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https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/12/26/how-can-anyone-be-satisfied-with-the-performance-of-the-apl/

Opinion article that Apl just doesn’t have a clue or give a shit about supporters

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Brisbane roar fans protest with flares overnight. At least the media coverage is consistent now lol
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numklpkgulftumch - 24 Dec 2022 6:27 PM
Butler99 - 24 Dec 2022 7:19 AM

I hate the A-league.
I was not sooking about anything.
I don't care for, or mentioned, or compared any other sports.

I pointed out that the GF decision was not a new change in policy and cited proof by examples.

Feel free to stick to the facts yourself

Fact. 
You said "GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment
False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand.
A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually "

You claimed fans are being treated poorly by this decision and there is a long list of it?? 

You hate the aleague yet you post about it continuously. 
If you do hate the aleague you claim, then why are you trying to convince fans of the aleague that they are being treated poorly. 
As an aleague fan, most of us dont feel like we are being treated poorly. 
Thanks. 

I hope you can move on to a league that you like. 


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numklpkgulftumch - 24 Dec 2022 6:15 PM
Butler99 - 24 Dec 2022 7:17 AM


Silverlake provided the funds to make it happen.

Fact, you are wrong

All the rest is you trying to create diversions from your false claims
You have no proof silverlake specifically provided funds to make the Nani deal happen. 
And send him to Victory. 
No proof at all to this claim. 

You made the claim. Provide some evidence to support it. 




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Butler99 - 24 Dec 2022 7:19 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 21 Dec 2022 8:50 PM

Having a sook about poor treatment of fans. 
Long list. 
Perpetually treated poorly. 

This long lists are so petty and minor. 
Cry me a river. 

Other sports do worse to their fans. 
But only football fans expect to be included in decision making process of the league. 

Embarrassing 


I hate the A-league.
I was not sooking about anything.
I don't care for, or mentioned, or compared any other sports.

I pointed out that the GF decision was not a new change in policy and cited proof by examples.

Feel free to stick to the facts yourself



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Butler99 - 24 Dec 2022 7:17 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 23 Dec 2022 11:53 AM

I heard about the sugar hit plan. 

You claim silverlake paid for Nani and decided to send him to victory ahead of other clubs. 

Is there some funding from the league for Nani like there was Foxtel funding for del Piero and Cahill? 
Perhaps. 
But it's not fully funding and the club still has to pay for a big chunk of the wages. 
The league just can't send them where they want to. Which is what you said. 



Silverlake provided the funds to make it happen.

Fact, you are wrong

All the rest is you trying to create diversions from your false claims





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Balin Trev - 24 Dec 2022 2:20 PM
Butler99 - 24 Dec 2022 12:57 PM

Such a derogatory quote.
Speaks volumes of your intelligence.

Derogatory to who?
Im a fatty. Lost 12-15kg in the last year. Need to lose another 10kg more. 
The last 10kgs are harder 
It's amazing the ailments that seem to be healed when getting fitter and healthier and eating right. 
And dealing with COVID seems to be different for those that are fitter, young and healthier as opposed to those that are not. 

Anyways. 
When you are finished being offended on behalf of others feel free to attend to the actual points i was making in the post. 
You have a knack of dodging the actual points of the posts. Q
Or does it give your life meaning playing a victim, for yourself, and on behalf of others ?

Either way. Have a Merry Christmas. 
Hope you don't get offended me wishing you that. 


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Butler99 - 24 Dec 2022 12:57 PM
Balin Trev - 23 Dec 2022 10:55 AM



For any fatties out there. 



Such a derogatory quote.
Speaks volumes of your intelligence.
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Balin Trev - 23 Dec 2022 10:55 AM

He also was crapping on and on about being against people getting covid 19 vaxxed as well during worst of pandemic 😷 😜


Please quote me where I was "against people getting COVID Vax during the worst of the pandemic" 
Such a dramatic quote. 
From a drama queen. 

I was always against mandates and blanket Vax policy. 

Compulsory Vax for young fit and healthy people was unnecessary. E.g. Sportsmen and women.  
Mandates for a vax that doesn't sterilise the virus is obsolete. 
But don't let facts get in the way of an attempt to discredit someone. 

