Australia will have the same starting point because it will be a low cost model that needs to be expanded. Even the J League and K League started with the same model. But its the blue print, intent and direction that makes it a sensible model. This is an egg, that is an egg, but its about what hatches out of it. Not just saying they are both eggs The starting point for the league was a necessary evil. One team per city, salary cap, invitational only... The problem was when the FFA decided to box it, label it, and present it as the finished product in season 7 with their consolidation approach. And every gimmick that came thereafter Sorry bluebird, I just don't see the difference between establishing a league with 8 new made up franchises and leaving out existing clubs and then 6 years later doing the same thing. Intent or no intent to grow the league, it has and WAS never intended to be via sporting merit or to the benefit of soccer at any level in Australia. It is and will remain a closed off series of entertainment events (just like a TV series each year with its run of episodes) with no sporting merit, no concern for the development of a player pool for the national squads and no concern for building and defining the football culture we all seem to be wanting, old fans and new. You know it was only 2 out of the 8 that were brand new: Sydney and Victory. Perth, Adelaide and Newcastle were already in the NSL, Roar were founded by an ex-NSL club, while NZ Knights (Football Kingz) and Central Coast Mariners (Northern Spirit) had connections with NSL predecessors. A little pointless to the argument in my opinion but ok, Adelaide where literally formed ( in the mould of Glory and Spirit and Carlton Fc) a year before the demise of the NSL, the rest, the links are tenuous but whatever, fact remains that they where established / remade as franchise paying corporations. With control given to the governing body.... NOT organic, existing football clubs.
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+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month",
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+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances )
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+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah
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+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts.
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+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. This whole website has become not much more more than an annoying irrelevance, sadly
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ".
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby Middlesbrough as well
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby Newcastle and Sunderland are both in the same county, Tyne and Wear, so it is local.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby Newcastle and Sunderland are both in the same county, Tyne and Wear, so it is local. Sure, but I just provided an example of a "derby" between two cites in seperate counties. It's seems pretty clear the word "derby" is used to describe rivalries beyond one city.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby Newcastle and Sunderland are both in the same county, Tyne and Wear, so it is local. Sure, but I just provided an example of a "derby" between two cites in seperate counties. It's seems pretty clear the word "derby" is used to describe rivalries beyond one city. Look that may be the case in Australia, but not in the UK. Maybe also it is just today's generation that want to cheapen things, but i don't buy it. Out of interest, do you call MUFC v LFC a derby ? Or in the A league Sydney against the cows ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby Newcastle and Sunderland are both in the same county, Tyne and Wear, so it is local. Sure, but I just provided an example of a "derby" between two cites in seperate counties. It's seems pretty clear the word "derby" is used to describe rivalries beyond one city. Out of interest, do you call MUFC v LFC a derby ? Or in the A league Sydney against the cows ? Type "north west derby" into google and see what pops up. As for Macauthur I honesty don't care enough to have even think about it. There is no rivalry to speak of, but I guess technically as both clubs are in the greater Sydney region, yes it is. Just learnt that the term originates from the Rugby league rivalry between St Helens and Wigan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Helens_R.F.C.–Wigan_Warriors_rivalry
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Outlook for the tv ratings/viewer numbers for tonights game Good result 120k +Pass mark 100k + Dissapointing 85-100k Disaster 75-85k
RIP - less than 75k
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+xOutlook for the tv ratings/viewer numbers for tonights game Good result 120k +Pass mark 100k + Dissapointing 85-100k Disaster 75-85k
RIP - less than 75k
I think some teams will draw bigger ratings like they do in other countries. Victory and wanderers should get bigger attention then mariners and Newcastle
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Hahahahah did chuckle at this one.
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Not sure what it’s like in Sydney but Melbourne is pretty much in an unofficial lockdown now, the place is dead, if any Saturday night was gonna rate extremely well it would have to be this one.
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+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football Because the interest just isn’t there.
That’s it.
For years I’ve thought there was, and that the right model would result in thousands more at matches and watching on tv. It won’t. There’s just no large scale genuine week-to-week interest in a National pro comp. What rubbish. Does the A-League have the same level of popularity as the NRL or AFL? Of course not. But prior to Covid it had aggregate attendance of 1.5-2 million spectators per season for around 10 years straight. That was a solid basis to build upon, and indeed, with the bigger clubs averaging 15-20k a game (Victory, Wanderers, Sydney), the challenge was more to expand professional football to new corners of the game (i.e. through A-League expansion and a second division, transitioning to a full pyramid over time). As we know, however, the game descended into civil war, the second division was stalled and expansion has been mostly botched. Combined with Covid that means that the challenge now is to return to the status quo ante of the early 2010s. But that's an indication of administrative ills, rather than latent interest in Australian club football. As for the FFA Cup, it's a great competition, giving top tier clubs extra competitive games and shining a spotlight on lower tier clubs every now and again. Combined with the advent of the NPL, you could even argue that it has led to something of a renaissance in lower division football in recent years. It's something for the existing football community to get excited about, and so expectations have to be set accordingly. You're not going to sell out the MCG, but getting a few thousand people to a pokey suburban ground to watch an NPL side on a cold midweek night is already an achievement.
