Talent Spot ~ Mate Dugandžić


Talent Spot ~ Mate Dugandžić

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Now, Im Not the Only One Who Spotted Mate Dugandžić, He Played For Victorian's Men's XI, and Melbourne Victory Spotted This Player. Accually, Melbourne Arent the Only Player Who are Looking to Have Mate Dugandžić. A.S. Roma, Sydney FC, Wellington Phoenix and the AIS. Also, Croatian Football Federation are Looking to Scure Mate Dugandžić, Its Hard to Realise Why He Is Not in the A-League yet, Or Even Getting Articles Written about this Player.

He Played at the Most Famous and Most Successful team In Croatia, Dinamo Zagreb (Which Currently Has a Aussie Playing Their, Daniel Visevic.)

He then Got a Loan to a Second Division Croatian Team Playing 14 Games Scoring 6.
He Definitly Has The Talent Spot By Other Teams, Now His Just Missing the Pen and Paper.
His Currently Playing For the Melbourne Knights in the Victorian Premier League.

Click Here To See His Profile On Wikipedia.
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Green Gully. wrote:
Now, Im Not the Only One Who Spotted Mate Dugandžić, He Played For Victorian's Men's XI, and Melbourne Victory Spotted This Player. Accually, Melbourne Arent the Only Player Who are Looking to Have Mate Dugandžić. A.S. Roma, Sydney FC, Wellington Phoenix and the AIS. Also, Croatian Football Federation are Looking to Scure Mate Dugandžić, Its Hard to Realise Why He Is Not in the A-League yet, Or Even Getting Articles Written about this Player.

He Played at the Most Famous and Most Successful team In Croatia, Dinamo Zagreb (Which Currently Has a Aussie Playing Their, Daniel Visevic.)

He then Got a Loan to a Second Division Croatian Team Playing 14 Games Scoring 6.
He Definitly Has The Talent Spot By Other Teams, Now His Just Missing the Pen and Paper.
His Currently Playing For the Melbourne Knights in the Victorian Premier League.

Click Here To See His Profile On Wikipedia.
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He has been around for a while he is a Cro first and an Aussie second I think that's part of the problem. No representative honours though he is still very young. I ask Why? He reminds me of another Simunic. The Cro's can have him he is wasting his time playing for the Knights and he has refused to train with the Victory I believe which is kinda arrogant!!
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Refused to train with Victory? Merrick has never approached him. Is this a popular thing on this forum, making shit up?


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Melbourne Croatia wrote:
Refused to train with Victory? Merrick has never approached him. Is this a popular thing on this forum, making shit up?



No He Refused to Train With Sydney FC. ^^ The Other Guy got it wrong.
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If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.
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from the sounds of it he will turn he's back on oz and for that i couldnt give a shit about him.
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Mm, Well You Haven't Seen Him Yet.
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Green Gully. wrote:
Mm, Well You Haven't Seen Him Yet.


mate i dont need to see him to change my mind, If he wants to play for them and not us for that i dont care about him, i only care about young players that want to play for Australia.
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If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.


Who are Melbourne Croatia?
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If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.


Who are Melbourne Croatia?

a club with a history that one of those z-league teams could only dream of
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poglavnik wrote:
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If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.


Who are Melbourne Croatia?

a club with a history that one of those z-league teams could only dream of


the fact that those 'z' clubs have only been going for 5 years might have something to do with that fact.
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poglavnik wrote:
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If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.


Who are Melbourne Croatia?

a club with a history that one of those z-league teams could only dream of


Big noting yourself aren't you there buddy? I'm a Sydney Olympic supporter to the core, but i still manage to follow Sydney FC, and im sure Olympic has alot more history and respect then you and your club do. Considering people like yourself destroyed the former NSL due to your stupidities that you brought over with you is just appalling, so before you even say you don't give a fuck about the A-League, i'm going to say good, because the only thing you can do is wreck it... What has your club got? A half ass hooligan group called the Bad Blue Boys Melbourne, or shucks that's history for you.. I bet Wellington's Yellow Fever is more fierce then them... Your on an Australian Football Forum. Quit bagging out the game and what people in this form are trying to help promote, if you don't like it GO GET FUCKED for all I care.

