Poetic justice!!

IMO, Lampards goal made all the difference. England had some wind in their sail up until that point. After the goal not being allowed they seemed to loose some composure on teh ball and then try too hard to peg it back again. This led to the 3rd goal and the forth was simply because they had no other choice.

England enjoyed a good 15-20min of dominant play up until the miss. My bet is if they had scored that Lampard goal they wouldn't have attacked so heavily and as such teh result would not have been 4-1. It may have gone the other way potentially as well.

Someone mentioned Garath Barry in instead of Gerard. Thats one decision I agree with. Gerard should have played next to Lampard and a true left side player put in the squad or even J Cole on that side. Barry was not the way to go.

The 3rd goal was down to simple incompetence. It was the 67th minute FFS they were only down 2-1 there was no need to push everyone forward like that when you're only down 2-1 and therefore it was 3v2 at the back and the rest is history as they say.

All four goals were down to simple incompetence tbh.

The first especially how Terry is supposedly a world class centre back is just beyond me. The mistakes he made for both goals were just criminal.

The 4th goal I'll put more down to England just chasing the game and Barry got put paced. It was a bit understandable that they conceded that 4th after they had to go forward. But what made them think they needed to throw so many bodies forward in the 67th min only 2-1 down is just unbelievable.

Personally, I thought it was the second goal that was the stupid one. There was some 30m between Upson and Johnson across the pitch and John Terry was all over the place chasing the ball like a schoolboy. The whole lot was just foolhardy defending.

exactly, I was quoting fozzie. I don't think it was all verbeeks fault. I was pointing out fozzies hypocrisy!