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I can't help thinking there are many new dawners who are very happy with the closed shop format.
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+xI can't help thinking there are many new dawners who are very happy with the closed shop format. I agree. Right now the organisation that is holding everything up, is Football Australia. They are indecisive. Within their administration, they firstly don't like it that the AAFC came up with a model, hence they had to come up with their own model, a Conferenced competition. From which they say there are "savings" on travel, actually these are minimal. Layer in that the Football Australia Adminstrators have had to deal with some APL whispers about having U23 B teams in their preffered conferenced competition. And then deal with the demands of the rightousness of the PFA, who want to start with a Rolls Royce rather than Commodore. So, its all upto Football Australia right now.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the end it just makes sense. Our current National Second Tier is compromised of 6 states and 2 territories. We have 129 Clubs, at last count, in our NST. That's over 2,500 players. Having 12-16 teams in a NSD, will see the best of the best playing at this level. The standard will obviously be better, it's just common sense. Every day its delayed, is a day lost to improving our football ecosystem. I agree, the 12-16 best suads below the A-leagues,if professional and full time, will deliver all the quality we need and then some. The issues are 'how' to fund it, not 'if' to do it. Once it's in place, the next economic hurdle is P/R - again a debate on 'how' not 'if'. Once the 'how' is funded, the 'if' will follow. Is there a checklist the Philistines arm you guys with before sending you out into the interwebby? Something like: ""Reasons why we can never have Pro/Rel in Australia...... (Plan #1000034)"" 1) Claim there are not enough players. 2) Australia is a very large country, pretend 4 hour flights from one end to a other are so far out of reach for all but billionaires. 3)AFL and NRL are yet to implement it so must wait to see what they do 4)Australia is unique. 5)Despite countless assurances that clubs will be self funded, scratch your head and ask "where is the money?" 6) Talk about geographic representation alot and pretend that 5 shops in NSW yet only 1 in Perth and none in TAS, NT or ACT is by design not greed. 7) mentions the MLS and their globally recognised and revered youth set-up and national squad. 8) the NSL didn't have it ........ dont forget, the NSL didn't have it........ 9) Australia is unique again, just for good measure 10) 90% of the clubs pushing for pro/rel where founded by non-anglo immigrants more than half a century ago and, despite Australia now being wonderfully multicultural, mention how uncomfortable it would make millenials feel seeing and hearing other nationalities out in public. 11) A salary cap isn't a restraint on competition but rather a way of making things more sporting?????? (sorry I don't honestly know how to spin this one for you 12) tell them that no one would watch the games or attend the stadiums of these dinosaur old clubs .... try and keep a straight face when they ask about Aleague crowds. 13) ask about the money again, making reference to "ethnic clubs" ..... ignore the hypocrisy of APL owners being foreigners 14) the NSL didn't have it. Have I left anything out? That's pretty comprehensive but will add. 15) No other country has 4 major football codes. That always gets a run. Probably worth mentioning Australia is unique another time for good measure. Hahahaha I forgot the "4 major football codes".... hahhah sorry Muz. Tart that up, bullet point it and then get a mod to sticky it in a thread titled 'Read this first' before commenting on why pro/rel won't work.' All bullshit aside I really dont get why ANYONE wouldn't want this.... OK, I get the APL wanting a return on their investment but the average Joe Blow who want the sport to grow in popularity and for our national teams and national comps to improve must see that it is the only way forward......? Are there that many here completely against it or just some who don't think it can work blah blah etc? I don't think there's many people left on the forum that are dead against p&r as a concept. Just stating for the record I stir you up about SM and their hypocrisy sometimes but I'm 100% all for P&R and as you say, it's hard to imagine why anyone WOULD be against it. Yeah all good Davide, its all for a laugh. I bite back because Im deluded old passionate Hellas fan sometimes but never take things too seriously :) Despite all the crap, "we" all want to join "you" and have a united football in this fricken country - I want your "clubs" to sell part of themselves back to you, the fans, open up professional pathways to ALL, make it so that every single football club is pulling towards the same goals and together we can all make this stupid pastime what it SHOULD be ..... Dreaming I know.