As I said... it will never suit a club where the owner is in it for their own ego. Glory is such a club.

In any case, Mitchell was not the right sort of person to fill the role. The TD needs to be someone who can be "the boss" when dealing with players and particularly the coach, but at the same time be "hands off" enough to let those people do their job in the required manner.

This is where I think Alistair Edwards, as a former player and coach within the FFA structure as well as a trained business administrator could've done a really good job... and at the same time would've been far enough removed from the playing squad to avoid the personality conflicts that in the end derailed his tenure.

Fair enough but from what we've seen, don't think it's realistic for Glory under Sage.

Remember Mitchell?

Just re-reading ATE's updated 'Player Contracts' list and it seems the only player we're still to decide on is our one and only Marquee, Gallas!

What IS 'the-go' there?! Is he going, staying, an offer on the table with reduced terms...??? :?

Nothing directly as such... except that there is potential for the club to significantly reorganise their structure rather than just create a job for a former player to conform to an external requirement.

ALL the coaches throughout the Glory senior and Glory NPL programmes could, in theory, be managed and monitored by an overarching senior figure within the club management structure. Instead, it is a case of finding someone with an appropriate name (i.e. that of a former player) and giving them a job, and (I presume) having no criteria or direction for that person other than to get on with everyone else important or bugger off so someone else can have the job.

That's a great insight and all...but what has it got to do with Naven being NPL TD and the validity of said role?

The role of Technical Director is, if done properly, a potentially massive advantage for a football club.

The key is to accept that it is fundamentally as much a business administration role as it is a "technical" role (technical in the sense of treating football as a scientific or technical endeavour).

Basically... the Technical Director should be overseeing the entire performance of the football department, including coaches, players and all other support staff. They should basically be the representative of the board to ensure the performance requirements of the football department are being met.

To make a simple analogy, if you were running some kind of workshop, maintenance team, manufacturing facility, etc. you would have your shopfloor crew/s... these are the players. Then you might have your leading hand... this is your captain. Then you have your foreman... this is the coach. Above that, you might have something like an Operations Manager... THIS is your Technical Director. He needs to know how the whole thing works, but he also needs to be able to report and manage long-term performance to the "upstairs" of the business. He needs to measure performance and manage expenditure on the technical department (including salaries, transfers, etc.)

Ironically... I think Alistair Edwards might've made an excellent TD in this sense of the role.

If Glory wanted to get out of their continual short-term cycle of squad overhauls with each change of coach and continual imbalance between senior and young players in the squad, they would appoint a Technical Director. He would be largely kept out of the public eye, because as fans half of us would inherently disagree with his decisions and be calling for his head all the time. But he would be THE man for the club deciding how we build our squad, how our coaches are measured and appointed, how we spend our money and most importantly how we measure success and failure of the teams on the pitch (from deciding whether finishing 5th and winning a couple of finals is a good season for the first team to deciding whether it matters that the NPL team loses 5-0 if it gives us a chance to play young stars in roles where they can practice our chosen game-style against seasoned adults in preparation for making their way into the first-team).


But, unfortunately, someone like this is never likely to be appointed with Tony Sage owning the club because it would take away Tony Sage's chances to make his own ill-informed decisions to suit his own ego. "Technical Director says Gallas is too old, injury prone and expensive to contribute significantly to the team? But he's a superstar and he'll give us international exposure! Sign him anyway!!!"

lol I see ATE. :p



Thanks for that Shanagar! Hmm that recent purple patch is probably the 'new coach syndrome' where squad motivation boosts to impress the new coach, some players given a second chance/chance etc... That's ironically what we arguably didn't quite see under Lowe (Not sustained anyway), though granted Lowe came in under stranger than normal circumstances, perhaps.

Still such a shame that Arnie couldn't settle and really build something over there. Such a shame - Arnie returning to this league has the same disappointing kick as one of our leading young talents returning to the A-League that bit too early (Like, arguably, if James Wesolowski were to return now?! :/)! But Arnie's experience better than nothing though, I guess - hopefully he get another chance to coach in NE Asia, before his coaching career is out.

