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+x+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? Yes. Except Aus desperately wanted to have possession of the ball. Australia is a team who loves to be in possession.The defensive set up was to minimise the chance of conceding goals early in the game. It worked - just. I think Aus used a 4-4-2 flat midfield in both Ball Possession Opposition ( as usual) and in Ball Possession. I'll have a look at a replay later. Usually in Ball Possession we play 4-2-3-1 in the back third, 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle in the midfield third, then the 4-2-4 in the attacking third. We had 28% possession Danes had 60% with remainder in dispute. Does that fit with that objective? Another Italian who somehow thinks he is above the perfect 1-0 tournament win. What happened to all you old boys? We should be passing France and Denmark off the park
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Davide82
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+x+x+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? For many socceroo fans its too early to have that conversation. Right now its about the result. It will come though. jesus christ Mate you're reckon its not ok to ever ask that question given our development programs focus? It's your arrogance and placing yourself above the rabble
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+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? Absolutely. But that is only part of the story. This group (and manager), when you take into account qualifying and at the World Cup finals, the ability to change their style depending on the opponent.
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+xI saw a zoomed out version of the penalty and Dollberg has just flopped. The ref blew the whistle way too quickly. I still can't see how the France goal was offside. They've lodged a protest apparently. Yes, I definitely think he flopped. But lets say he wasn't offside, do we think VAR overturns it? Would have definitely been another Grosso moment I think.. The referee definitely called the penalty straight away, but seems like the AR was in his ear straight away. As for the France 'goal' ... I have let goals stand for exactly that happening, as far as I can see, the defender heading the ball is a deliberate play that isn't a save, so it shouldn't matter that Griezmann was in an offside position.
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+xI was re-watching McGree's scorpion kick from April 2018. and to think of the journey for him four and a half years later he's starring in the World Cup. https://youtu.be/d5zNCVDqRu4 Still reckon he's bound for great things. Doesn't always come together, but he's got the components. Only scores worldies too. One of the worst things on Twitter is the myopic Celtic bitters who can't let it go that he chose Boro instead.
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Now watching it with the English comma on bein 😂😎
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMaerJ2nc3o&t=2179sTactical analysis on how Australia kept Denmark goalless
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My first post after the game.
Absolutely brilliant by Australia.
Arrived home from work to find the FTA station wasn't showing the match on their main station so had to frantically look for a live stream. Lost first 15 minutes of the game and 29 US Dollars. Well worth it.
You don't get 2 great results in a row like that without credit going to the coaching. I'm eating humble pie regarding Arnold now. Evidence of the potential was there with the Peru do or die game. He's proven most of us wrong.
These games should also tell us that A-League quality players can match it.
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+x+xI saw a zoomed out version of the penalty and Dollberg has just flopped. The ref blew the whistle way too quickly. I still can't see how the France goal was offside. They've lodged a protest apparently. Yes, I definitely think he flopped. But lets say he wasn't offside, do we think VAR overturns it? Would have definitely been another Grosso moment I think.. The referee definitely called the penalty straight away, but seems like the AR was in his ear straight away. As for the France 'goal' ... I have let goals stand for exactly that happening, as far as I can see, the defender heading the ball is a deliberate play that isn't a save, so it shouldn't matter that Griezmann was in an offside position. Unfortunately this ref would've checked VAR and been and absolute wanker. I've got to look again but I don't think he even saw the scene correctly. It was worse than the Syria flop at the Asian Cup. There's a lot of discussion on how the refs haven't observed the laws with Griezmann there. He initiated nothing to affect the Tunisian defender. It's too bloody dramatic to think what might've been had our game been goalless. Dodged an absolutely shattering end with all that yesterday.