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the end it just makes sense. Our current National Second Tier is compromised of 6 states and 2 territories. We have 129 Clubs, at last count, in our NST. That's over 2,500 players. Having 12-16 teams in a NSD, will see the best of the best playing at this level. The standard will obviously be better, it's just common sense. Every day its delayed, is a day lost to improving our football ecosystem. I agree, the 12-16 best suads below the A-leagues,if professional and full time, will deliver all the quality we need and then some. The issues are 'how' to fund it, not 'if' to do it. Once it's in place, the next economic hurdle is P/R - again a debate on 'how' not 'if'. Once the 'how' is funded, the 'if' will follow. Is there a checklist the Philistines arm you guys with before sending you out into the interwebby? Something like: ""Reasons why we can never have Pro/Rel in Australia...... (Plan #1000034)"" 1) Claim there are not enough players. 2) Australia is a very large country, pretend 4 hour flights from one end to a other are so far out of reach for all but billionaires. 3)AFL and NRL are yet to implement it so must wait to see what they do 4)Australia is unique. 5)Despite countless assurances that clubs will be self funded, scratch your head and ask "where is the money?" 6) Talk about geographic representation alot and pretend that 5 shops in NSW yet only 1 in Perth and none in TAS, NT or ACT is by design not greed. 7) mentions the MLS and their globally recognised and revered youth set-up and national squad. 8) the NSL didn't have it ........ dont forget, the NSL didn't have it........ 9) Australia is unique again, just for good measure 10) 90% of the clubs pushing for pro/rel where founded by non-anglo immigrants more than half a century ago and, despite Australia now being wonderfully multicultural, mention how uncomfortable it would make millenials feel seeing and hearing other nationalities out in public. 11) A salary cap isn't a restraint on competition but rather a way of making things more sporting?????? (sorry I don't honestly know how to spin this one for you 12) tell them that no one would watch the games or attend the stadiums of these dinosaur old clubs .... try and keep a straight face when they ask about Aleague crowds. 13) ask about the money again, making reference to "ethnic clubs" ..... ignore the hypocrisy of APL owners being foreigners 14) the NSL didn't have it. Have I left anything out? That's pretty comprehensive but will add. 15) No other country has 4 major football codes. That always gets a run. Probably worth mentioning Australia is unique another time for good measure. Hahahaha I forgot the "4 major football codes".... hahhah sorry Muz. Tart that up, bullet point it and then get a mod to sticky it in a thread titled 'Read this first' before commenting on why pro/rel won't work.' All bullshit aside I really dont get why ANYONE wouldn't want this.... OK, I get the APL wanting a return on their investment but the average Joe Blow who want the sport to grow in popularity and for our national teams and national comps to improve must see that it is the only way forward......? Are there that many here completely against it or just some who don't think it can work blah blah etc? I don't think there's many people left on the forum that are dead against p&r as a concept. Just stating for the record I stir you up about SM and their hypocrisy sometimes but I'm 100% all for P&R and as you say, it's hard to imagine why anyone WOULD be against it. TBH, the advocates of Australianising(or most accurately, boganising) the game for the supposed benefit of the 'mainstream' are deadset against it on the grounds it's the way back in for the 'effnik' clubs whose 'fault' it was for all the game's troubles here prior to the Crawford Report... Its #10 on the official checklist -:) 10) 90% of the clubs pushing for pro/rel where founded by non-anglo immigrants more than half a century ago and, despite Australia now being wonderfully multicultural, mention how uncomfortable it would make millenials feel seeing and hearing other nationalities out in public. Filthy effniks why cant they be more like the Indonesian owners of Brisbane Hollandia or the wonderful Sheikh benefactor of Melbourne City... Or the unknown foreign owners of Adelaide and WU?