GazGoldCoast
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Stifler, maybe it's an exaggeration to say we have the wood on them, but certainly I'd back our lads against Uruguay or Sth Korea rather than any other potential Semi finalists...
Meanwhile, Harry Kewell says Verbeek misread the mood of the Socceroos, who wanted to play an attacking game against Germany:
"We don't fare well in defensive organisation - we go out there to try and run over teams and that's probably why Guus (Hiddink) had such a good stint," Kewell said. "He let us off the leash and let us go wild. I'm not saying that Pim totally restricted us, but sometimes you need to gamble."
Exactly.
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daz
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Maradonna is amazing he is the manager, 12th man and mascot all rolled into 1. Can you imagine the crazy sideline shit he will do if Argentina continue on to the finals. Though I get the feeling that if he tries to slip the tongue in on Tevez when substituting him he might get knocked down.
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StiflersMom
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Quote:We have the wood on our familiar foes from Seoul and Montevideo We Do? Last I knew Korea thumped us 3-1 and Uruguay beat us 2-1.
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GazGoldCoast
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It's reasonable to say that Pim is an excellent coach BUT he stuffed that game, and it cost us any chance of progressing.
The question is, why did he stuff it? I've read people thinking he was bribed by the Germans. Now THAT is ridiculous, and an insult to man who did a great job just getting us there. But the questions raised through qualification were valid, and maybe that criticism even stung him enough to roll the dice...???
I don't know. And as with Graham Arnold, I don't think Pim is ever going to really explain it to us.
In the end, I guess that's what bugs me. I can accept that Pim made a mistake, and I'm glad he's put his hand up to take responsibility for it. But beyond that he's refusing to discuss it.
I hope a few players might be a bit more forthcoming in the weeks ahead.
Edited by GazGoldCoast: 25/6/2010 09:16:25 PM
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Woodbonk
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Pim is the second best coach we have ever had. He achieved the second best result we have ever had. We just don't have the players. Wake up.
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Good riddance to Pimbo. He was a fraudster an expensive fraudster at that. I wish we could have had an Australian in his place for what knowledge Pim had in football. We should have known he was a dud---when a manager says he never takes risks we should have realised he was not the coach for us and we were going to be in for a hard time. And when he did decide to take the risk it was against a high-powered team like Germany, which ended our World Cup dream before it started. I'm happy he has gone forever.
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Pr1mo
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VforVictory wrote:Pr1mo What about crappy Serbia finished bottom of the group and littered with Serie A and Bundesliga players. And your point?
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GazGoldCoast
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guitarjohn, I can't help feeling that Pim is a bit of an arrogant bastard at heart. His comment to the Dutch press were basically "Don't blame me, look at the crap I have to work with..." Well, he wouldn't be the first arrogant coach in this world, would he? But if he couldn't appreciate the fantastic chance he had at this world cup, then **** him. And on that note, here's Diego in bed with Mourinho: Quote:Diego Maradona says he may turn to José Mourinho for managerial tips as he prepares Argentina for the World Cup's knockout stages.
The Argentina manager said he keeps Mourinho's telephone number "on his bedside" and that he has asked the Portuguese for tactical advice in the past.
"I like Mourinho a lot. I've got his phone number, I might call him," Maradona said. "We spent hours talking about football, attacking and defensive tactics. He seemed to me a guy to take to your bedside table and ask him each time you need something."
Maradona would, however, prefer that his team do not adopt the kind of safety-first tactics that Mourinho used win the European Cup with Internazionale last month.
"No, not that. But it worked for him, right? He won the Champions League," he said.
Maradona added that Lionel Messi, who turned 23 today, was by some distance the best player at this World Cup.
"I have not seen a player at this World Cup who is even 30% [as good as] Messi," he said. "Maybe I will be called arrogant but I've not even seen a player who is 30% of Carlitos [Carlos Tevez]. I love my team."
Maradona believes Messi is ready to end comparisons between them. "I think he's there," said the 1986 World Cup winner. "I believe he's broken the mould and is ready, let's end the comparisons. Leo is ready to go out on to a pitch and leave it [the tournament] with the crown."
"Making Messi happy is everyone's pride, including his team-mates'. Because today you see Messi pulling a joke on [Javier] Pastore, on [Ariel] Garcé and he has never met them before in his life.
"And he talks to [Juan Sebastián] Verón and I spy on them: La Bruja [the Witch] is an intellectual of football, because he knows much more of football than Leo, but they start talking about it and the bastard answers back." http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/24/world-cup-2010-maradona-mourinhoI'm sure it made a lot more sense before translation. :lol: Edited by GazGoldCoast: 25/6/2010 05:20:09 PM
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guitarjohn
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I wonder if its true that Verbeek bagged the Australian players after the Germany game in the Dutch press....
I would prefer that he just concede that his attitude and tactics prior to the Germany game were an unmitigated disaster....
The Germany game was not the fault of the players, and Pim should take all responsibility for it...the results of both Germany and Australia since then, have demonstrated that there is no way that Australia playing at their best are a 4 goal worse team than Germany...
And this generation Australian team doesn't lose 4 nil to anybody...(nor previous generations actually, from memory.)