3 Finger Salute to you sir! \:d/ [-(
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^^^^^^

I'm sure u remember what happened the last time a NSL player (wont mention any names Bobby) gave a 'three-fingered salute'........


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poglavnik wrote:
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If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.


Who are Melbourne Croatia?

a club with a history that one of those z-league teams could only dream of



Yeah history is great but your only as good as your last competitive game and for the life off me I could swear I have not seen Melbourne Croatia play a game for nearly 20 years.
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Big noting yourself aren't you there buddy? I'm a Sydney Olympic supporter to the core, but i still manage to follow Sydney FC, and im sure Olympic has alot more history and respect then you and your club do. Considering people like yourself destroyed the former NSL due to your stupidities that you brought over with you is just appalling, so before you even say you don't give a fuck about the A-League, i'm going to say good, because the only thing you can do is wreck it... What has your club got? A half ass hooligan group called the Bad Blue Boys Melbourne, or shucks that's history for you.. I bet Wellington's Yellow Fever is more fierce then them... Your on an Australian Football Forum. Quit bagging out the game and what people in this form are trying to help promote, if you don't like it GO GET FUCKED for all I care.

3 Finger Salute to you sir! \:d/ [-(

3 finger salute? Isnt that racial? Didnt croat23 get banned until 2036 for apparantly being racist or offending people?
Melbourne Croatia isnt my club, I dont live in Melbourne. I dont know whether yellow fever is more fierce than them. Maybe go give some of these smart ass comments to them and you can find out.


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Yeah history is great but your only as good as your last competitive game and for the life off me I could swear I have not seen Melbourne Croatia play a game for nearly 20 years.

Thats odd because they played in the NSL in 2004.
And dont try the "they were called Melbourne Knights not Melbourne Croatia" because to its fans its Melbourne Croatia, named after the country and people that made Australian "soccer" what it is today.
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poglavnik wrote:
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Yeah history is great but your only as good as your last competitive game and for the life off me I could swear I have not seen Melbourne Croatia play a game for nearly 20 years.

Thats odd because they played in the NSL in 2004.
And dont try the "they were called Melbourne Knights not Melbourne Croatia" because to its fans its Melbourne Croatia, named after the country and people that made Australian "soccer" what it is today.


so only croatia made 'soccer' in this country? what about sydney olympic(greek) marconi (italy),parramatte malita (maltese) and so on so on, your a goose who thinks everyone should hail them for 'inventing soccer' in this country, get lost fool.
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poglavnik wrote:
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Yeah history is great but your only as good as your last competitive game and for the life off me I could swear I have not seen Melbourne Croatia play a game for nearly 20 years.

Thats odd because they played in the NSL in 2004.
And dont try the "they were called Melbourne Knights not Melbourne Croatia" because to its fans its Melbourne Croatia, named after the country and people that made Australian "soccer" what it is today.


What it is today? From my memory, they created a league that, while it may have been a tad higher quality, was going bankrupt and full of corruption. The people who made the league what it is today are those who completely destroyed and revamped a failing NSL, formed the A-league and those supporters who follow and support their respective A-league team.
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What it is today? From my memory, they created a league that, while it may have been a tad higher quality, was going bankrupt and full of corruption. The people who made the league what it is today are those who completely destroyed and revamped a failing NSL, formed the A-league and those supporters who follow and support their respective A-league team.

I'm not talking about the a league, that is whats killing Australian football. I cant wait to see the Socceroos team in 10 years when its filled with players who started off in the a league. Its going to be quite a laugh. Have a look at the most successful Socceroos side ever and pick which players were created by NSL/ethnic clubs.

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so only croatia made 'soccer' in this country? what about sydney olympic(greek) marconi (italy),parramatte malita (maltese) and so on so on, your a goose who thinks everyone should hail them for 'inventing soccer' in this country, get lost fool.

No, but without us i doubt you would have made the world cup in 06'. If Cros didnt come to Australia, I would have loved to see the Socceroos trying to qualify for 06' without players trained at Melbourne Croatia, Sydney Croatia etc...Viduka, Skoko, Culina, Bresciano, Kalac, Popovic...the list of Australians with Croatian backgrounds goes on.
With all respect to their clubs and I've got nothing against their people but I havent seen the Greeks or the Italians make such an impact on the Australian national team or the sport in general over here as the Croatians have.
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pimpsta wrote:
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Yeah history is great but your only as good as your last competitive game and for the life off me I could swear I have not seen Melbourne Croatia play a game for nearly 20 years.