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+x+x+xI saw a zoomed out version of the penalty and Dollberg has just flopped. The ref blew the whistle way too quickly. I still can't see how the France goal was offside. They've lodged a protest apparently. Yes, I definitely think he flopped. But lets say he wasn't offside, do we think VAR overturns it? Would have definitely been another Grosso moment I think.. The referee definitely called the penalty straight away, but seems like the AR was in his ear straight away. As for the France 'goal' ... I have let goals stand for exactly that happening, as far as I can see, the defender heading the ball is a deliberate play that isn't a save, so it shouldn't matter that Griezmann was in an offside position. Unfortunately this ref would've checked VAR and been and absolute wanker. I've got to look again but I don't think he even saw the scene correctly. It was worse than the Syria flop at the Asian Cup. There's a lot of discussion on how the refs haven't observed the laws with Griezmann there. He initiated nothing to affect the Tunisian defender. It's too bloody dramatic to think what might've been had our game been goalless. Dodged an absolutely shattering end with all that yesterday. Yes, lucky there was no dodgy business with trying to override the offside or something once he saw the flag. Yes, I agree, apparently the conversation of why it was denied is what's considered a 'deliberate play at the ball'. Good write up on that is here: https://www.espn.com.au/football/fifa-world-cup/story/4820758/why-var-disallowed-griezmanns-goal-for-france-for-offsideBasically, because the defender didn't perform a 'controlled header', it seems they're considering it as a deflection, and not a 'deliberate play at the ball.' Which, is weird in itself, because in that situation, we're taught to look at "player to ball" and "ball to player"
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Congratulations to the players, staff, fans & the true believers of Australian football. This one is for you, for all of us. :)
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+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? For many socceroo fans its too early to have that conversation. Right now its about the result. It will come though. Nope. The game is about results. Supporters only worry about style and entertainment when their team is not winning. I’ll take that 1-0 win over Tunisia over a 3-2 loss to the Netherlands Every.Single.Time.
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+xCongratulations to the players, staff, fans & the true believers of Australian football. This one is for you, for all of us. :) Hear, hear.
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Davide82
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+x+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? For many socceroo fans its too early to have that conversation. Right now its about the result. It will come though. Nope. The game is about results. Supporters only worry about style and entertainment when their team is not winning. I’ll take that 1-0 win over Tunisia over a 3-2 loss to the Netherlands Every.Single.Time. Have always said this. I leave Hindmarsh happy when we win. I don’t care if it’s a deflected goal on our one foray forward. I leave laughing. If we have 85% possession, 1,200 passes at a 90% completion rate and lose 4-3 I’m miserable all night.
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Looks like Dollberg just ran into the back of Souttar and flopped. It's so terrible how quickly the ref blew that penalty. He won't be officiating at the WC again I think.
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+x+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? For many socceroo fans its too early to have that conversation. Right now its about the result. It will come though. Nope. The game is about results. Supporters only worry about style and entertainment when their team is not winning. I’ll take that 1-0 win over Tunisia over a 3-2 loss to the Netherlands Every.Single.Time. Interesting.
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+xMy first post after the game. Absolutely brilliant by Australia. Arrived home from work to find the FTA station wasn't showing the match on their main station so had to frantically look for a live stream. Lost first 15 minutes of the game and 29 US Dollars. Well worth it. You don't get 2 great results in a row like that without credit going to the coaching. I'm eating humble pie regarding Arnold now. Evidence of the potential was there with the Peru do or die game. He's proven most of us wrong. These games should also tell us that A-League quality players can match it. It is no coincidence that Australia is able to play pragmatic football that wins games. In the early part of the Lowy FFA tenure, there was some money. We recruited world renowned KNVB trained Dutch Coaches, Rob Baan, recommended by Guus, and then Han Berger, as Tech Directors for Aus football. The mild mannered Baan didn't have the stomach to take on all the naysayers, recalcitrants and doubters in Aus football who did not want to change coaching practices. Thankfully, Berger, a much more forceful character, totally dismissed the recalcitrants and steamrolled them. It was his way or the highway. His biggest mistake was appointing Holger, as one of a panel of five to make the decision. I'm one of those coaches who trained in the old Soccer Australia coach education and then later undertook the original Dutch KNVB methodology used in Aus in 2007, 2008 and 2009, which with Berger's recommendation became an amalgam of Dutch, Spanish, German and French methodology. I learnt a lot about defence and organisation from the Dutch ( which is what Arnie bases his teams on) and later the Football Fed Aus, now Football Aus, National Curriculum ( which is more of Ange's coaching practice). It has also been a system based on the Van Gaal School of Dutch KNVB practice ( team being paramount) as opposed to the Cruyff School of Dutch KNVB practice, which relies on technical superiority over opponents ( Barca Academy). From all the courses I had attended prior, I learnt more in 2 hours of the KNVB Youth Coaching Course than the days and days of the old practices. Then A L coaches were forced to adopt all the new methodology to gain an advantage over other A L coaches, or lose games. Frank Farina was a recalcitrant, and John Kosmina was too, but not to the same extent as FF. So we can thank Guus, for recommending Baan, then FFA recruiting Berger, who rewrote , with help, our coaching methodology in Australia, for progressing into the last 16 in Qatar. Now Football Aus has a former teacher, Trevor Morgan as National Tech Dir, and Ron Smith is his assistant. Ron is a worry. He was the former Soccer Aus TD prior to 2006. He saw no need to update the Aus football curriculum and establish a contemporary uniform, holistic system in Aus during this tenure as National Tech Dir. I'm not sure what Ernie Merrick's current role entails with Football Aus? He was also one of the old guard coaches before Berger's coach education metamorphosis. We need some more foreign powerhouse coaching consultancy in Aus, to oversee constant updates, or one of our current successful coaches trained in contemporary football methodology ( the Vidmars, Ange, Arnie, John Aloisi, Muscat, Popa, Stajic, Kisnorbo, Ante Milicic, Ante Jukic, Mike Edwards, et al), to have a national coaching role, although Morgan could be doing a decent job. The new coaching methodology pathway has improved us immeasurably - tactically. That is how we have been able to match it with technically superior teams. It takes a long time to improve technique. It needs to be done at an early age. A much more tactically astute Socceroo team has progressed to the knockout stages of the Qatar WC - thanks to Han Berger.
