The standard of the A-League, and why are the crowds so poor?


The standard of the A-League, and why are the crowds so poor?

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Booney - 17 Apr 2023 7:40 PM
localstar - 17 Apr 2023 7:01 PM

Don't forget Tsekenis,Katholos,Yankos and Boutsianis

Lazaridis!!
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I'm really sorry to hear  that a number of posters on here suffered racial prejudice in Aus when they were growing up.



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robbos - 17 Apr 2023 5:42 PM
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Was there many great Greek players in the NSL? It seems the whos who of the Socceroos are mainly of Croat, Italian, British or just plain old Aussies.

In the NSL there where, sure  but Lazaridis and Yankos really would be the only "standouts" I suppose for the Socceroos.. Alan Davidson married a Greek bird so Jason is half Greek does that count? :) ....  Any Portuguese apart from Lisa De Vana?????
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LFC. - 17 Apr 2023 9:33 PM
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robbos few more than you think tbh as some have mentioned......
Quite a few played in Greece instead of the NSL for they got good gigs like unknown to many GK Kiri, played 6 CL games for Olympiakos, he's a god over there.
Came to know him whilst my son played for GRM, top bloke, Patikas would frequent the Club as well.
https://www.myfootball.com.au/news/tohouroglou-giving-back-game

MSC I don't know going way back before my times re Flytox quoting many anglos etc in Div1 but once I got into the fray there was alot of wogs originally but many anglos came into the mix, you only have to look back to some pre Arnold/Slater etc days ala Warren and others they sure did get into 1st squads.
I think it was harder getting into Jnrs more than Snrs for if you had the "game" you'd slot in.
As had been mentioned at Jnr levels it not what you know who you know as you mentioned, cash money for Spiro or Luca get in instead of Johnny who was a better player let alone another ethnic out.

I'm sorry all this talk is off topic yet interesting per say But I do wonder what could have been for eg, had there not been so much racism, a better managed State Fed, unity, where we'd be today talking about "crowds" - for NSL did have some good crowds at times be it here or Melb and the countless sister Clubs in other States.
IF they did have the direction and better leadership finally turning Pro combined what came in later we'd be in a better space instead of this constant snakes and ladders we keep going through.




Its like you said mate, Dont forget Kiri's mate Chris Kalantzis ... was a superstar in Athens before those sons of whores in Pireaus paid him overs to leave.....  Only played 1-2 times for the Socceroos, just enough to prevent him from playing in the Greek National team... I was in Greece at the time he was playing for PAO and the media where screaming about not being able to cap him for Greece, in the same breath he didnt get many Socceroos games probably BECAUSE he was in Greece. Was a pretty decent player.



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Here's an oldie.

I'll tell you why hardly any Greeks played soccer in Australia.



.......because every time they got a corner they opened a fish and chip shop.


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Munrubenmuz - 18 Apr 2023 10:03 AM
Here's an oldie.

I'll tell you why hardly any Greeks played soccer in Australia.



.......because every time they got a corner they opened a fish and chip shop.

hahahaha but I thought "Greek" clubs in Australia ONLY hired Greek players???? hahahahahahahahah
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LFC. - 17 Apr 2023 9:33 PM
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robbos few more than you think tbh as some have mentioned......
Quite a few played in Greece instead of the NSL for they got good gigs like unknown to many GK Kiri, played 6 CL games for Olympiakos, he's a god over there.
Came to know him whilst my son played for GRM, top bloke, Patikas would frequent the Club as well.
https://www.myfootball.com.au/news/tohouroglou-giving-back-game

MSC I don't know going way back before my times re Flytox quoting many anglos etc in Div1 but once I got into the fray there was alot of wogs originally but many anglos came into the mix, you only have to look back to some pre Arnold/Slater etc days ala Warren and others they sure did get into 1st squads.
I think it was harder getting into Jnrs more than Snrs for if you had the "game" you'd slot in.
As had been mentioned at Jnr levels it not what you know who you know as you mentioned, cash money for Spiro or Luca get in instead of Johnny who was a better player let alone another ethnic out.

I'm sorry all this talk is off topic yet interesting per say But I do wonder what could have been for eg, had there not been so much racism, a better managed State Fed, unity, where we'd be today talking about "crowds" - for NSL did have some good crowds at times be it here or Melb and the countless sister Clubs in other States.
IF they did have the direction and better leadership finally turning Pro combined what came in later we'd be in a better space instead of this constant snakes and ladders we keep going through.