Thats odd because they played in the NSL in 2004.
And dont try the "they were called Melbourne Knights not Melbourne Croatia" because to its fans its Melbourne Croatia, named after the country and people that made Australian "soccer" what it is today.


so only croatia made 'soccer' in this country? what about sydney olympic(greek) marconi (italy),parramatte malita (maltese) and so on so on, your a goose who thinks everyone should hail them for 'inventing soccer' in this country, get lost fool.


Are you kidding yourself mate he's not saying that Croatians 'invented football' hes saying that the Croatian community has made the biggest contribution to national team more then any other club could wish for both Melbourne Croatia and Sydney Croatia have provided a huge number of players for the Socceroos over the years. Without these players coming through the ranks at these clubs Australian football would have been without many of its most influential players.

Here are just some of the players that Sydney Croatia and Melbourne Croatia has produced:
Zlatko Arambasic (Sydney Croatia)
jason Culina ( both Sydney and Melbourne Croatia)
Paul Bilokapic (Sydney Crotia)
Mark Bosnich (Sydney Croatia)
Steve Horvat ( Melbourne Croatia)
Tim Cahill ( came through the junior ranks at Sydney Croatia before transfering overseas)
Ljubo Milicevic (Melbourne Croatia)
Jacob Burns (Sydney Croatia)
Graham Arnold (Sydney Croatia)
Robbie Slater Sydney Croatia)
Tommy Pondeljak ( both Sydney and Melbourne Croatia)
Matthew Spiranovic ( Melbourne Croatia)
Ron Corry ( Sydney Croatia)
Craig Foster (Sydney Croatia)
Mark Viduka ( Melbourne Croatia)
Billy Vojtek ( Melbourne Croatia)
Tony Franken (Sydney Croatia)
Joel Griffiths (Sydney Croatia)
Mile Jedinak (Sydney Croatia)
Ante Juric (Melbourne Croatia)
Zeljko Kalac (Sydney Croatia)
Tony Popovic (Sydney Croatia)
Ned Zelic (Sydney Croatia)
David Zdrillic ( Sydney Croatia)

You cannot possibly deny that the Croatian clubs nd the Croatian community has produced the most Socceroos out of any other club and has produced some of the most influential players in our footballing history.


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ok people.
why the fuck are you all arguing about which ethnic group has conrtibuted the most to the Australian football scence. yes the croatians have contributed alot, and if you go through their 50th anniversary book that Sydney United released you will realise how much they have contributed. and im not croatian. but it irrates me to the bone when croatians, and other ethnic groups for that matter, claim that its their race that caused the socceroos to achieve so much. thats bullshit.
to the person that claimed that croatian community made "Australian soccer what it is today". seriously mate, stop being so bias. yes there were teams such as syney croatia, and melbourne croatia. but could these two teams possibly have created the nsl by themselves?? NO. we have to recognise the role ALL ethnnic communities, whether being croatian, italian, maltese, greek, pommy, or even australian, in creating the NSL and creating the ground which the A League had to build upon.
cant we just recognise the contribution the NSL had in the past, and move on. FFS my parramatta melita eagles, are now PCYC Parramatta Eagles, with no link to the maltese link that made the club what it is. so yes i have the right to feel dirty. but just support the team, and support an A League team. if you only want to support a former NSL team, then thats fine, but dont dish the A League teams.
and on a another note that three fingure salute was low, and shouldnt be allowed.
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mitsos wrote:
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If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.


Who are Melbourne Croatia?

a club with a history that one of those z-league teams could only dream of


Big noting yourself aren't you there buddy? I'm a Sydney Olympic supporter to the core, but i still manage to follow Sydney FC, and im sure Olympic has alot more history and respect then you and your club do. Considering people like yourself destroyed the former NSL due to your stupidities that you brought over with you is just appalling, so before you even say you don't give a fuck about the A-League, i'm going to say good, because the only thing you can do is wreck it... What has your club got? A half ass hooligan group called the Bad Blue Boys Melbourne, or shucks that's history for you.. I bet Wellington's Yellow Fever is more fierce then them... Your on an Australian Football Forum. Quit bagging out the game and what people in this form are trying to help promote, if you don't like it GO GET FUCKED for all I care.