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+x+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? Yes. Except Aus desperately wanted to have possession of the ball. Australia is a team who loves to be in possession.The defensive set up was to minimise the chance of conceding goals early in the game. It worked - just. I think Aus used a 4-4-2 flat midfield in both Ball Possession Opposition ( as usual) and in Ball Possession. I'll have a look at a replay later. Usually in Ball Possession we play 4-2-3-1 in the back third, 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle in the midfield third, then the 4-2-4 in the attacking third. We had 28% possession Danes had 60% with remainder in dispute. Does that fit with that objective? It does not fit with the objective of the National Curriculum coaching objective to control the game, by dominating possession and territory, but we played against superior teams (France and Denmark) at playing this type football. They are better than us at it. They've been doing it for a lot longer. We strive to emulate them. We had to focus on an organised, cohesive defence as the foundation against them.
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+xI saw a zoomed out version of the penalty and Dollberg has just flopped. The ref blew the whistle way too quickly. I still can't see how the France goal was offside. They've lodged a protest apparently. The other issue apparently with the France disallowed goal, is that Tunisia actually kicked off after the goal before the VAR alerted the ref that there was a problem with the goal. Then just after the Tunisians kicked off, the referee blew for full time, after which VAR got him to look at the goal.
The point here is that once the game has restarted again (via the kickoff), VAR cannot intervene in any previous play, so the decision from prior to restart, in this case goal to France, must be allowed to stand.
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Decentric 2
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+x+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? For many socceroo fans its too early to have that conversation. Right now its about the result. It will come though. Nope. The game is about results. Supporters only worry about style and entertainment when their team is not winning. I’ll take that 1-0 win over Tunisia over a 3-2 loss to the Netherlands Every.Single.Time. Ange does not work as hard on defensive structure as a coach as Arnie. Looking at their World Cups, Arnie has had more success results wise, although Ange had a really tough group in Brazil. The two gallant defeats, where we played some good football against Chile and the Netherlands in Brazil, were not as good as the victories over Tunisia and Denmark in Qatar, based on a solid defensive structure and a game plan focused on Ball Possession Opposition and the Defensive Transitions.
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+x+x+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? Yes. Except Aus desperately wanted to have possession of the ball. Australia is a team who loves to be in possession.The defensive set up was to minimise the chance of conceding goals early in the game. It worked - just. I think Aus used a 4-4-2 flat midfield in both Ball Possession Opposition ( as usual) and in Ball Possession. I'll have a look at a replay later. Usually in Ball Possession we play 4-2-3-1 in the back third, 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle in the midfield third, then the 4-2-4 in the attacking third. We had 28% possession Danes had 60% with remainder in dispute. Does that fit with that objective? It does not fit with the objective of the National Curriculum coaching objective to control the game, by dominating possession and territory, but we played against superior teams (France and Denmark) at playing this type football better than us. They've been doing it for a lot longer. We had to focus on an organised, cohesive defence as the foundation against them. So...pragmatism then? Verbeek was pilloried for it, yet he qualified undefeated ( apart from a meaningless game against China), second in the world to do so, and got 4 points at the WC. Osieck took us to the Asian Cup Final (and lost 0-1 in extra time to Japan), and qualified directly for the WC with a win % of 60% in competitive fixtures. Yet his football style was also heavily criticized.