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the end it just makes sense. Our current National Second Tier is compromised of 6 states and 2 territories. We have 129 Clubs, at last count, in our NST. That's over 2,500 players. Having 12-16 teams in a NSD, will see the best of the best playing at this level. The standard will obviously be better, it's just common sense. Every day its delayed, is a day lost to improving our football ecosystem. I agree, the 12-16 best suads below the A-leagues,if professional and full time, will deliver all the quality we need and then some. The issues are 'how' to fund it, not 'if' to do it. Once it's in place, the next economic hurdle is P/R - again a debate on 'how' not 'if'. Once the 'how' is funded, the 'if' will follow. Is there a checklist the Philistines arm you guys with before sending you out into the interwebby? Something like: ""Reasons why we can never have Pro/Rel in Australia...... (Plan #1000034)"" 1) Claim there are not enough players. 2) Australia is a very large country, pretend 4 hour flights from one end to a other are so far out of reach for all but billionaires. 3)AFL and NRL are yet to implement it so must wait to see what they do 4)Australia is unique. 5)Despite countless assurances that clubs will be self funded, scratch your head and ask "where is the money?" 6) Talk about geographic representation alot and pretend that 5 shops in NSW yet only 1 in Perth and none in TAS, NT or ACT is by design not greed. 7) mentions the MLS and their globally recognised and revered youth set-up and national squad. 8) the NSL didn't have it ........ dont forget, the NSL didn't have it........ 9) Australia is unique again, just for good measure 10) 90% of the clubs pushing for pro/rel where founded by non-anglo immigrants more than half a century ago and, despite Australia now being wonderfully multicultural, mention how uncomfortable it would make millenials feel seeing and hearing other nationalities out in public. 11) A salary cap isn't a restraint on competition but rather a way of making things more sporting?????? (sorry I don't honestly know how to spin this one for you 12) tell them that no one would watch the games or attend the stadiums of these dinosaur old clubs .... try and keep a straight face when they ask about Aleague crowds. 13) ask about the money again, making reference to "ethnic clubs" ..... ignore the hypocrisy of APL owners being foreigners 14) the NSL didn't have it. Have I left anything out? That's pretty comprehensive but will add. 15) No other country has 4 major football codes. That always gets a run. Probably worth mentioning Australia is unique another time for good measure. Hahahaha I forgot the "4 major football codes".... hahhah sorry Muz. Tart that up, bullet point it and then get a mod to sticky it in a thread titled 'Read this first' before commenting on why pro/rel won't work.' All bullshit aside I really dont get why ANYONE wouldn't want this.... OK, I get the APL wanting a return on their investment but the average Joe Blow who want the sport to grow in popularity and for our national teams and national comps to improve must see that it is the only way forward......? Are there that many here completely against it or just some who don't think it can work blah blah etc? I don't think there's many people left on the forum that are dead against p&r as a concept. Just stating for the record I stir you up about SM and their hypocrisy sometimes but I'm 100% all for P&R and as you say, it's hard to imagine why anyone WOULD be against it. TBH, the advocates of Australianising(or most accurately, boganising) the game for the supposed benefit of the 'mainstream' are deadset against it on the grounds it's the way back in for the 'effnik' clubs whose 'fault' it was for all the game's troubles here prior to the Crawford Report... There might have been some people who thought like this in 2005 (including in the FFA), but I seriously doubt anyone is of this mind now in 2021. They're certainly not on this forum.