Edited by GloryPerth: 24/5/2014 02:27:00 AM

He's astounded because he's coming back to Perth, not that he's coming back from a failed loan.

EG's little birdies are losing their chirp it seems.

None of these people are on The Perth Glory payroll (expection of Callum who runs 2 jobs same as last year when he coached FW Senior Skillaroos), these are not Glory Coaches. These are FW/FFA employees.

Why would Glory Head Coach be answerable to a TD who is only is in name because it is NPL requirement to list one?

This all brings us to the side debate of who should be running the NPL sides PG or FW/FFA? because at the moment it s FW/FFA and not Glory.

[quote=GloryPerth}
Too bad that it seems none of our Aussie/A-League people, be they coaching staff or players, have impacted with Vegalta? On that, I wonder how Michael McGlinchey is faring over there, as the last surviving A-League recruit with that club?
Edited by GloryPerth: 23/5/2014 02:39:21 AM[/quote]

The Soccerway stats have McGlinchey as only making 6 appearances out of 14. Four times he came on as a sub, and the twice he started, he was subbed off. [That site has him at 60kgs, so maybe it's been too windy for him or something].
The team sounded similar to Glory, with 1 win from its first 10 games, so the coaching change didn't have an immediate effect. But now they've won 4 on the trot, and are 11th of 18.

Indeed. Ah well, he lasted a little longer than some would've presumed, given Arnie exited a while ago now? He's atleast benefitted from the extra long season, good standard J-League training we can only presume and now gets to have an off-season break as per the rest of the squad. He can resume pre-season training with the team, nice and early, too. So not too bad a result, not for Glory anyway? :-k

Too bad that it seems none of our Aussie/A-League people, be they coaching staff or players, have impacted with Vegalta? On that, I wonder how Michael McGlinchey is faring over there, as the last surviving A-League recruit with that club?

Edited by GloryPerth: 23/5/2014 02:39:21 AM

It doesn't matter. He's list listed as the NPL TD. In black and white. Not Kenny Lowe.

Therefore, when I mentioned he was the NPL TD, guess what, that's correct!

Sorry, I don't make-believe like you.

If you have real information that's to the contrary, by all means, bring it forward.

Also:
Callum Salmon:

Branko Jelic

Brad Hassell


I think this non-reading thing is an act. No one can be this stupid twice in a row.

Edited by andytoddselbow: 23/5/2014 12:43:35 AM

Jesus fuckin christ you honestly belive Navin is 'Perth Glory's Technical Director' that is fuckin laughable.

Glory have to name one as an NPL requirement that's all.

I hope you also notice that of the coaches below U20 have absolutely feck all to do with Glory.

Edited by Begbie: 23/5/2014 12:32:58 AM

Genuinely astounded.

Go back to getting on your knees for Brewer. You haven't got a fucking clue.

http://m.footballaustralia.com.au/perth-glory-news-display/article/NPL-COACHES-ANNOUNCED/87483/1



In a font so even special people like you can read it...

FFS Glory doesn't have a technical Director, did you not know that?

Vukovic has ended his loan in Japan, heading back to Perth.

Agreed, not understanding this talk. What's behind such an overhaul - 'rejuvenation' needed with the NYL coaching staff too?! Naven and Miller are technically considered young coaches though and both Naven and Miller have been coaching the NYL team since the NYL's inception 2008/09 or so, as too Naven's experience with the senior team, under Edwards. Why isn't former Glory Captain and long-time NYL coach Naven being 'groomed' for the senior role? But I guess it's not soo simple in real-life with politics etc..? I wonder where W-League coach, Jamie Harnwell (Who applied for the senior position), sits in all this?

Naven and Miller are much bigger losses than Bobby

The thing is, promoting one 'junior coach' to develop for the future is well fair enough - One of McGarry or even Burns 'may' have 'good potential qualities' and even early promise/qualifications as young coaching prospects? But when senior A-League coaching staffs seem to comprise only 3 first team coaches maximum, including the Head Coach, aswell as the Goalkeeping coach - then it makes quite the difference to be adding both of them and also means two would have to have be leaving?