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+x+xI saw a zoomed out version of the penalty and Dollberg has just flopped. The ref blew the whistle way too quickly. I still can't see how the France goal was offside. They've lodged a protest apparently. The other issue apparently with the France disallowed goal, is that Tunisia actually kicked off after the goal before the VAR alerted the ref that there was a problem with the goal. Then just after the Tunisians kicked off, the referee blew for full time, after which VAR got him to look at the goal.
The point here is that once the game has restarted again (via the kickoff), VAR cannot intervene in any previous play, so the decision from prior to restart, in this case goal to France, must be allowed to stand. With VAR is seems to be oriented to disallowing goals, more than playing an advantage to the attacking team. I thought teams could have two reviews - so they can review dodgy lines-person decisions that incorrectly call offside, when goals scored are legal.
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+x+x+xI saw a zoomed out version of the penalty and Dollberg has just flopped. The ref blew the whistle way too quickly. I still can't see how the France goal was offside. They've lodged a protest apparently. The other issue apparently with the France disallowed goal, is that Tunisia actually kicked off after the goal before the VAR alerted the ref that there was a problem with the goal. Then just after the Tunisians kicked off, the referee blew for full time, after which VAR got him to look at the goal.
The point here is that once the game has restarted again (via the kickoff), VAR cannot intervene in any previous play, so the decision from prior to restart, in this case goal to France, must be allowed to stand. With VAR is seems to be oriented to disallowing goals, more than playing an advantage to the attacking team. I thought teams could have two reviews - so they can review dodgy lines-person decisions that incorrectly call offside, when goals scored are legal. The teams don’t, and never have had, the right to call for reviews of decisions by VAR. Ths only party with the ability to decide to review decisions is VAR.
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+x+x+x+x+xNot many have openly talked about this, but in agreeing that the coaching staff got it absolutely spot on in respect of the Denmark game, surely that's a vote of confidence in what was essentially a counter-attacking game plan. Are socceroo fans happy to accept such a description? Yes. Except Aus desperately wanted to have possession of the ball. Australia is a team who loves to be in possession.The defensive set up was to minimise the chance of conceding goals early in the game. It worked - just. I think Aus used a 4-4-2 flat midfield in both Ball Possession Opposition ( as usual) and in Ball Possession. I'll have a look at a replay later. Usually in Ball Possession we play 4-2-3-1 in the back third, 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle in the midfield third, then the 4-2-4 in the attacking third. We had 28% possession Danes had 60% with remainder in dispute. Does that fit with that objective? It does not fit with the objective of the National Curriculum coaching objective to control the game, by dominating possession and territory, but we played against superior teams (France and Denmark) at playing this type football better than us. They've been doing it for a lot longer. We had to focus on an organised, cohesive defence as the foundation against them. So...pragmatism then? Verbeek was pilloried for it, yet he qualified undefeated ( apart from a meaningless game against China), second in the world to do so, and got 4 points at the WC. Osieck took us to the Asian Cup Final (and lost 0-1 in extra time to Japan), and qualified directly for the WC with a win % of 60% in competitive fixtures. Yet his football style was also heavily criticized. Osieck digressed from a mandated national style. His appointment was predicated on the belief that most of the national team players in that era were so unfamiliar with the new curriculum, that it did not matter as much that the coach wasn't a product of the Spanish/French/Dutch/ revamped German style that we aspired to play.Holger was a product of old school German football - not revamped German - Klinsmann, Loew, Klopp. Pim was very much the style of coach Australia wanted to develop. Triangles and diamonds were inherent in his formations 4-3-3 and its variations and derivatives. Pim had preference for the 4-4-2 midfield diamond for when he wanted to attack in his game plans. Once he used a 4-3-2-1 as a more defensive measure against Japan. I've watched the Socceroos train under Pim. I was a big fan of him as coach. It was our most decisive WCQing campaign. We were one of the first three teams to qualify for South Africa, with the Netherlands, Japan and us - all qualifying on the same night. Holger didn't use these systems much, really only using a 4-2-3-1 on occasions amongst his other formations that didn't fit with the direction Aus coaches were being trained in.
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+x+x+x+xI saw a zoomed out version of the penalty and Dollberg has just flopped. The ref blew the whistle way too quickly. I still can't see how the France goal was offside. They've lodged a protest apparently. The other issue apparently with the France disallowed goal, is that Tunisia actually kicked off after the goal before the VAR alerted the ref that there was a problem with the goal. Then just after the Tunisians kicked off, the referee blew for full time, after which VAR got him to look at the goal.