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+x+x+x+xThe league simply cannot go to 16 teams. There is no where near enough talent. Struggling to keep 12 teams afloat at the moment. 16 will be a revolving door of clubs going under. Go away. Out of the hundreds of thousands of players are you saying there's not 100 or so other players that could be brought up to the required standard required by playing and training full time? Give yourself an uppercut lad. Big Sas pulled out of the Vic NPL and then goes on to play for Australia is just one example of a bloke good enough if given the chance. There'd be literally hundreds of others. Canberra, South Melbourne, Wollongong, Marconi, Rockdale Illinden, Tasmania and Aukland are all getting orgasmic to come into the league. Take your Gallop and Townsend kind of Negative Shit and shift it back to Rugby where it belongs. Are you talking to me or Squidley? Sorry man, that was for Squidley...and gallop, o'rourke, townsend and friends.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the end it just makes sense. Our current National Second Tier is compromised of 6 states and 2 territories. We have 129 Clubs, at last count, in our NST. That's over 2,500 players. Having 12-16 teams in a NSD, will see the best of the best playing at this level. The standard will obviously be better, it's just common sense. Every day its delayed, is a day lost to improving our football ecosystem. I agree, the 12-16 best suads below the A-leagues,if professional and full time, will deliver all the quality we need and then some. The issues are 'how' to fund it, not 'if' to do it. Once it's in place, the next economic hurdle is P/R - again a debate on 'how' not 'if'. Once the 'how' is funded, the 'if' will follow. Is there a checklist the Philistines arm you guys with before sending you out into the interwebby? Something like: ""Reasons why we can never have Pro/Rel in Australia...... (Plan #1000034)"" 1) Claim there are not enough players. 2) Australia is a very large country, pretend 4 hour flights from one end to a other are so far out of reach for all but billionaires. 3)AFL and NRL are yet to implement it so must wait to see what they do 4)Australia is unique. 5)Despite countless assurances that clubs will be self funded, scratch your head and ask "where is the money?" 6) Talk about geographic representation alot and pretend that 5 shops in NSW yet only 1 in Perth and none in TAS, NT or ACT is by design not greed. 7) mentions the MLS and their globally recognised and revered youth set-up and national squad. 8) the NSL didn't have it ........ dont forget, the NSL didn't have it........ 9) Australia is unique again, just for good measure 10) 90% of the clubs pushing for pro/rel where founded by non-anglo immigrants more than half a century ago and, despite Australia now being wonderfully multicultural, mention how uncomfortable it would make millenials feel seeing and hearing other nationalities out in public. 11) A salary cap isn't a restraint on competition but rather a way of making things more sporting?????? (sorry I don't honestly know how to spin this one for you 12) tell them that no one would watch the games or attend the stadiums of these dinosaur old clubs .... try and keep a straight face when they ask about Aleague crowds. 13) ask about the money again, making reference to "ethnic clubs" ..... ignore the hypocrisy of APL owners being foreigners 14) the NSL didn't have it. Have I left anything out? That's pretty comprehensive but will add. 15) No other country has 4 major football codes. That always gets a run. Probably worth mentioning Australia is unique another time for good measure. Hahahaha I forgot the "4 major football codes".... hahhah sorry Muz. Tart that up, bullet point it and then get a mod to sticky it in a thread titled 'Read this first' before commenting on why pro/rel won't work.' All bullshit aside I really dont get why ANYONE wouldn't want this.... OK, I get the APL wanting a return on their investment but the average Joe Blow who want the sport to grow in popularity and for our national teams and national comps to improve must see that it is the only way forward......? Are there that many here completely against it or just some who don't think it can work blah blah etc? I don't think there's many people left on the forum that are dead against p&r as a concept. Just stating for the record I stir you up about SM and their hypocrisy sometimes but I'm 100% all for P&R and as you say, it's hard to imagine why anyone WOULD be against it. TBH, the advocates of Australianising(or most accurately, boganising) the game for the supposed benefit of the 'mainstream' are deadset against it on the grounds it's the way back in for the 'effnik' clubs whose 'fault' it was for all the game's troubles here prior to the Crawford Report... There might have been some people who thought like this in 2005 (including in the FFA), but I seriously doubt anyone is of this mind now in 2021. They're certainly not on this forum. Mate this thread is only 4 years old and you can take a stab at random at any of the 107 pages generated thus far and odds are you'll easily spot the " it will never work, the NSL clubs are still wogs, their crowds where shit. Something tinpot something".... I don't blame the poor sheep bleating "4 legs good,, 2 legs bad" over and over again to drown out anyone else's ideas, old Snowball certainly jammed the seven principals of franchises down their throats for the last 17 years to the point where kids born in the early 2000s are talking about the huge amount of ethnic violence caused at Green Gully vs Brisbane City in the bad old days..... Message has to come from the top and old "head stung by a thousand wasps" JJ will never rock the boat with the foreign investors who are preventing ANY encroachment into their ponzi scheme..... its all a farce dont you see?