Like I said LFC, not many Greek players in the whos who of Socceroos, Yankos, Lazza.
I know Katholos, Boutsianis & Patikas had strong footballing careers, but never were great Socceroos.
I met Jim at a few World cups.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 18 Apr 2023 9:50 AM
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In the NSL there where, sure  but Lazaridis and Yankos really would be the only "standouts" I suppose for the Socceroos.. Alan Davidson married a Greek bird so Jason is half Greek does that count? :) ....  Any Portuguese apart from Lisa De Vana?????

No, like there were hardly any Portuguese clubs, there was nothing really special at Socceroos level, but yeah De Vanna for Matildas, she was a prickly lady.

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robbos - 18 Apr 2023 10:26 AM
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No, like there were hardly any Portuguese clubs, there was nothing really special at Socceroos level, but yeah De Vanna for Matildas, she was a prickly lady.

Great player but .... he he he "prickly" is the right word :)
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Interesting reading the comments from the immigrant children who grew up here last mid century. As someone who grew up in the 90s it always seemed the wogs, ie croats, greeks, italitans etc were so well integrated and accepted and contributed to this notion of Australia being the most successful multicultural nation. One can understand why people like mono, having experienced racism himself growing up, would in turn become racist and want to keep soccer for themselves rather than falling into the pasty hands of mainstream society. Thankfully most of those anachronistic attitudes have died out and football is the one sport you can go to and feel accepted, regardless of your ethnic background. That's why the NSL failed, the great push to assimilate the sport into the national consciousness had been gaining momentum since the 90s but was stifled by people like mono and their fathers whose decision making and attitudes were influenced by the chip on their shoulder derived from their experiences growing up.

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roosty - 18 Apr 2023 10:39 AM
Interesting reading the comments from the immigrant children who grew up here last mid century. As someone who grew up in the 90s it always seemed the wogs, ie croats, greeks, italitans etc were so well integrated and accepted and contributed to this notion of Australia being the most successful multicultural nation. One can understand why people like mono, having experienced racism himself growing up, would in turn become racist and want to keep soccer for themselves rather than falling into the pasty hands of mainstream society. Thankfully most of those anachronistic attitudes have died out and football is the one sport you can go to and feel accepted, regardless of your ethnic background. That's why the NSL failed, the great push to assimilate the sport into the national consciousness had been gaining momentum since the 90s but was stifled by people like mono and their fathers whose decision making and attitudes were influenced by the chip on their shoulder derived from their experiences growing up.

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roosty - 18 Apr 2023 10:39 AM
Interesting reading the comments from the immigrant children who grew up here last mid century. As someone who grew up in the 90s it always seemed the wogs, ie croats, greeks, italitans etc were so well integrated and accepted and contributed to this notion of Australia being the most successful multicultural nation. One can understand why people like mono, having experienced racism himself growing up, would in turn become racist and want to keep soccer for themselves rather than falling into the pasty hands of mainstream society. Thankfully most of those anachronistic attitudes have died out and football is the one sport you can go to and feel accepted, regardless of your ethnic background. That's why the NSL failed, the great push to assimilate the sport into the national consciousness had been gaining momentum since the 90s but was stifled by people like mono and their fathers whose decision making and attitudes were influenced by the chip on their shoulder derived from their experiences growing up.

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Carl's dad Walter, I presume

Walter played for APIA.
I can't recall him playing at Inter Monaro (but I might be wrong).
I would have described him as more a midfielder than a striker.

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roosty - 18 Apr 2023 10:39 AM
Interesting reading the comments from the immigrant children who grew up here last mid century. As someone who grew up in the 90s it always seemed the wogs, ie croats, greeks, italitans etc were so well integrated and accepted and contributed to this notion of Australia being the most successful multicultural nation. One can understand why people like mono, having experienced racism himself growing up, would in turn become racist and want to keep soccer for themselves rather than falling into the pasty hands of mainstream society. Thankfully most of those anachronistic attitudes have died out and football is the one sport you can go to and feel accepted, regardless of your ethnic background. That's why the NSL failed, the great push to assimilate the sport into the national consciousness had been gaining momentum since the 90s but was stifled by people like mono and their fathers whose decision making and attitudes were influenced by the chip on their shoulder derived from their experiences growing up.

there you go, shows how little you know pre 90's.....your a bub who lives the dream thanks to the good hard working gens of before incl the countless migrants who contributed.
Its sad you have a agenda each time over some discussions you don't understand but have your own pov that is actually wrong.
Chips on shoulders and all is not the right decription but one that people like you label others from the past, no not all are like that, as for MSC who you like to target, all I see is he taking the piss on you tbh and you bite easy as and turn it around with a chip on the shoulder response like your politcs.
Your the type of anglo that represents the past the way you behave.