The point here is that once the game has restarted again (via the kickoff), VAR cannot intervene in any previous play, so the decision from prior to restart, in this case goal to France, must be allowed to stand. With VAR is seems to be oriented to disallowing goals, more than playing an advantage to the attacking team. I thought teams could have two reviews - so they can review dodgy lines-person decisions that incorrectly call offside, when goals scored are legal. The teams don’t, and never have had, the right to call for reviews of decisions by VAR. Ths only party with the ability to decide to review decisions is VAR. I'd heard it mooted like teams do in cricket. As you probably know from refereeing, and being a lines-person, so many mistakes are made - usually to favour the defensive team on those hard to adjudicate decisions.
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+x+xMy first post after the game. Absolutely brilliant by Australia. Arrived home from work to find the FTA station wasn't showing the match on their main station so had to frantically look for a live stream. Lost first 15 minutes of the game and 29 US Dollars. Well worth it. You don't get 2 great results in a row like that without credit going to the coaching. I'm eating humble pie regarding Arnold now. Evidence of the potential was there with the Peru do or die game. He's proven most of us wrong. These games should also tell us that A-League quality players can match it. It is no coincidence that Australia is able to play pragmatic football that wins games. In the early part of the Lowy FFA tenure, there was some money. We recruited world renowned KNVB trained Dutch Coaches, Rob Baan, recommended by Guus, and then Han Berger, as Tech Directors for Aus football. The mild mannered Baan didn't have the stomach to take on all the naysayers, recalcitrants and doubters in Aus football who did not want to change coaching practices. Thankfully, Berger, a much more forceful character, totally dismissed the recalcitrants and steamrolled them. It was his way or the highway. His biggest mistake was appointing Holger, as one of a panel of five to make the decision. I'm one of those coaches who trained in the old Soccer Australia coach education and then later undertook the original Dutch KNVB methodology used in Aus in 2007, 2008 and 2009, which with Berger's recommendation became an amalgam of Dutch, Spanish, German and French methodology. I learnt a lot about defence and organisation from the Dutch ( which is what Arnie bases his teams on) and later the Football Fed Aus, now Football Aus, National Curriculum ( which is more of Ange's coaching practice). It has also been a system based on the Van Gaal School of Dutch KNVB practice ( team being paramount) as opposed to the Cruyff School of Dutch KNVB practice, which relies on technical superiority over opponents ( Barca Academy). From all the courses I had attended prior, I learnt more in 2 hours of the KNVB Youth Coaching Course than the days and days of the old practices. Then A L coaches were forced to adopt all the new methodology to gain an advantage over other A L coaches, or lose games. Frank Farina was a recalcitrant, and John Kosmina was too, but not to the same extent as FF. So we can thank Guus, for recommending Baan, then FFA recruiting Berger, who rewrote , with help, our coaching methodology in Australia, for progressing into the last 16 in Qatar. Now Football Aus has a former teacher, Trevor Morgan as National Tech Dir, and Ron Smith is his assistant. Ron is a worry. He was the former Soccer Aus TD prior to 2006. He saw no need to update the Aus football curriculum and establish a contemporary uniform, holistic system in Aus during this tenure as National Tech Dir. I'm not sure what Ernie Merrick's current role entails with Football Aus? He was also one of the old guard coaches before Berger's coach education metamorphosis. We need some more foreign powerhouse coaching consultancy in Aus, to oversee constant updates, or one of our current successful coaches trained in contemporary football methodology ( the Vidmars, Ange, Arnie, John Aloisi, Muscat, Popa, Stajic, Kisnorbo, Ante Milicic, Ante Jukic, Mike Edwards, et al), to have a national coaching role, although Morgan could be doing a decent job. The new coaching methodology pathway has improved us immeasurably - tactically. That is how we have been able to match it with technically superior teams. It takes a long time to improve technique. It needs to be done at an early age. A much more tactically astute Socceroo team has progressed to the knockout stages of the Qatar WC - thanks to Han Berger. Good insight. Cheers
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The joy in everyone's faces in photos. Green and gold army has some great ones of Lawrie McKinna, John Kosmina and Simon Hill who've all contributed to Australian football in some shape or form.
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got to admit my concern when the lachie rose look alike started warming up on the touchline for dennark
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https://youtu.be/WHdtIGv4vQYHere's the next commentary reaction compilation for Leckie's goal.
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