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Will he be first choice? If this is true, Atletico say they haven't received a bid.
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They also said that about Falcao about a week before he moved to Monaco :lol:

I think he'll start. Front four of Suarez, Sturridge, Costa and Coutinho (fap fap fap )

Also found this on RAWK, think it's worth a read:


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With Pepe going out on loan and Skrtel seemingly set to follow, a lot of us have been questioning the logic of it, none more so than myself.

I found this interesting article on TIA and felt it was worth sharing. It made me calm down a bit and take a look at the bigger picture. This article shows just how crazy our wage structure was/is. Now, it's very positive saving all this money on wages, but it will only work if those wages are reinvested in top class, ready for the first team players. For example, the only way I want to see Martin Skrtel loaned out is if he is replaced by someone like Kyriakos Papadopolous and not, with all due respect, Tiago Ilori.

Anyway, here's the article, and I guess it begs the questions - are we going about our departures in a good way? It's hard to argue with the numbers, but don't forget Skrtel and Reina could easily be back next year.

It's easy to be wary of FSG but these numbers are incredible. They're saving £500,000 a week. £2 million a month. £24 million a year. While some of this has been reinvested in wages for new players, lets hope the rest is too. Wisely.

Here it is:
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The decision to loan Pepe Reina to Napoli, coupled with the reported potential loan move of Martin Skrtel to the Italian side, has been met with criticism from some sections of the Liverpool support.

The truth is though, that Liverpool owners Fenway Sports Group are applying financial sense by offloading high-earning players whose place within the squad is not proportionate to their salary.

Martin Skrtel is on a reported £70,000 per week, yet he is not considered a starting player under Brendan Rodgers. The club would have been happy to sell the Slovakian this summer had the right offer arrived. So far it hasn’t, and thus they are happy to remove his wages and therefore free up a place within the squad. You can’t simply keep a player on 70 grand a week just to make up numbers – especially when you aren’t in Europe.

Similarly, Reina was on a reported £100,000 per week wage. Once the decision to sign Simon Mignolet – whether you agree with it or not – was made, it would have been absurd to pay a reserve keeper that amount – one of the highest earners at the club.

Another player to have left the club this summer, although under entirely different circumstances, is Jamie Carragher. The legendary defender was on a similar wage to Reina.

That’s over a quarter of a million pounds removed from the weekly wage bill already.

It was reported early on after their acquisition of the club that FSG were shocked by the size of Liverpool’s wage bill, especially players on vast wages who were not key members of the squad.

What Liverpool want now is for a player’s wages to match his worth within the squad. That’s why tough decisions must be made.

Take Stewart Downing, reportedly on £70,000 per week but despite an improved second half of last season, not viewed as a key player and could be even less so this season after new arrivals. If the right bid arrived, it would make sense to sell him.

Another high value departure this summer has been Andy Carroll, on a reported £85,000 per week.

Add in the sale of Jonjo Shelvey, imminent departures of Ousamma Assaidi and Jay Spearing and you have a total of all those who have left the club this summer of around half a million pounds per week. Over £20m per year.

This follows on from last year were high-earners Alberto Aquilani (£90k), Joe Cole (£90k), Dirk Kuyt (£70k), Maxi (£70k), Craig Bellamy (£70K) and Charlie Adam (£50k) have also left the club. Add that together and the total amount saved per week following departures in the last year is closer to one million pounds.

Of course, Liverpool have signed players during this time and given improved contracts to key players such as Luis Suarez, Daniel Agger and Steven Gerrard. The point is that those three are on contracts that are in accordance with their place within the squad.

Next time you hear somebody moaning about loaning out Martin Skrtel, a player who started FOUR Premier League games since the turn of the year, think of the bigger picture.

Remember what owner John Henry wrote in his open letter to the fans almost a year ago:

"We will build and grow from within, buy prudently and cleverly and never again waste resources on inflated transfer fees and unrealistic wages. We have no fear of spending and competing with the very best but we will not overpay for players.

We will never place this club in the precarious position that we found it in when we took over at Anfield. This club should never again run up debts that threaten its existence."

Liverpool are building sensibly and economically. It takes patience and perspective to see this – which is often in short supply among some supporters.

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Never herard of the guy. I need to get with the times. Seems a lot of money.
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Seriously never heard of him? :lol:

Yeah it's a decent amount but with the market the way it is right now I'm not surprised (Soldado 26, Higuain 35, Cavani 55, Mkhitaryan 25m, Ilaramendi 27m, Marquinhos 32m. So much money going around :lol:
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imnofreak wrote:
Seriously never heard of him? :lol:


To be fair, no one had really heard of him until he joined Atletico.
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What that post fails to take into account is that imo its highly unlikely the full sum of wages are being paid by the clubs loaning the players. Its also only a temporary fix, those players still have to come back, and loaned out/ possibly sold again, whilst Liverpool are still (probably) paying a percentage of wages. I dont understand the decision not to sell at a reduced fee, instead of loans.
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Vaughn2111 wrote:
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Seriously never heard of him? :lol:


To be fair, no one had really heard of him until he joined Atletico.