For any fatties out there. 
Being fit and healthy seems to give you a similar benefit to the only thing the Vax could give you. Less severe symptoms. Allegedly. 🤔
Start exercising and eat well. 👍
Who would've thunk it. 😁
Was labelled a conspiracy theory not too long ago. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2022/12/21/covid-exercise-hospitalization-mortality/


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Balin Trev - 24 Dec 2022 8:53 AM
Butler99 - 24 Dec 2022 7:24 AM

Another ploy to discredit the 6,000 supporters that have signed change.org petition against Apl GF decision…


Actions speak louder than words. 
3% of a crowd walk out. The rest stay. 
Speaks volumes. 

The 3% could've just stayed away. But the petulant brats that they are, they needed to make a scene. 
Embarrassing. 
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Butler99 - 24 Dec 2022 7:24 AM
Balin Trev - 23 Dec 2022 10:55 AM

Another ploy to discredit the person not the argument. 

Drama queen and self entitled bitches are among us in football. 

If you don't like it then don't come. 
Like the 26 people that walked out of games over the last week. 

Another ploy to discredit the 6,000 supporters that have signed change.org petition against Apl GF decision…


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Balin Trev - 23 Dec 2022 10:55 AM
No point trying to talk sense into butler99… he would argue all day that water isn’t actually wet…🥱😴😂

He also was crapping on and on about being against people getting covid 19 vaxxed as well during worst of pandemic 😷 😜


Another ploy to discredit the person not the argument. 

Drama queen and self entitled bitches are among us in football. 

If you don't like it then don't come. 
Like the 26 people that walked out of games over the last week. 
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DandyCasey - 23 Dec 2022 1:29 PM
Am not the target A-league audience and interest has been dwindling for years, grew up going to Victoria Park but don't watch that sport anymore due to reasons listed in this tread and more. The VFL/AFL can get away with doing as it pleases from a business perspective as it doesn't have to compete against overseas leagues.... Lower the cap, give young Aussies more of a chance, the Australian market will never be able to compete, sugar hits or not.

Agreed. 
No need for sugar hits. 
Prefer to see young talent given more of a chance to play. 
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numklpkgulftumch - 21 Dec 2022 8:50 PM
Butler99 - 21 Dec 2022 7:54 PM

As I've said before

GF is just the latest example of a long list of similar treatment

False World Cup euphoria being exposed is why everyone got their arse in their hand.

A-League attendance is already down to those who are happy to be treated like this perpetually 

Having a sook about poor treatment of fans. 
Long list. 
Perpetually treated poorly. 

This long lists are so petty and minor. 
Cry me a river. 

Other sports do worse to their fans. 
But only football fans expect to be included in decision making process of the league. 

Embarrassing 


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numklpkgulftumch - 23 Dec 2022 11:53 AM
Butler99 - 23 Dec 2022 9:24 AM

Maybe the APL's own report will do

https://backend.keepup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/A-Leagues-Report-2020-2022.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiYtczEwI78AhVVcWwGHRxUDKkQFnoECAEQAg&usg=AOvVaw0189eYuF8Ndd0aQGZH3gGO

Everyone but you seems to be aware of the APL sugar-hit program

Many articles refer to the Silverlake investment being used to 'grow the game' hence the funds not being available to cover lost revenue ie the GF deal




I heard about the sugar hit plan. 

You claim silverlake paid for Nani and decided to send him to victory ahead of other clubs. 

Is there some funding from the league for Nani like there was Foxtel funding for del Piero and Cahill? 
Perhaps. 
But it's not fully funding and the club still has to pay for a big chunk of the wages. 
The league just can't send them where they want to. Which is what you said. 


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Munrubenmuz - 23 Dec 2022 12:32 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 23 Dec 2022 11:53 AM

Fixed the link.  https://backend.keepup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/A-Leagues-Report-2020-2022.pdf

Ta, not sure what happened

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Volkz - 21 Dec 2022 6:43 PM
I see that the active groups are not boycotting anymore, piss weak, no banner is going to make the suits and the corporates funding the suites scared. 

I guess fans here want to be treated as customers, have a week of lunacy and back to being a customer. 

they probably realised, 50 people walking out after 20min wasnt going to achieve or change anything. 