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LFC. - 18 Apr 2023 11:36 AM
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there you go, shows how little you know pre 90's.....your a bub who lives the dream thanks to the good hard working gens of before incl the countless migrants who contributed.
Its sad you have a agenda each time over some discussions you don't understand but have your own pov that is actually wrong.
Chips on shoulders and all is not the right decription but one that people like you label others from the past, no not all are like that, as for MSC who you like to target, all I see is he taking the piss on you tbh and you bite easy as and turn it around with a chip on the shoulder response like your politcs.
Your the type of anglo that represents the past the way you behave.


hehe go easy on the poor little sprog LFC. It can't be easy for Rusty to read others talking about who they are and their father's experience in this country when he probably isn't sure about either of those things for him(her)self..... 
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LFC. - 18 Apr 2023 11:36 AM
roosty - 18 Apr 2023 10:39 AM

there you go, shows how little you know pre 90's.....your a bub who lives the dream thanks to the good hard working gens of before incl the countless migrants who contributed.
Its sad you have a agenda each time over some discussions you don't understand but have your own pov that is actually wrong.
Chips on shoulders and all is not the right decription but one that people like you label others from the past, no not all are like that, as for MSC who you like to target, all I see is he taking the piss on you tbh and you bite easy as and turn it around with a chip on the shoulder response like your politcs.
Your the type of anglo that represents the past the way you behave.


Its not unusual that the ethnics on here would gang up on the anglo, thats the usual sort of kinship that derives from wallowing in constant self pity and victimhood. Yeah i geddit, someone called you mean names when you were growing up, waaaaa waaaaah, hopefully one day you will recover from your lifetime of oppression.

Id be ok with mono taking the piss out of me IF that’s what he was doing, but he cruelly mocked our anzacs and disparaged our british heritage time and time again. He was said overtly racist things and nobody has held him to account, rather he is condoned and even celebrated. He is a racist and a c*nt, and people like you like to cover and make his excuses his behaviour not because of principle but because of ethnicity. That makes you also a racist.

By the way, digging holes in the ground and pouring some concrete doesnt mean you “built this country”, a racist claim that some including mono like to make. Australia was built by many Australians and no one person, group, generation can claim credit.

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roosty - 18 Apr 2023 12:19 PM
LFC. - 18 Apr 2023 11:36 AM

Its not unusual that the ethnics on here would gang up on the anglo, thats the usual sort of kinship that derives from wallowing in constant self pity and victimhood. Yeah i geddit, someone called you mean names when you were growing up, waaaaa waaaaah, hopefully one day you will recover from your lifetime of oppression.

Id be ok with mono taking the piss out of me IF that’s what he was doing, but he cruelly mocked our anzacs and disparaged our british heritage time and time again. He was said overtly racist things and nobody has held him to account, rather he is condoned and even celebrated. He is a racist and a c*nt, and people like you like to cover and make his excuses his behaviour not because of principle but because of ethnicity. That makes you also a racist.

By the way, digging holes in the ground and pouring some concrete doesnt mean you “built this country”, a racist claim that some including mono like to make. Australia was built by many Australians and no one person, group, generation can claim credit.

Hahahaha. 'Cruelly mocked'. Not even close.

Who's celebrating mono? For a right wing, free speech, culture warrior you sure do have a glass jaw.  





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Munrubenmuz - 18 Apr 2023 12:35 PM
roosty - 18 Apr 2023 12:19 PM

Hahahaha. 'Cruelly mocked'. Not even close.

Who's celebrating mono? For a right wing, free speech, culture warrior you sure do have a glass jaw.  



need I say more.......talk about not reading the tea leaves and venting.


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Munrubenmuz - 18 Apr 2023 12:35 PM
roosty - 18 Apr 2023 12:19 PM

Hahahaha. 'Cruelly mocked'. Not even close.

Who's celebrating mono? For a right wing, free speech, culture warrior you sure do have a glass jaw.  



HAHAAHA STFU Muz..... CELEBRATE ME... hahahahahahahahaahahah You ALL celebrate little ol me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH 

Oh Rusty, stay golden mate ... you have really made me laugh this morning..... Im off to pour some concrete in LFC's backyard....

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Munrubenmuz - 18 Apr 2023 12:35 PM
roosty - 18 Apr 2023 12:19 PM

Hahahaha. 'Cruelly mocked'. Not even close.

Who's celebrating mono? For a right wing, free speech, culture warrior you sure do have a glass jaw.  



Oh look another one of mono's admirers
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LFC. - 18 Apr 2023 12:39 PM
Munrubenmuz - 18 Apr 2023 12:35 PM

need I say more.......talk about not reading the tea leaves and venting.

Such a cop out. Maybe you and mono can burn Australian flags together.


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roosty - 18 Apr 2023 12:58 PM
LFC. - 18 Apr 2023 12:39 PM

Such a cop out. Maybe you and mono can burn Australian flags together.