3 Finger Salute to you sir! \:d/ [-(


What a pathetic post from a pathetic individual. Can't help yourself but make a racial dig, a man of great intellect.

And lol @ saying that Olympic has more history and respect than Knights? What exactly do you base that on? We've been around longer than Olympic and throughout our history have won more titles at state and national level. Both clubs have great histories, and contribued a hell of a lot to the sport in this country. But you are just an ignorant fool incapable of showing any respect to fellow ethnic clubs.

Another thing BBB Melbourne? There was a BBB Sydney for a while that had quite a reputation back in the day, but they haven't existed for a very long time. So who are BBB Melbourne? Never seen an organised group under that name at Knights. Making shit up, you are stooping even lower. And lets not forget Olympic fans caused just as much trouble as Knights or Sydney United fans, so don't even try to seperate Olympic and make Olympic supporters of the past look like angels.

Seriously pathetic. Dumbest person on the internet by far.
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Melbourne Croatia wrote:
mitsos wrote:
poglavnik wrote:
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poglavnik wrote:
If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.


Who are Melbourne Croatia?

a club with a history that one of those z-league teams could only dream of


Big noting yourself aren't you there buddy? I'm a Sydney Olympic supporter to the core, but i still manage to follow Sydney FC, and im sure Olympic has alot more history and respect then you and your club do. Considering people like yourself destroyed the former NSL due to your stupidities that you brought over with you is just appalling, so before you even say you don't give a fuck about the A-League, i'm going to say good, because the only thing you can do is wreck it... What has your club got? A half ass hooligan group called the Bad Blue Boys Melbourne, or shucks that's history for you.. I bet Wellington's Yellow Fever is more fierce then them... Your on an Australian Football Forum. Quit bagging out the game and what people in this form are trying to help promote, if you don't like it GO GET FUCKED for all I care.

3 Finger Salute to you sir! \:d/ [-(


What a pathetic post from a pathetic individual. Can't help yourself but make a racial dig, a man of great intellect.

And lol @ saying that Olympic has more history and respect than Knights? What exactly do you base that on? We've been around longer than Olympic and throughout our history have won more titles at state and national level. Both clubs have great histories, and contribued a hell of a lot to the sport in this country. But you are just an ignorant fool incapable of showing any respect to fellow ethnic clubs.

Another thing BBB Melbourne? There was a BBB Sydney for a while that had quite a reputation back in the day, but they haven't existed for a very long time. So who are BBB Melbourne? Never seen an organised group under that name at Knights. Making shit up, you are stooping even lower. And lets not forget Olympic fans caused just as much trouble as Knights or Sydney United fans, so don't even try to seperate Olympic and make Olympic supporters of the past look like angels.

Seriously pathetic. Dumbest person on the internet by far.


Well said mate. I'm not saying us Croatians are angels we are from it but we aren't the worst. I remember in the old NSL the club that used to cause the most problems was South Melbourne Hellas. They had the most crowd trouble by far but it was never brought up and it was never threatened that they would get kicked out yet it is sometimes portrayed that the Croatian teams are the only ones to blame. It's a load of bullshit and guess what Sydney FC you can have your A-League because id much rather go watch Sydney United on a sunday afternoon at King Tom and watch a team with real heart and soul at a ground with real history and where i feel accepted as an ethnic unlike the A-League where now with this new football i feel as if the FFA doesn't want these 'Wogs' in the A-League. That's fine by us because the FFA is just losing it's biggest supporter base.



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Melbourne Croatia wrote:
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poglavnik wrote:
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If he makes it big I pray he plays for Croatia. So what if he dosent want to go to the a league? Melbourne Croatia is his club.


