I wouldn't be surprised if the NSD were to start without a team in Perth.

Despite everything that the AAFC say it wouldn't shock me either - if a compromise needs to be made to start this thing up then culling NT and WA from the process will be first cab off the rank.

Already/still there are so many here working hard to solve problems that don't exist.  Travel isn't an issue.  It's all in the proposal.

not many near monash university though?

My point was that football in NSW did not start with the football coup de tat in 1956/7 and its history and culture goes back to the early 1880s.  Football was strong, was spread right across the community and had a long history with notable teams like Balgownie in Wollongong, Minmi in Newcastle and Granville in Sydney just to name a few, and was growing well.  Elite football was a natural extension of grassroots football before it was railroaded into a migrant club controlled entity where for many years non migrants were not welcome either as players or spectators at quite a number of clubs.  The coup de tat had both good and bad outcomes.  Good in that the standard of football was continually raised and bad in that it set in place the divide between the mass of football players and their clubs, and elite football across the state, but especially in Sydney, that still exists today even though management of the elite competitions has changed.

As a matter of principal I see no club having preference over another based on what they have done in the past or where they exist now.  The NSD is a brand new entity operating in a space that has never been filled before just as was the case with the "NSL" in 1977 so what matters is what a club offers in the NSD now and into the future.

As far as Balgownie, which is the only one of the three clubs I mentioned that still exists, is concerned if they found the money, a suitable ground, training infrastructure, could develop a suitable administration etc. etc., I see no reason why they couldn't put their hand up for inclusion in the NSD.  Similarly any club or new entity across Australia has the right to do that and to be considered fairly in a transparent and appealable process.

I hope this is the case lol all of our teams here would be a burden.

Our best talents should definitely use the NSD as a platform & hope we build stronger partnerships with clubs over east until we are ready to promote a side through the NPL. 

Don't know how the Norzone is going to get treated though...

IF there is a desire to get the NSD up and running with any kind of momentum, FA must put out an invite to the most popular and polarising clubs. That's the template, add the others after that.
Trying to sanitise 'sokkah' in Australia, or dewogification of the code, has had a fair run, and has failed.
C'mon, a wog is flying the flag for Australia in Scotland ffs. Need the ethnic clubs in the 'unification' process.
Get on with it Johnson, Townsend and co, wake up! 

Blah Blah Blah

Whoever you are, Win the NPL

Gold Coast Knights

Etc etc

Time to convert nostalgia into results on the park

TLDR

Time for ALLclubs to be given a LEVEL playing field

Then put up or shut up.

Pick your target and have a go.

The only nostalgia I have is of NCIP. What a joke that was. 

Now it's gone,

Points and Goal Difference are the only currency that should count

Football has a long history of poor management and rebellions in Australia that has held it back.  In my life time the 1956/7 rebellion in NSW that swept right throughout Australia over the next 3 or 4 years was the wrong way to make changes that were necessary.  Setting up the NSL was a right step done the wrong way in that it reinforced the ills and biases of the past.  Setting up the A-League was yet another right step in that the NSL was past its use by date but again the way that ethnic clubs were bypassed with no apparent way to ever get back in was the wrong thing to do.  It is my view that we should take the opportunity to do it right for a change and that is why I am suggesting a fair, open and transparent process.  I think that could have a cathartic effect on the whole of football by demonstrating that management and the clubs can work together to get the right solution in place done the right way and that would set the precedent for the way everything is done in the future.  No preferences, no side deals, no brown paper envelopes, everything above board.

As far as I read it the process I am supporting would see most of the big ex NSL clubs get into the NSD if they want to.  I can't imagine for example too many clubs being able to better what Marconi could put forward.  A commercial club with their own ground on the property, extra pitches there to, arguably having been able to operate a sustainable football club in both the NSL and NPL and the funds to operate an NSD club both on and off the pitch.  The only negative for them might be their drawing capacity which dropped off in the later days of the NSL.  If you go through the big clubs they mostly have these sorts of advantages that should put them high on the list for inclusion in the NSD.