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GazGoldCoast
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Pim's comments + tactics v Germany = LACK OF FAITH
Remember "Aussie Guus"??? He was a guy who really seemed to understand how the Socceroos fit into our national culture, and what a Socceroos win meant to the nation, and where the real strength of his side lay.
Our next coach needs to be someone who "gets it". Pim never did.
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VforVictory
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Pr1mo What about crappy Serbia finished bottom of the group and littered with Serie A and Bundesliga players.
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Pr1mo
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GazGoldCoast wrote:joeb, I agree that Uruguay are a cut above us right now - they are playing some beautiful football - but wouldn't you love to be playing off against them in the next round? We would all fancy our chances on the day.
Villaboy, I know Uruguay and Australia are not in Group B, but we are getting beyond the group stage and I've clearly put this blog in the context of discussion with Argentina, Greece, Nigeria and South Korea. M'kay?
Phutbol, motivation (mental preparation) is part of a manager's job. You really shouldn't need to motivate players for a WC, but maybe the Italian, French and English coaches need to have a good think about it (whoops too late for some)! As for us, Lucas Neill talking up the Germans might not have been so clever, and Pim's moving players out of position and playing a brand new system was obviously not a coaching masterstroke...
... and those comments Pim made, disparaging his squad to the Dutch press after the German game, surely confirm that he didn't have enough faith in his players.
Edited by GazGoldCoast: 25/6/2010 04:43:59 AM Does it really show a lack of faith? All he said was that, compared with Germany, we have players that are playing in the A-league and not for big clubs like Real Madrid, weren't playing regularly for their first team - he didn't say, these boys are shit and I have no faith in them. Calm down. Edited by Pr1mo: 25/6/2010 11:41:47 AM
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Lippi's biggest problem was that he turned the national team into a mates club. Leaving out players like Cassano and Balotelli who would have made a difference is just stupid and he should just retire.
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GazGoldCoast
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Nemeses? Honestly, does this diatribe even go through a spell checker at the very least before it's publicised?
If you got past the first sentence, you might have spotted the typo in the last sentence. I'll put my hand up for that one ok? :roll: PS: "Publicised"? I think you mean "published". :lol: And now, getting back on topic... Here's Marcello Lippi admitting he didn't have faith in his players then wondering what went wrong: Quote: "I take all responsibility, there are no excuses because when a team comes to a match as important as tonight's with terror in their legs, their heads and their hearts, and don't manage to express themselves, it means that the coach hasn't prepared them in the right way," an ashen-faced Lippi told a news conference without even being prompted by a question.
"I didn't think we could win the World Cup but I thought we would do better."
"I failed to train the team well enough, they weren't ready for such an important match. For an hour and 15 minutes, for psychological reasons I think, nothing worked," he said.
Edited by GazGoldCoast: 25/6/2010 05:28:16 AM
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Nemeses? Honestly, does this diatribe even go through a spell checker at the very least before it's publicised?
Edited by AndyToddsElbow: 25/6/2010 04:49:55 AM
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GazGoldCoast
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joeb, I agree that Uruguay are a cut above us right now - they are playing some beautiful football - but wouldn't you love to be playing off against them in the next round? We would all fancy our chances on the day.
Villaboy, I know Uruguay and Australia are not in Group B, but we are getting beyond the group stage and I've clearly put this blog in the context of discussion with Argentina, Greece, Nigeria and South Korea. M'kay?
Phutbol, motivation (mental preparation) is part of a manager's job. You really shouldn't need to motivate players for a WC, but maybe the Italian, French and English coaches need to have a good think about it (whoops too late for some)! As for us, Lucas Neill talking up the Germans might not have been so clever, and Pim's moving players out of position and playing a brand new system was obviously not a coaching masterstroke...
... and those comments Pim made, disparaging his squad to the Dutch press after the German game, surely confirm that he didn't have enough faith in his players.
Edited by GazGoldCoast: 25/6/2010 04:43:59 AM
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Aren't you supposed to be writing about group B?? I share your frustrations about Pim, but air those frustrations in articles about Pim and Australia. Or at least in articles about group D.
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On Argentina, I'd hazard its pretty easy to let them play their own game when you've got that kind of talent at your disposal. I also think Maradona probably aint the greatest coach but is likely an excellent motivator. Bit like Klinsman but more nutso.
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Interesting, but Uruguay are a cut above Socceroo's. We don't have the wood on them . . just look at our history against them. Korea are the same . . they crapped on us last time out. We've never really dominated them. Pim has done well to get us as far as we have got, ditching him prior to the cup wasn't an option. It just would not have worked. He didn't deliver the play we wanted, but I don't think we exactly had the players to match what some other teams are delivering. Either way, our next coach needs to take the Roo's on with a different mentality, time for the team to change its approach. I think Fozz had some good points in his post http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/craig-foster/blog/1010289/Picking-the-right-Socceroos-coach-is-a-mustWhat do you think about the FourFourTwo blog Pim, We Hardly Knew Ye...? So. South Korea play our old nemeses Uruguay in the second round, with the winner surely a fair chance against either USA or Ghana. Beyond that lies a coveted place in the World Cup Semi Finals. My, m...Have your say.
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