Who are Melbourne Croatia?

a club with a history that one of those z-league teams could only dream of


Big noting yourself aren't you there buddy? I'm a Sydney Olympic supporter to the core, but i still manage to follow Sydney FC, and im sure Olympic has alot more history and respect then you and your club do. Considering people like yourself destroyed the former NSL due to your stupidities that you brought over with you is just appalling, so before you even say you don't give a fuck about the A-League, i'm going to say good, because the only thing you can do is wreck it... What has your club got? A half ass hooligan group called the Bad Blue Boys Melbourne, or shucks that's history for you.. I bet Wellington's Yellow Fever is more fierce then them... Your on an Australian Football Forum. Quit bagging out the game and what people in this form are trying to help promote, if you don't like it GO GET FUCKED for all I care.

3 Finger Salute to you sir! \:d/ [-(


What a pathetic post from a pathetic individual. Can't help yourself but make a racial dig, a man of great intellect.

And lol @ saying that Olympic has more history and respect than Knights? What exactly do you base that on? We've been around longer than Olympic and throughout our history have won more titles at state and national level. Both clubs have great histories, and contribued a hell of a lot to the sport in this country. But you are just an ignorant fool incapable of showing any respect to fellow ethnic clubs.

Another thing BBB Melbourne? There was a BBB Sydney for a while that had quite a reputation back in the day, but they haven't existed for a very long time. So who are BBB Melbourne? Never seen an organised group under that name at Knights. Making shit up, you are stooping even lower. And lets not forget Olympic fans caused just as much trouble as Knights or Sydney United fans, so don't even try to seperate Olympic and make Olympic supporters of the past look like angels.

Seriously pathetic. Dumbest person on the internet by far.


Well said mate. I'm not saying us Croatians are angels we are from it but we aren't the worst. I remember in the old NSL the club that used to cause the most problems was South Melbourne Hellas. They had the most crowd trouble by far but it was never brought up and it was never threatened that they would get kicked out yet it is sometimes portrayed that the Croatian teams are the only ones to blame. It's a load of bullshit and guess what Sydney FC you can have your A-League because id much rather go watch Sydney United on a sunday afternoon at King Tom and watch a team with real heart and soul at a ground with real history and where i feel accepted as an ethnic unlike the A-League where now with this new football i feel as if the FFA doesn't want these 'Wogs' in the A-League. That's fine by us because the FFA is just losing it's biggest supporter base.



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sydneycroatia and melbournecroatia did you guys create your accounts just for this topic?
You're too right sydneycroatia, this z league is meant to accept everyone but lets be honest the "a-league" really means "Anglo-League". Anyways good luck to them, I cant wait to see the socceroos squad that is built around the a league.

And mltezr, if the Socceroos fans showed a bit more respect to the NSL, Croatian clubs and in fact all ethnic clubs for what they have done for Australian football we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Instead they try and point out a "corrupt" league and the violence which happened in the stands. The violence has nothing to do with the football, its just some hooligans turning up for a fight, so your obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel if you bring up violence.

You take away Greeks in Australian football, it wouldnt make a huge difference, you take away Italians in Australian football it wouldnt make a huge difference. You take away Croats, now that would make a huge difference. So yes, we can argue that our ethnic group made Australian football because as much as you guys hate to admit it we did.
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All Communities Contribute Now Croatians Have Done as Well As All Other Communities. Now at the Moment Melbourne Knights are Sitting "9th" On the Ladder, And They Have Lots of Youth Players Playing Seniors, So I Wouldnt Be Suprised if we find another Socceroo. ^^

But Seriously Stop the Racist Comments Im Greek and Italian And I Dont Care Who Made This Country Better We All Contribute.