Most of those active groups have no backbone, weak.
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Am not the target A-league audience and interest has been dwindling for years, grew up going to Victoria Park but don't watch that sport anymore due to reasons listed in this tread and more. The VFL/AFL can get away with doing as it pleases from a business perspective as it doesn't have to compete against overseas leagues.... Lower the cap, give young Aussies more of a chance, the Australian market will never be able to compete, sugar hits or not.
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numklpkgulftumch - 23 Dec 2022 11:53 AM
Butler99 - 23 Dec 2022 9:24 AM

Maybe the APL's own report will do

https://backend.keepup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/A-Leagues-Report-2020-2022.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiYtczEwI78AhVVcWwGHRxUDKkQFnoECAEQAg&usg=AOvVaw0189eYuF8Ndd0aQGZH3gGO

Everyone but you seems to be aware of the APL sugar-hit program

Many articles refer to the Silverlake investment being used to 'grow the game' hence the funds not being available to cover lost revenue ie the GF deal




Fixed the link.  https://backend.keepup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/A-Leagues-Report-2020-2022.pdf


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Butler99 - 23 Dec 2022 9:24 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 23 Dec 2022 7:34 AM


Can you proove silverlake is funding Nani? Thought not. 
Lets deal with facts please. 

Maybe the APL's own report will do

https://backend.keepup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/A-Leagues-Report-2020-2022.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiYtczEwI78AhVVcWwGHRxUDKkQFnoECAEQAg&usg=AOvVaw0189eYuF8Ndd0aQGZH3gGO

Everyone but you seems to be aware of the APL sugar-hit program

Many articles refer to the Silverlake investment being used to 'grow the game' hence the funds not being available to cover lost revenue ie the GF deal




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Butler99 - 23 Dec 2022 9:24 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 23 Dec 2022 7:34 AM

You implied football fans are treated poorly earlier on this thread? 

Lets deal with facts please. 

I said the GF issue isn't any different to all the others and that those who still watch the A-league must be ones who don't care.

My point was questioning why rhe hoo-haa about the GF.

Don't misquote me for your own agenda

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No point trying to talk sense into butler99… he would argue all day that water isn’t actually wet…🥱😴😂

He also was crapping on and on about being against people getting covid 19 vaxxed as well during worst of pandemic 😷 😜


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LFC. - 23 Dec 2022 10:10 AM
In that case say nothing - is that difficult.

Hey you put yourself out there - are we not allowed to say our pov ?
 Yet you counter posters who differ to yours.
Thankfully there are those who do oppose to issues otherwise everything stays the same.
talk about pot kettle.


You obviously missed the point. 

I am not saying you are less of a fan than me or you are not a real football fan. 

Questioning and debating opinions is fine. 
Trying to say someone is not a real fan does not win you the argument. 
It tries to invalidate the other differing opinions 

You suggesting I'm more of a "spectator" is trying to say I'm a better football fan then you therefore my opinion is better than yours. Childish. 

And that's my point. 
Play the ball. Not the man. 
Surely you can see the difference?
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In that case say nothing - is that difficult.

Hey you put yourself out there - are we not allowed to say our pov ?
 Yet you counter posters who differ to yours.
Thankfully there are those who do oppose to issues otherwise everything stays the same.
talk about pot kettle.



Love Football

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LFC. - 23 Dec 2022 7:54 AM
Butler99 - 22 Dec 2022 10:36 PM

Perhaps your more a spectator by the sound of it than a supporter, maybe as you quote "most" fans are the same looking to attend a show that is nothing in the pale of footballs DNA world over barring MLS in getting over it and move on...till next game.





So now I'm merely a spectator because I don't subscribe to your views??

This is a problem in society in general. 

Dismiss someone with a different opinion by minimising them and who they are to try to show that your views are more valid. 
In this case you're a real fan. Your views are more important. 
I'm merely a spectator, not a real fan, NRL/AFL fan etc so my views don't carry much weight. 

Silly. 

Can we accept that their may be passionate football supporters that may have a totally different view to you?

Can we accept that there are passionate football supporters that accept the GF to NSW decision and can get on with supporting the league and their club?

Can we accept that there are passionate football supporters that don't care about P/R and don't need to be part of commercial decision making processes of the league and the club?

It's not that difficult 


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soccerfoo - 23 Dec 2022 8:38 AM
Butler99 - 23 Dec 2022 6:45 AM

That's because we are the WORDT RUN SPORT IN AUSTRALIA, run by Bitches! See, not that difficult


We aren't the best run sports. But probably not the worst. 