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I actually think that eventually we will end up with a hybrid of what people want. that is a good thing as very few here agree on what they want. This is not a 1 year or 5 year target - it is longer than that - probably closer to 15 years in total
Promotion and relegation will come - it will be sooner between the Championship and the NPLs but eventually they will be a connected system. It won't be soon enough for many but a lot of the A-League owners have deep pockets and they will be able to escape that ignominy. Smaller clubs - when they is a proper second division - may also provide a safety net for struggling clubs to rebuild and aim for promotion again. FIFA want it , the AFC want it, it will become irresistible.
My ideal set-up above the NPLs is the A-League (around 16 teams), the Championship, (non-conference - around 16 teams - fully professional), The top two levels have to have both full structures, male and female. i.e. CCM will need a woman's team and Canberra a men's team.
Both divisions will have their own reserve competitions. i.e. A-league reserves do not play in Championship reserve.
These reserve competitions may be done in conferences but will run in the same season as their major team .
Under this two tiers eventually i think there will also be a conference based semi-pro league above the NPLs.
The APL owners will not be happy with opening up. The State Associations will not want to lose the better clubs from their NPLs.
We already have 12 professional clubs. The APL will sell licenses to 4 more - why wouldn't they. Some may be new 'franchises' - others may be clubs like Wollongong Wolves, SMFC or other clubs that are willing top pay a fee to get to the top level before it opens up. - but the licenses must have a sunset clause for remaining in the top division. The Championship since it will be newly formed can have pro/rel from the get down to the State NPLs initially.
I'm sure that they are plenty of clubs that can end up going from the NPL clubs to a fully professional club if they have access to a national competition again. 32 professional clubs by the end of the decade should be very doable. I would suspect you could start the Championship with at least 12 teams. If the Central coast can have a professional club with around a 340,000 population without a 'social club' supporting them then teams like Marconi and Sydney United and others in NSW as well as around the country should be able to without too much of s stretch. These are examples - I'm not going to nominate teams that could make the step up.- that is up to the clubs to decide.
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+xI actually think that eventually we will end up with a hybrid of what people want. that is a good thing as very few here agree on what they want. This is not a 1 year or 5 year target - it is longer than that - probably closer to 15 years in total Promotion and relegation will come - it will be sooner between the Championship and the NPLs but eventually they will be a connected system. It won't be soon enough for many but a lot of the A-League owners have deep pockets and they will be able to escape that ignominy. Smaller clubs - when they is a proper second division - may also provide a safety net for struggling clubs to rebuild and aim for promotion again. FIFA want it , the AFC want it, it will become irresistible. My ideal set-up above the NPLs is the A-League (around 16 teams), the Championship, (non-conference - around 16 teams - fully professional), The top two levels have to have both full structures, male and female. i.e. CCM will need a woman's team and Canberra a men's team. Both divisions will have their own reserve competitions. i.e. A-league reserves do not play in Championship reserve. These reserve competitions may be done in conferences but will run in the same season as their major team . Under this two tiers eventually i think there will also be a conference based semi-pro league above the NPLs. The APL owners will not be happy with opening up. The State Associations will not want to lose the better clubs from their NPLs. We already have 12 professional clubs. The APL will sell licenses to 4 more - why wouldn't they. Some may be new 'franchises' - others may be clubs like Wollongong Wolves, SMFC or other clubs that are willing top pay a fee to get to the top level before it opens up. - but the licenses must have a sunset clause for remaining in the top division. The Championship since it will be newly formed can have pro/rel from the get down to the State NPLs initially. I'm sure that they are plenty of clubs that can end up going from the NPL clubs to a fully professional club if they have access to a national competition again. 32 professional clubs by the end of the decade should be very doable. I would suspect you could start the Championship with at least 12 teams. If the Central coast can have a professional club with around a 340,000 population without a 'social club' supporting them then teams like Marconi and Sydney United and others in NSW as well as around the country should be able to without too much of s stretch. These are examples - I'm not going to nominate teams that could make the step up.- that is up to the clubs to decide. Not an unreasonable path forwqrds mate but again, I can't see it happening. The FA will not ratify the AAFC or the championship unless the APL approves it and it is just not in their interest to perceive a future where their investors can lose money to non franchise paying clubs......Their equity partners stand to loose too much money if the correct geographical,advertising broadcast markets aren't represented.