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+xNot sure what it’s like in Sydney but Melbourne is pretty much in an unofficial lockdown now, the place is dead, if any Saturday night was gonna rate extremely well it would have to be this one. Yep, most ppl are at home, theres no excuses (the tennis is not an excuse)
i really cant see Channel 10 keeping the league on their main channel for more than a few more weeks if it keeps getting 60-80k and NCIS or whatever the fark they have on 10Bold is getting a bit over 100k
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhat I don’t get about the argument is how come the Ffa cup is not exactly setting the world on fire with ratings and attendance? That’s new football vs old football I think you'll find that the only half decent crowds are in fact new football vs old football mate... City vs Wellington ( bizarrely played at Bentleigh Greens ground?????) drew less than WU against anybody.... and thats pretty dire. Blame covid, blame restrictions, blame poor streaming, shit even blame the ethnics, but they had less people at the Heath than the St Kilda vs Richmond women's AFL game had today, played on Channel 7 in HD in some paddock in Frankston in torrential rain......,,,, Nevertheless, perhaps ask yourself, if Melbourne CFG City where banished for being foreign owned and therefore forced to only play in the Victorian state league for the next 17 years, against clubs with 20 fans and the canteen lady turning up to cheer them on, without having any opportunity to be promoted, appear on national television, be ruthlessly reviled and hated at every turn ..... how many members do you think your hallowed club would have left? The fact that clubs like Hellas, Croatia, Alexander, Marconi, APIA, Olympic, Juve actually still exist and have passionate fans is the real miracle here, that's "real football" vs "whatever the f@ck the bankers let you call it this month", Historically this country has always had poor attendances for anything outside derbies or grand finals. That includes back in your State league cup winning days. However wehave seen decent attendances if not good ones in the first 5 or 6 years of the present incarnation of football in Australia. To whatever people think of me , i am not happy about this. ( the low attendances ) Solution is simple then, call every game a derby ........ oh shit they've already tried that. Hahahahahah That has to stop immediately. FFS , the distance derby and the F3 derby are toe curling efforts. The term "distance derby" is supposed to be light hearted and humorous in nature. Fuck this thread is so serious and depressing. And what's wrong with the F3 derby? Newcastle and Central Coast are genuine local rivals and it's an Ok name for it. I guess it's not a British name like "The Ham upon Castle Derby" so he doesn't like it. Derbies are from the same city or town, hence the name "Local Derby ". All others are mere "Rivalries ". Newcastle and Sunderland are the same city? I'm sure fans of both clubs would disagree with that. There are also English derbies named after motorways that connect two cities as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M69_derby Newcastle and Sunderland are both in the same county, Tyne and Wear, so it is local. Sure, but I just provided an example of a "derby" between two cites in seperate counties. It's seems pretty clear the word "derby" is used to describe rivalries beyond one city. Out of interest, do you call MUFC v LFC a derby ? Or in the A league Sydney against the cows ? Type "north west derby" into google and see what pops up. As for Macauthur I honesty don't care enough to have even think about it. There is no rivalry to speak of, but I guess technically as both clubs are in the greater Sydney region, yes it is. Just learnt that the term originates from the Rugby league rivalry between St Helens and Wigan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Helens_R.F.C.–Wigan_Warriors_rivalry If the supporters of MUFC & LFC refuse to call it a derby then that sits fine by me. I prefer to listen to the people not Google. Most of these so called Derbies only originated in 1992 when Sky decided to re-write history.
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+xNot sure what it’s like in Sydney but Melbourne is pretty much in an unofficial lockdown now, the place is dead, if any Saturday night was gonna rate extremely well it would have to be this one. The problem is the low quality of the football. The MV v Adelaide game was awful up to the last 10 minutes. I only kept watching after half time because I was doing other things too,and I'm a about as rusted on to the the A league as you can get. That kind of game and the awful first Sydney derby will drive away exactly the same kind of viewers Ten were hoping the comp would attract. My feeling is that those potential viewers gave made update their minds already. That the A league is a boring, substandard competition, and the ratings reflect this and won't improve. And you know what? Apart from the odd exception this is season so far, they are right. I know that there are all sorts of pressures on the clubs, but the current standard of play is rocket bottom, and there is an dearth offer exiting players. I saw glimpses of the one in the Brook last night. Looking at the shots on the target stars from last night. You can read why the A league is dead as television sport right there.
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+x+xNot sure what it’s like in Sydney but Melbourne is pretty much in an unofficial lockdown now, the place is dead, if any Saturday night was gonna rate extremely well it would have to be this one. The problem is the low quality of the football. The MV v Adelaide game was awful up to the last 10 minutes. I only kept watching after half time because I was doing other things too,and I'm a about as rusted on to the the A league as you can get. That kind of game and the awful first Sydney derby will drive away exactly the same kind of viewers Ten were hoping the comp would attract. My feeling is that those potential viewers gave made update their minds already. That the A league is a boring, substandard competition, and the ratings reflect this and won't improve. And you know what? Apart from the odd exception this is season so far, they are right. I know that there are all sorts of pressures on the clubs, but the current standard of play is rocket bottom, and there is an dearth offer exiting players. I saw glimpses of the one in the Brook last night. Looking at the shots on the target stars from last night. You can read why the A league is dead as television sport right there. *exciting players
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I would add to that that we are also seeing the impact of having so many streaming options on tap. For example, after the name, I tuned into the fantastic Korean sci-fi series The Silent Sea, and it was wildly entertaining, fabulous stuff. A million miles more entertaining then anything the A-League has served up this season, and I think people are under estimating the effect this kind of competition is having on A-League viewing numbers. Isn't quite the same for rugby league and 4 AFL because they are so firmly established as mass sports, but for a competition trying to establish itself the streaming services a major problem.
Sport is entertainment and the A League isn't measuring up.
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84k watched last night on channel 10
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