All american teams...using british motors :lol:

webber must be up there in the leaderboard, he is having a good season

I think he is 4th now just behind his team-mate Sebastian Vettel.
So yes he is having a great season. I think the win is coming.......

ok thanks, yeah lets hope he can win one soon

It's a possibility next wet race (if there is one)...but he just doesn't have the speed in a clean race.

Formula One Disintegrates as 8 teams break away



The die was cast, and Formula 1 has entered a quantum of chaos after eight of its leading teams announced that they will quit the competition and set up their own championship in 2010, rather than cave in to the demands of governing body, FIA, the BBC said.

The impending threat delivered by members of F1 Teams Association (Fota) entered a completely new dimension with Max Mosley over his budget cap proposals.

The "Renegade League" are Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Toyota, BMW Sauber, Brawn GP, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso who have officially said that they will not, repeat, not enter the Formula One format in 2010. After weeks of dangling and wrangling, the eight Renegades have failed to reach a compromise with FIA president Mosley over plans for a 40 million pounds sterling budget cap.

The disintegration of Formula 1 as we know it has happened ahead of the iconic British Grand Prix, at Silverstone on Sunday, June 21.

"The teams have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 F1 Championship," said the teams collectively, as reported by Sky Sports.

"We've no alternative than to commence preparation for a new championship."

Mosley is adamant about introducing the 'voluntary' 40 million budget cap for teams to curtail a "financial arms race" in the sport which he believes will only harm the sport and fans in the midst of a global economic downturn. .

Meanwhile, Fota told Sky Sports that it was doing everything possible to hammer out a resolution with FIA and Bernie Ecclestone, who holds the commercial rights to F1, to "develop and improve the sport" after its formation last September.

But it added in a statement: "It has become clear, however, the teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 world championship" the BBC reported.

Concurrently, a legal battle is certain to ensue with FIA insisting that current champions Ferrari and Red Bull have existing obligations which commit them to the existing format of the championship.


:-k

This is pretty massive, I just hope the sport doesnt die.

One of the things that intrigues me is that they intend to have lower ticket prices for the fans.
I think Max Mosely made a big mistake with that one. He thought he was calling the teams' bluffs but the Formula 1 class without Ferrari and McLaren is doomed.

Should be interesting to see what comes out of all of this.

FIA to start Legal action against FOTA over breakaway series

Formula One chiefs are to start legal proceedings without delay against the Formula One Teams Association (FOTA) following their threat to begin a breakaway series.

Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Brawn GP, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso, who are all under the FOTA banner, announced on that they would not sign up to next year's F1 world championship and planned to start their own championship in 2010.

The row started when FIA president Max Mosley announced the introduction of a voluntary 40 million pound budget cap at the end of April.

Following meetings between Mosley and F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone in the Silverstone paddock ahead of Sunday's British Grand Prix, motor sport's world governing body has now decided legal action is their only option.

The FIA statement read: "The FIA's lawyers have now examined the FOTA threat to begin a breakaway series.

"The actions of FOTA as a whole, and Ferrari in particular, amount to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law.

"The FIA will be issuing legal proceedings without delay. Preparations for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship continue but publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights."

Qualifying Sector 1:
1. Nakajima
2. Webber
3. Vettel

Knocked Out:
Fisichella
Buemi
Bourdais
Sutil crashed
Lewis Hamilton

SECTOR 2:

1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Trulli

KO:
Massa
Kubica
Kovalainen
Piquet
Heidfeld

Edited by avy1990: 20/6/2009 10:55:54 PM

Vettel on pole! Barrichello second, Button 6th.
Pretty funny that Button has been at the top for all the races yet at his home race he can only manage 6th!

oh and good job Webber on qualifying 3rd. Maybe this is the race........

Can they quote 'competition law' as having been broken when rule changes have to be voted and agreed upon by all 10 teams and all 20 drivers?

Not a hope in hell.

The restrictions placed on the top teams were pretty ludicrous, yes it has evened up the comp but it has completely fucked the big teams like McLaren and Ferrari and more importantly Kimmi Raikkonen so I am supporting the break away so that Kimmi can go back to dominating

The restrictions this season weren't that bad. Its what they're bringing in for next season and the fact that they're changing the rules for the ninth time in 8 seasons now that's giving the teams the shits.