Examples given for poor treatment happens across all sports. 
Top spot for Whinging fans expecting a role in commercial decision making for the league belongs to football fans. 
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numklpkgulftumch - 23 Dec 2022 7:34 AM
Butler99 - 22 Dec 2022 9:53 PM

You said Harsh not me

Silverlake cash is funding Nani

And I don't give a fuck about other sports



You implied football fans are treated poorly earlier on this thread? 
The examples brought up showed it happens across all sports. Yet football fans are always the ones kicking up a stink. 
You don't have to care about other sports 

Point is other sports fans don't whinge as much as football fans. Delusions of importance is pandemic to football fans. 
Just be a supporter. Don't like it, there are plenty of football leagues around to support that may suit your desires. 

Can you proove silverlake is funding Nani? Thought not. 
Lets deal with facts please. 
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Butler99 - 23 Dec 2022 6:45 AM
Munrubenmuz - 23 Dec 2022 12:46 AM

That's true. 

Us football fans are drama queens and act like self entitled little bitches compared to fans of other sports. 

That active fan group post that came out expecting to have a seat at the boardroom was just embarrassing 

That's because we are the WORST RUN SPORT IN AUSTRALIA, run by Bitches! See not that difficult


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Butler99 - 22 Dec 2022 10:36 PM
LFC. - 22 Dec 2022 10:27 PM

Why is it so difficult to understand that some people are ok with the so called "harsh treatment" by APL??

Probably most fans don't care about all these "harsh issues" raised earlier. 

Perhaps the drama queens are the noisy minority,?
Going by the walkouts it seems to be. 

But the majority aren't "real football fans" because we don't have a sook?  Ok. 

Most of us can just get over it and move on. And understand our game needs this extra revenue and are ok with trialing the GF for 3 years in Sydney. 


Perhaps your more a spectator by the sound of it than a supporter, maybe as you quote "most" fans are the same looking to attend a show that is nothing in the pale of footballs DNA world over barring MLS in getting over it and move on...till next game.
Maybe most of you accept mediority as a competition and being aligned with nrl/gafl, quoting noisy seems goes both ways.
The drama queens are the idiots who took advantage raiding the pitch and injuring 2 and damage property etcetc.

You make a good point we're different to other fans, ie afl/gayfl has nothing like the history football has and fans have had their say in many parts of the football spectrum.
Your right I agree active here is a joke and asking for a seat on the board is way premature and embarrassing but its not unheard of, sure won't occur in this closed league though being you brought it up.
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The 50+1 rule means that clubs are governed by their fans, while also ensuring ticket prices are kept relatively low, so as to make every game affordable, even those against the Bundesliga's biggest clubs Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund.

Supporters are vocal on and off the field, and their displays, protests and dialogue with governments and associations have provoked changes inside and outside stadia in Germany.

Before this was set up not too long ago LFC supporters have had opportunity or the ears of LFC admin over many subjects/incidents.
Even recall 5 odd years ago the noise they made about raised ticket pricing that LFC heard and kept previous years pricing onwards.
Matter of fact this was set up
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/lfc-leads-way-fan-engagement-legally-enshrined-supporters-board
The Supporters Board will meet four times per year with executives and senior club staff to discuss strategic club issues and provide an open dialogue between club and supporters. The chair and vice-chair will also meet with the board of directors annually. 

Again your right here its a joke much like the game in the big picture following nrl/gayfl, thats not drama queens or whatever other silly term you may bring up its actually the state of game and where its lead has taken us.







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Butler99 - 22 Dec 2022 9:53 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 22 Dec 2022 9:44 PM

Hmmm 
Sounds like the AFL 
Lopsided fixture list. Tick
Kick off times for tv. Tick 
Real clubs excluded from expansion process. Tick 
GF in one location for 40 years. Tick. 
Stupid themed rounds. Tick. 
Active support suppression. No. 

Remember all those protests when AFL did all this to their fans. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Hedge funds supplying marquees is NOT happening. 

Once again....
Football fans are drama queens. 

Harsh treatment?? 🤣🤣

You said Harsh not me

Silverlake cash is funding Nani

And I don't give a fuck about other sports



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