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Round #3 of the never ending battle between good and evil.... These 30 proud Australian clubs have once again dipped their hands in to finance ANOTHER Report.... Oh, and the latest juicy rumour going around is that SBS has agreed, in principle, to broadcast two games of NSD per week on FTA..... Hahahaha this would be amazing and more than Aleague. AHHAHAHAHAH you cant write this stuff sometimes. https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1495955031417561089/photo/1
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12 teams growing to 16 through P&R
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Broadcast Nationally through a National Broadcaster and widely streamed
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$121k travel - 12 team comp - 184 games
$164k travel - 16 team comp - 310 games
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Thanks for posting this. Reading through it now. The FFA proposed model is fucked. Let's hope they get their preferred model up. Appears to be well thought through.
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Bring it on!!
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Lovely work by the team at AAFC....Get rid of that garbage pyramid graph with a link to Aleague though, the Americans will never allow it...
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Bring it on we probably need this as a point of difference which the sport might need anyway, the traditional home and away is the right model too.
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A NSD will enviograte the footbal code in this country, plus the FA can adopt the APL model of adds during the new concept of drinks breaks when it is 23 degrees, think of all the new revenue streams! Europe may well adopt this innovation because it doesn't have to be very hot in order to have the drinks breaks. Infact, stuff the players, this isn't about their hydration, it's about sporting adds in any given opportunity. Now students remember what Steven Lowy said about being careful about something....
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+x$121k travel - 12 team comp - 184 games $164k travel - 16 team comp - 310 games That figure seems to include a bunch of pre-season games, since a 12-team, 22-round seasons would be 144 games (plus finals), and a 16-team, 30-round season would be 240 games (plus finals). So the travel costs of the league itself would be lower, and realistically teams could just play local pre-season matches. Would also obviously vary depending on which teams make it in, e.g. do you include teams from Perth despite the massive extra costs involved.
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The proposed Champions League format put forward by Football Australia is a joke. This is essentially a cup competition and is not fit for purpose.
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+x+x$121k travel - 12 team comp - 184 games $164k travel - 16 team comp - 310 games That figure seems to include a bunch of pre-season games, since a 12-team, 22-round seasons would be 144 games (plus finals), and a 16-team, 30-round season would be 240 games (plus finals). So the travel costs of the league itself would be lower, and realistically teams could just play local pre-season matches. Would also obviously vary depending on which teams make it in, e.g. do you include teams from Perth despite the massive extra costs involved. If the report is to be believed, it continuously says the intention of the NSD is to encompass the whole geography of Australia. Also it doesn't matter whether or not model A, B or C is adopted - all potentially involve teams from all states. Projected travel costs would have taken this into account and this is what has been presented. Taking Perth out of the picture demeans the concept from the start - the attractiveness of this report is that it allows ANY state league club in the country to dream of one day being on the national scene. Of course if applications from WA teams for the initial season are rejected we can see the real picture here ...
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+xThe proposed Champions League format put forward by Football Australia is a joke. This is essentially a cup competition and is not fit for purpose. If accepted the gap between NPL and A League, which the report does well to describe, will never be bridged.
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+xThe proposed Champions League format put forward by Football Australia is a joke. This is essentially a cup competition and is not fit for purpose. Added to which, if the proposed format included in the AAFC report were to actually adopted, it would put a huge number of NPL matches in midweek (since they would be moved to accommodate "Champions League" matches on the weekend), which would be a considerable sacrifice, especially for part-time players who have to work during the week. Absolutely dumb. It won't be adopted though, since the clubs are pretty uniformly against it. they've made their views clear so FA would be beating a dead horse if they actually tried to implement it.