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Munrubenmuz - 18 Apr 2023 10:03 AM
Here's an oldie.

I'll tell you why hardly any Greeks played soccer in Australia.



.......because every time they got a corner they opened a fish and chip shop.

Ha ha I haven't heard that for 15+ years...
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Oh look another one of mono's admirers

TIL I'm a 'racist' because .....reasons.


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roosty - 18 Apr 2023 10:39 AM
Interesting reading the comments from the immigrant children who grew up here last mid century. As someone who grew up in the 90s it always seemed the wogs, ie croats, greeks, italitans etc were so well integrated and accepted and contributed to this notion of Australia being the most successful multicultural nation. One can understand why people like mono, having experienced racism himself growing up, would in turn become racist and want to keep soccer for themselves rather than falling into the pasty hands of mainstream society. Thankfully most of those anachronistic attitudes have died out and football is the one sport you can go to and feel accepted, regardless of your ethnic background. That's why the NSL failed, the great push to assimilate the sport into the national consciousness had been gaining momentum since the 90s but was stifled by people like mono and their fathers whose decision making and attitudes were influenced by the chip on their shoulder derived from their experiences growing up.

Righto Cletus 

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bohemia - 18 Apr 2023 4:59 PM
roosty - 18 Apr 2023 10:39 AM

Righto Cletus 

Clearly, not only are you a Mono apologist but a racist too.





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Munrubenmuz - 18 Apr 2023 5:11 PM
bohemia - 18 Apr 2023 4:59 PM

Clearly, not only are you a Mono apologist but a racist too.



I'm not even mad tho. It's like, this is exactly the undertone of what comes through his posts all the time. Now he's saying what he thinks directly rather than through what he pretends to be an opinion "about football". And he thinks we are actually that dumb that we believe him saying it's an opinion about football...

This makes me even more excited about the nst. We're getting the band back together and we all need to get along because just fuck off if you don't - we're hitting our 40s and tired of this shit. I love it, not just to see some proud old clubs back, but also its potential to rekindle my interest in the AL itself.
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Flytox - 16 Apr 2023 9:05 PM
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The first club eliminated fro finals was the Bulls on Friday night.  The second was Victory last night.  Interest was kept for all clubs for 24 of 26 rounds. 

Compare that to the excitement of the season if you had this under you: (mockup of NST by me)




Beats the absolute shit out of " yeah but technically they had a mathematical chance of making the foinals 3 rounds before the end if every other club did something to earn you 17,6 billion in a 27 leg multi"
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bohemia - 18 Apr 2023 6:29 PM
Flytox - 16 Apr 2023 9:05 PM

Compare that to the excitement of the season if you had this under you: (mockup of NST by me)




Beats the absolute shit out of " yeah but technically they had a mathematical chance of making the foinals 3 rounds before the end if every other club did something to earn you 17,6 billion in a 27 leg multi"

LFCs post said there was nothing of note for 6 clubs to play for or to provide interest for their fans.  This was incorrect.  All clubs were playing for a finals spot until the third last week.  That relegation provides greater interest in the bottom end of the competition is not disputed bt that point can be made without mis-stating the true situation now.

I would like to see P/R between the A-League and the NST once the NST has settled down.  I don't believe that will happen for a few years.  In say 3 years I think that there will be some clubs that will have demonstrated that they are capable of operating in the A-League bt I also think that there will be clubs that have failed financially trying to operate at the NST level.  Id like to see the NST start with say 14 clubs so some clubs can fail and still see a decent sized competition continue until the test period is over.  That way clubs seeking promotion to the NST will have a better understanding of the real cost of operating in the NST. 
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Flytox - 18 Apr 2023 11:14 PM
bohemia - 18 Apr 2023 6:29 PM

I would like to see P/R between the A-League and the NST once the NST has settled down.  I don't believe that will happen for a few years.  In say 3 years I think that there will be some clubs that will have demonstrated that they are capable of operating in the A-League bt I also think that there will be clubs that have failed financially trying to operate at the NST level.  Id like to see the NST start with say 14 clubs so some clubs can fail and still see a decent sized competition continue until the test period is over.  That way clubs seeking promotion to the NST will have a better understanding of the real cost of operating in the NST. 

I'm really good with having 2 divisions of 14 teams without P/r from the get go. I think the best approach re P/r wouldn't be "when it's ready" but rather setting the date and if clubs aren't ready then that's what relegation is for. I think 5 years gives everyone enough time to prepare. The important thing is getting the divisions functioning and have something concrete in the timeline for clubs to have that incentive to aspire.

I'm also good with the initial movement between tiers being decided by a playoff final, not automatic.
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