Fingers crossed that history of mistakes and division can be overcome 

the idea of having all the resources in the a league and nsl firing in producing football talent is exciting

I would think that the chance to put in place a proper pyramid would include a third division. Whether that's 16 teams in each division doing a home and away season, or starting with a smaller number in the lower division is neither here nor there. If the package was presented to a marketing organization I'm sure the dollars would be there. 

Yeah p and r didnt work for the nsl because of the massive drop between a professional 1st div and the massive amateur lower leagues. If you had a yhird division as a buffer between a professional second and first divisions and the npl that would probably be more sustainable

What I forgot to say also is that the chance of getting into the NSD is driving the enthusiasm of a while bunch of teams. Obviously, a number will miss out, and the interest from those will dissipate. We should be as inclusive as possible, and embrace the opportunity this presents.

The fear of failure is what is driving the A League to the mediocrity we saw on the pitch before COVID. The wake up call over the last two years should get the APL on the band wagon of the multi tiered football pyramid.

Surely the ffa can find 5-6 million a year from somewhere to run a second and third division? Its less money than is spent on a single a league club. Even if they cant, there are enough teams in the aafc to fill two divisions

If you have automatic pro-rel from NPL to NSD from the get-go, then the teams that miss out will surely be motivated to win promotion in future. This is the big benefit of a pyramid, it gives clubs the chance to dream big, invest in the future, even apply for funding from government sources.

The sad part of all this,  CBS and Paramount execs, not knowing the richness of history and character of these clubs, our football not been explained to any of them, except from the biased view of business types that these foreign people only ever deal with being FA/APL and associates with they're own spin and self interest.
Channel10 execs don't have a clue, except for the presenters to present well on TV.
The investors are ultimately only ever going to get football to 50-60%, not to it's fullest potential, as the Loweys did not either.
No one knows where the ceiling is for football in Australia, its never been run at its true potential. Standards can be alot higher than will ever be seen, unless they invest more time and gather more knowledge, information about the history of the past and how they can integrate it into today's football structure.
Currently, there is a healthy % of football fans that do not have an affiliation with football in Australia. All avenues must be explored.
There is an even more desired level of content, to go with the current content with even better narratives which could be playing out weekly on
Paramount and Channel10 to show to alot more consumers.

Does every single State & Territory have to be represented from the get-go? I(and logic) think not, so long as they do get given berths further down the line; 'tis a non-issue.

What is your problem. If you couldn't do the man the courtesy of reading his response then why put a snide TLDR. Just scroll on without the shit commentary.

Clown.

yeah that was pretty rude. If he regards other posts as tldr then no point engaging

Agreed Gyfox, those Clubs from where ever they are and not initially in the NSD, in future will have the opportunity to build their Club, invest in their Club knowing as they develop and meet the Club Licensing Criteria they have the opportunity to advance up the pyramid.
It will be up to the Club and their members ambitions.

Hey Arthur

what are the four models being considered?

It's possible to have an educated guess from everything which has been publicly disclosed over the last 3 years or so:
- standard comp of x clubs from the NPL
 - champions league format played out against the top NPL clubs in any given season
 - standard comp of x clubs from the NPL, but with addition of some A-League reserve grade teams
 - conference style second division, basically split into 3 conferences

1 and 3 ok 2 and 4 is terrible idea

I want to see the A League at 16 teams
I want to see the standard comp of 16 clubs for a second division.
.. but maybe a conference system (8*2 or larger and including some A-League reserve grade teams) under that  may be worth while setting up at the same time  

A Champions League Format.
10 team National Comp
12 team National Comp
14 team National Comp
Conferenced Comp with variations

Hopefully the first option dies except maybe as a bridge to the 2nd div

Any details on the conference comp? If 24 teams are playing that sounds a bad idea