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+x+x$121k travel - 12 team comp - 184 games $164k travel - 16 team comp - 310 games That figure seems to include a bunch of pre-season games, since a 12-team, 22-round seasons would be 144 games (plus finals), and a 16-team, 30-round season would be 240 games (plus finals). So the travel costs of the league itself would be lower, and realistically teams could just play local pre-season matches. Would also obviously vary depending on which teams make it in, e.g. do you include teams from Perth despite the massive extra costs involved. It seems to be assuming team participation based on National population spread page 24 This would just be the starting 12, as from then on, P&R will dictate the make up.
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+x+xThe proposed Champions League format put forward by Football Australia is a joke. This is essentially a cup competition and is not fit for purpose. If accepted the gap between NPL and A League, which the report does well to describe, will never be bridged. WSW and Brisbane have already bridged it
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+x+x$121k travel - 12 team comp - 184 games $164k travel - 16 team comp - 310 games That figure seems to include a bunch of pre-season games, since a 12-team, 22-round seasons would be 144 games (plus finals), and a 16-team, 30-round season would be 240 games (plus finals). So the travel costs of the league itself would be lower, and realistically teams could just play local pre-season matches. Would also obviously vary depending on which teams make it in, e.g. do you include teams from Perth despite the massive extra costs involved. It seems to be assuming team participation based on National population spread page 24 This would just be the starting 12, as from then on, P&R will dictate the make up. This, very much this...... link to NPLs from the get go...... If 12-16 club home and away season plus finals implemented will do wonders for the aspiration nature of football clubs in our country. For example NPL Vic clubs are already putting their hands up to host WWC23 squads as training venues... Facilities WILL be improved and government grants WILL be obtained if there is a valid case for it.... https://twitter.com/footballvic/status/1496255707917828103?cxt=HHwWjoC-ufGo4sMpAAAAWish the Victorian Aleague clubs could offer up the same facilites but ..... meh they have other priorities I guess?
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RoyalDave
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+x+x+x+x$121k travel - 12 team comp - 184 games $164k travel - 16 team comp - 310 games That figure seems to include a bunch of pre-season games, since a 12-team, 22-round seasons would be 144 games (plus finals), and a 16-team, 30-round season would be 240 games (plus finals). So the travel costs of the league itself would be lower, and realistically teams could just play local pre-season matches. Would also obviously vary depending on which teams make it in, e.g. do you include teams from Perth despite the massive extra costs involved. It seems to be assuming team participation based on National population spread page 24 This would just be the starting 12, as from then on, P&R will dictate the make up. This, very much this...... link to NPLs from the get go...... If 12-16 club home and away season plus finals implemented will do wonders for the aspiration nature of football clubs in our country. For example NPL Vic clubs are already putting their hands up to host WWC23 squads as training venues... Facilities WILL be improved and government grants WILL be obtained if there is a valid case for it.... https://twitter.com/footballvic/status/1496255707917828103?cxt=HHwWjoC-ufGo4sMpAAAAWish the Victorian Aleague clubs could offer up the same facilites but ..... meh they have other priorities I guess? +x+x+x$121k travel - 12 team comp - 184 games $164k travel - 16 team comp - 310 games That figure seems to include a bunch of pre-season games, since a 12-team, 22-round seasons would be 144 games (plus finals), and a 16-team, 30-round season would be 240 games (plus finals). So the travel costs of the league itself would be lower, and realistically teams could just play local pre-season matches. Would also obviously vary depending on which teams make it in, e.g. do you include teams from Perth despite the massive extra costs involved. It seems to be assuming team participation based on National population spread page 24 This would just be the starting 12, as from then on, P&R will dictate the make up. I may have missed it, but was there any discussion on how future promotion into the NSD would work? Would they do it geographically, ie a WA team drops out so they promote the NPLWA champions? Or a play-off system between all NPL champions who desire/meet criteria to be promoted? Actually this could replace the current 'champions cup' thing we have at the end of the season so don't see an issue there.
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