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yes i agree that the A League didnt do well by these NSL teams, and these NSL teams deserved much much better.
but knocking the A League isnt helping football in this country. whether you are cro, serb, italian, greek, maltese, aussie, asian, wog, fob, pommy, what ever, we all have seen football get bad press due to violence. and yes there may have been a couple of individual do this, but the media made it show that it was a racial war, thus the general public believed this.
dont get me wrong, i do not support any A League club, have attended more syd united games than syd fc, even though i am not cro.
but as football fans, you dont have to support the A League, though it would help. but dont sing chants like "you can fucking stick your A League up your ass", when syd fc play against your team (for those interested i heard this when syd united vs syd fc). i loved the fact that the syd united supporters outsang the cove, and shows great passion. but knocking the game isnt going to help.
sydney united, i loved your post in another tread about identifying with an A League club. and obviously those who supported a NSL team will never be connected to an A League club the way they were with their NSL team. and to be honest i actually hope these old NSL clubs continue to have supporters like you, who go and watch them over the A League, otherwise they will no longer exist. and that is fine, by all means support syd united over the A League. but dont go knocking our A League. we all agree that the NSL teams were hard done by. and yes it seems the FFA wants to stay far away from these NSL teams. but as football fans, knocking the A League shows the public that there clearly is major major division within the football community, whereby supporters are out there to solely benefit their club not football as a whole.
any football supporter who does not acknowlege the contribution the NSL clubs and ethnic groups made are kidding themselves. but there is no need to argue one ethnic race has contributed more caps so are better than another.
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sydneycroatia and melbournecroatia did you guys create your accounts just for this topic?
You're too right sydneycroatia, this z league is meant to accept everyone but lets be honest the "a-league" really means "Anglo-League". Anyways good luck to them, I cant wait to see the socceroos squad that is built around the a league.

And mltezr, if the Socceroos fans showed a bit more respect to the NSL, Croatian clubs and in fact all ethnic clubs for what they have done for Australian football we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Instead they try and point out a "corrupt" league and the violence which happened in the stands. The violence has nothing to do with the football, its just some hooligans turning up for a fight, so your obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel if you bring up violence.

You take away Greeks in Australian football, it wouldnt make a huge difference, you take away Italians in Australian football it wouldnt make a huge difference. You take away Croats, now that would make a huge difference. So yes, we can argue that our ethnic group made Australian football because as much as you guys hate to admit it we did.


That really is not the case, the Croatian contribution is undeniable but to say its somehow more significant than Greeks and Italians is debatable. A whole lot of ethnic groups contributed to the sports growth post world war 2. So not one single ethnic group can take credit for 'making Australian football', it was the collective effort.
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^^^exactly\:d/ =d>
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I'm done arguing, we're just going around in circles. But there was a good Les Murray article on the whole ethnic clubs issue a few months back. Its a good read.

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As ‘new football’ was celebrating its fifth birthday last week, a manifestation of ‘old soccer’, Sydney United, was celebrating its 50th. I couldn’t help noticing the irony.
I was among the guests at the celebration dinner held at the old King Tomislav Club in Sydney’s west, adjacent to the football club’s stadium which its passionate supporters built with their own hands and resources and, of course, for no personal reward.

It was warming to be among such wonderful former players of Croatian heritage who were either part of the club or were produced by it. I bumped Wally Savor, Zlatko Arambasic, Ante Milicic and David Zdrilic, just some of the 14 senior Socceroos of Croatian parents the club had developed in the past 20 years.
The few who were not there on the night, like Zeljko Kalac and Jason Culina, were absent for obvious reasons.
Mile Jedinak’s father was at the table next to mine, reminding me that the conveyor belt of players yielded by this Croatian community club has not stopped.
And then there were the other former Sydney United greats who were not of Croatian extraction. At my table was Zarko Odzakov, a towering footballer of serious box office appeal the like of whom I am still waiting to see in the A-League.

In all, 58 senior Socceroos were either produced by or played at Sydney United, among them Atti Abonyi, Ron Corry, Graham Arnold, Jim Patikas, Mark Bosnich, Robbie Slater, Tim Cahill, Craig Foster, Joel Griffiths, Troy Halpin, Graham Jennings, Tony Popovic and Ned Zelic.
Add on a few who went on to play for other countries, like Manis Lamond (Papua New Guinea) and Ante Seric (Croatia).
All these numbers, the legacies and the memories, say an awful lot about how much we owe to the ethnic communities, and especially the Croatian community, whose role play in Australian football is thought by many to have passed and on whose grave many have been quick to dance.

The fact is that the role play of the ‘ethnics’ is still alive, still vibrant and pulsates through almost every facet of ‘new football’.
The A-League tribunes are full of them, the player rosters of the clubs crawl with them and our representative teams, Socceroos, Young Socceroos and Joeys, are still riddled with them.
But most importantly it is the milling throng of ‘ethnic’ clubs in the lower tiers of our football that continues to be the bread basket of our player development.
For example, there are still 32 functioning football clubs in Australia backed by the Croatian community. Clubs like HNK O’Connor Knights in Canberra, Rocklea United in Queensland, Prospect Knights FC in Tasmania and Fremantle Croatia in WA.