Silverstone: Race Results

1. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)
2. Mark Webber (Red Bull)
3. Rubens Barrchello (Brawn GP)
4. Felipe Massa (Ferrari)
5. Nico Rosberg (williams)
6. Jenson Button (Brawn Gp)

Rest of the Results here


WEBBER SO CLOSE AGAIN!!! :lol:
Button finishing 6th was a suprise also I was expecting Barrichello to be challenging Vettel at the front but he just wasn't on the pace. Massa finishing 4th is a sign the Ferarris are improving and also well done to Sebastian Vettel.He's catching u Button! Pretty boring race TBH but this ain't Moto GP. :d

15 seconds isn't really 'close'. He's not going to be winning any time soon. Liverpool have a better chance of winning the EPL.

Yeah but second is closer than third.




FA teams back down on breakaway threat



Formula One's world governing body the FIA and the F1 teams association FOTA agreed there will be no break-away championship next season following talks in Paris to ward off a threatened split.

"There will be no split - there will be one championship in 2010," said FIA president Max Mosley, who has agreed not to seek re-election to his post as part of the deal.

"We have reached agreement on a number of items. In particular we have reached agreement on reduction of costs - we have had significant help from the FOTA teams.

"The objective is to get back to early 1990s (spending) levels within two years.

"We have reached agreement on cost cuts."

Formula One commercial rights holder Bernie Ecclestone declared he was "very happy common sense has prevailed"

The accord followed a meeting of 120 members of the FIA and came in the wake of weeks of bitter rowing between the two bodies which centred on proposed tough spending limits from next season.

Ahead of the meeting, Mosley had insisted that he would not step down as part of the price of any potential agreement but instead possible seek re-election.

The 69-year-old Briton, whose fourth term as president ends in October, has been under pressure amid the disagreements over the proposed swingeing budget cuts but after Wednesday was adamant on his position.

“I will not be up for re-election, now we have peace,'' Mosley stated, while denying he had been forced out and insisting the agreement was satisfactory to all parties and would provide stability.

“I can have a peaceful summer for the first time in three years. My departure was planned, agreed, arranged - all the staff have known for months but obviously I couldn't say it publicly because the moment you do you lose all your influence.

He added the reduction of costs over two years would in essence mean there was no budget cap as such, dubbing the process “a different way of doing the same thing.

“I always thought there wasn't much between us, now we've agreed there isn't.''

The Paris meeting was a clear-the-air opportunity for member clubs to hear from F1 teams about their threat to secede from the FIA and set up a rival series, a proposal which had led the FIA to prepare a legal claim against FOTA.

Writs against Ferrari and FOTA - which also includes McLaren, BMW Sauber, Renault, Toyota, Red Bull Racing, Toro Rosso and Brawn GP - had been due to be served on Monday, but the FIA held back pending Wednesday's meeting.

At issue for the would-be breakaway teams were FIA plans to push through maximum budgets of €45 million ($A79.79 million) per team - excluding driver wages and marketing costs - from 2010.

The breakaway threat had threatened to leave Formula One fighting for survival given the apparent huge gulf between big-money teams and the sport's cost-conscious rulers.

Mosley, pinpointing Ferrari as the ringleader of the rebel teams, had slammed the breakaway threat as "amounting to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law."

And he vowed that the FIA would "assert its legal rights."

One paddock insider had last weekend described the spat as being "as much a battle of egos as anything else."

Mosley appeared to have correctly sensed the outcome in suggesting at the weekend that "always with these things in the end, there is a compromise because they (FOTA) can't afford not to run in the Formula One world championship, and we would be very reluctant to have that without them."

He dismissed the whole row as largely comprising "posturing and posing."

Only independent teams Williams and Force India had accepted the new proposed budget caps framework, along with three new teams, USF1, Campos and Manor, as Formula One fought to avoid a 'financial arms race'.

Mosley said that new teams would receive help from existing ones in terms of chassis and engine development in order to help them become as competitive as possible as swiftly as possible.

The constructors have also agreed to maintain commercial agreements with Ecclestone at least through to 2012, Mosley revealed.

FOTA chairman, Fiat's Luca di Montezemolo, said that the FOTA teams had "asked for things which were fair and realistic" and welcomed the breakthrough.

Actually, that was part of a certain other legal case from last year...

:o :o OMFG!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:

Webber to win IMO.

is good to see webber having a good season,

Webber won't win, he'll get jumped off the line by the Brawn cars.

WWEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Webber takes his first Grand Prix win. FUCK YES!

I never thought I'd see the day where I'd say "webber won the grand prix" but there you go...

Webber won.... fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk.... there is so much I wanted to do before the world ended.

I was half right? He did get jumped off the line, he got it back quick though.

see what happens when he joins a half decent team, well done webber.

He has been with said 'half decent team' for three years. And it took drastic rule changes that undid a domenant McLaren and Ferrari teams' development work to get him there.

It's the Cool Cat of Formula 1:p...

Well done to Webber.