Last I checked (While ago), Lowe already, naturally, has his own assistant coach, Andrew Ord - with Naven and Miller part of the NYL/NPL set up? Goalkeeping coach appears vacant, not only according to wiki but talk we heard a while ago with Neil Young leaving. I just wonder why McGarry and/or Burns can't be added alongside Naven and Miller? But clearly not the room for that?

Seems, reading between the lines, it's the NYL coaching team being overhauled - as promoting 'junior coaches' often naturally leads them to being involved in the NYL team (A form of A-League coach Apprenticeship) first? I.e. John Aloisi at Heart, Mike Mulvey at GCU etc..?



lol Indeed. No Member's mail yet, I don't think? I get too much spam from subscriptions etc... including the TWO Glory members mails ('Glory Fanatical' too) - so it can get tiring sorting what's worth looking at and not. Usually it's the latter, but often with Glory and it's turmoil, there was a period that near every 'announcement' was riveting, albeit belated, stuff - this player leaving, arriving etc... A model of instability. What's next in the soap operatic saga that is Perth Glory?

Edited by GloryPerth: 21/5/2014 09:49:31 PM

The head coach of the A-League team should have absolutely no say or influence over a Technical Director that oversees an NPL setup or coaches that coach those teams (from NPL to u11s).

Saying that these coaches are leaving because Lowe, the senior coach of the A-League team wants Burns and McGarry in the NPL setup is the biggest longbow you can draw out of this.

If anything it's a Sage and Brewer decision.

If people have to explain why Naven, Miller, Despotovski are better coaches than those with no experience than you're not qualified to attempt to debate the issue because you've clearly not paid attention to anything those people have done. Unless you actually have contrary evidence to the fact, that they are in fact useless coaches that have somehow hoodwink everyone for years except for one valiant lone ranger with an iphone.

Well, if the members haven't been told, then it's not happening. #-o

So are all these coaching departures and appointments all official now, or still just official rumours?
Maybe Glory will delay an announcement (now known as doing a 'Hersi) for another couple of months.

I've not seen or heard it officially yet (given I don't know about Facebook and Twitter), and don't think I've seen the definitive advice yet - the Member's email - on the subject.

Mmm fair enough. Let's go with complete incompetence then.

Yes. That includes playing staff and in what capacity. See: Alistair Edwards.

Losing Naven, particularly, is a bigger blow to the club than their current protracted PR mess. If Lowe is half a manager he'd want him on his team, and I don't believe he is stupid so I believe he would have wanted him, which implies either Naven was driven to leaving by his dissatisfaction with the club administration or turfed by said administration to free up jobs for mates.

Why would you have to offer a "compensation package" to players who were out of contract?

Yes. But I don't believe McGurns were freely picked. I'd say it was a compensation package to stop playing. This is why Arnold is now at Sydney and we are in the shit.

I'd rather have coaches that have, you know, coached. It's called experience.

McGurns have not coached.

The only thing they are experienced in is poker. They should stick with that or get some experience at a NPL club as an assistant.

Mr. Grumpy Eh?

I am not saying he has done nothing I am questioning your assertion of 'a good track record'. I cannot see his 'good track record' and I am asking you to provide this forum with details of his good track record.


question:- do you believe head coaches should be free to pick and choose who they have working for them?

Are you legitimately trying to say that Naven has done nothing over his entire career as a coach?

That Miller hasn't got an NPL youth team mid-table against men?

You're such a hypocrite. You somehow have this hard-on about results, but the two coaches you support had terrible records, including the interim coach that is now gotten the full time gig. Doesn't make sense.

You also love going on about giving a coach more "time" but you're happy that two inexperienced PLAYERS, one of whom hasn't even officially retired yet, is given a role as a coach, over Glory legends who have been in these position just THREE months, who of who have some coaching record, with NOTHING against them being bad coaches, or incompetent at their roles.

You're a hypocrite. You're blinded. It's not even Perth Glory fanaticism, it's Sage and Burns love. You're clearly not an impartial supporter.