What these clubs continue to do is maintain a lifeline to their cultural heritage through football. These days only a few hundred attend their games on weekends but they remain alive and solvent through the many more members they have, families who share a common bond through language and custom.
They usher their kids to play football, drilling into them a need to wear the shirt colour of the old country and propagate, through the game, the values of their heritage. And they do this in their own image, coaching their kids according to the technical values of their own football heritage, which is more often than not a good thing.
Some might think this stuff to be passé and from whence we should move on.

But that’s a mistake. Move on where? On the contrary, the ethnic communities and their lingering passion for football, ‘old soccer’, are prized assets ‘new football’ cannot afford to ignore and squander. They remain as much a future of the game as they are of its past.
They have real estate, memberships, junior development schemes and academies, passion and football knowledge. Their affection for football burns and continues to burn. It would be extremely bad business to ignore it.
Frank Lowy, himself an ‘ethnic’, was astutely aware of this when, in 2005 at the launch of the A-League, he begged the supporters of the old NSL to patronise its ‘new football’ replacement.
They did and do.

All the so called ethnic clubs, and their communities, made a rich contribution to Australia’s football development. But in terms of the numbers of quality players they developed, ultimately for the honour of being clad in green and gold, the Croatian community is the undoubted champion.
Forty of their number went on to play for Australia at senior level, from Vojtek to Spiranovic, from Arambasic to Zdrilic. Fifteen of the 40 came through Sydney United: Zlatko Arambasic, Mark Babic, Zeljko Babic, Paul Bilokapic, Mark Bosnich, Jason Culina, Mile Jedinek, Zeljko Kalac, Tony Krslovic, Ante Milicic, Ante Moric, Tony Popovic, Wally Savor, David Zdrilic and Ned Zelic.

The Socceroos squad of Germany 2006 contained seven players of Croatian heritage: Bresciano (who has a Croatian mother), Covic, Culina, Kalac, Popovic, Skoko and Viduka.
Three of those were former Sydney United players. And you can add to them Mile Sterjovski, of Macedonian stock, but who also got his break at Edensor Park.
No singular migrant community, in a sport that continues to rely on the migrant communities, has made such a telling contribution to our player development.
Who is Mark Viduka if not the son of first generation Croatian immigrants, whose father instructed him to choose football and to play it in the way his Croatian heritage programmed him to play it? That is why Dukes, ‘for such a big man’, has such delicate skill. It was his father, not the AIS, that made him.

Sure, in some instances in the past the migrant heritage factor over-powered some young minds and the kids ended up playing for another country. So what? If for every Simunic there are five or six sons of immigrants who end up playing for Australia in a World Cup, that will do me.
This reality in our football make-up, thankfully, remains strong.

The migrant-backed clubs around the country, even though they have slipped from the elite, by and large still exist and are still functioning. Remarkably, in my travels I have found none who whinges and whines about being sidelined and none expects, in all reality, to be part of the A-League in some future.
All, to the contrary, are just trying to find their place in the new landscape which, for the most part, is producing young footballers for the new elite.
And they are doing it. The ‘wogs’ are still delivering. See Kantarovski, Patafta, Gojec, Zullo, Jesic, Tsattalios etc.
Far from forgotten, demonised and humiliated (as David Hill did to them when, despicably, he forced Sydney United to change its emblem and its home venue), they should be left alone and their contribution recognised, embraced, encouraged and treasured.

And let’s not lose a sight of this with memories of flares and pocket riots beaten up by the tabloids. For every one of those there will be six Vidukas banging in goals for Australia.
Those with a tendency to tremble in horror at the thought of some kind of revisionism need not get nervous. ‘Wogball’ is not about to make a comeback.
Yet the ‘wogs’ remain very much part of our football future, if now on a different level. Indeed it’s probable that there wouldn’t be much of a future without them.
Happy birthday Sydney United. May you go on doing what you’ve been doing for another 50 years.

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