That was six years ago :lol: He's only really become a first team regular in the last 18 months or so. He's not worth 22m. I like the guy and he's a handy attacking player but he's not worth any more than 15m.
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It is my understanding that almost all of those loans, the wages are being paid in full.

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imnofreak wrote:
It is my understanding that almost all of those loans, the wages are being paid in full.


Any source on that one? Not having a dig just curious.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Will he be first choice? If this is true, Atletico say they haven't received a bid.

Cerezo always says that. He keeps Atletico's business very quiet. The only time you hear about their transfers is from the other party.
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It is my understanding that almost all of those loans, the wages are being paid in full.

That'd be extremely unlikely/rare.
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Stevie G's testimonial tonight.
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Sky Sports wrote:
Steven Gerrard claims he turned down the chance of a move from Liverpool last season
Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard has revealed he turned down a move to a Champions League club last term - and he is urging Luis Suarez to do the same.

The 33-year-old insists he was the subject of a bid from an unnamed club, but admits he was not interested in quitting the Reds.

"I had a chance to leave last year," the England international said.

"It was for a club in the Champions League, not a Premier League club, but I wasn't tempted. I've been through that before."

And Gerrard, who was once a target of Chelsea, wants Suarez to remain at Anfield despite two bids from Arsenal.

Gerrard said: "I think the only person who knows what's happening is Luis himself.

"He has a huge decision to make and, as his team-mate, I have to show him respect and give him space to make whatever decision he wants to make.

"But I think everyone knows how highly I rate him and how much I want him to stay."

Speaking ahead of Saturday's testimonial against Olympiacos, Gerrard added: "While I've still got a couple of years left - and maybe a few more - I have to make the most of it. And that is about adding more medals to what I already have and to leave this club in the Champions League. That is the challenge for me personally.

"It is not the same club because we are not in the Champions League, so it becomes an awful lot more difficult to attract the top players.

"But I think the club's history and size - we've just been on a tour which has seen us play in front of nearly a quarter of a million people in 10 days - means the pull is still here.

"We need to break back into the top four to get back the pull we had four or five years ago when we were comfortably in the Champions League year in, year out and challenging to win it.

"Players who come and get the club back into the Champions League will experience some of the biggest nights of their career, because playing European football in front of this crowd is different to any other."


PSG?
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Apparently it was Bayern.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Apparently it was Bayern.

Imagine Schweinsteiger, Gerrard and Kroos in the same midfield.
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Yet another CS.

Aspas, Hendo, Allen, Coutinho standouts. Sterling did well too.

Great occasion.

Dagger copped a knock, hope he's ok
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Good news

Liverpool FC ‏@LFC 1m
INJURY NEWS: Striker Daniel Sturridge today returned to full training after recovering from a ankle injury #LFC
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Hopefully he gets enough of a chance to get back to his best for the start of the season.
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Looks like Jay Spearing is Bolton bound. Good.
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afromanGT wrote:
Looks like Jay Spearing is Bolton bound. Good.


I thought he went at the start of the window. should be a good deal for both clubs, he seems much suited to the championship or a battling premier league club. I would also much prefer Coady getting a couple of sub appearances over him (when he is back from loan obviously)
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moofa wrote:
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Looks like Jay Spearing is Bolton bound. Good.


I thought he went at the start of the window. should be a good deal for both clubs, he seems much suited to the championship or a battling premier league club. I would also much prefer Coady getting a couple of sub appearances over him (when he is back from loan obviously)

He turned down the chance to join Blackburn at the start of the window. Bolton would be a good move for him.

I agree, we'd be better off with Coady getting a few games than Spearing. I can't stand watching him play.
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From Sky:

Diego Costa says he is happy to remain at Atletico Madrid, which will come as bad news for Liverpool who are interested in signing the Brazilian.

The Anfield club recently tried to buy Costa for a reported fee of £21.8m.

But the striker, who scored 20 goals in 44 matches for the Spanish club last season said: "I'm well here, I'm happy here.

"As I've been in Argentina and Uruguay I've not heard anything about this.

"I'm happy here, if the club want me to be here, I'm going to be here.

"I think that our coach (Diego Simeone) counts on all of us, not just me.

"He knows how important it is to maintain the squad, the fans know it as well."
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Obviously not what I want to hear but doesn't mean he isn't coming either.
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imnofreak wrote:
Obviously not what I want to hear but doesn't mean he isn't coming either.


How very optimistic of you :lol:
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He wouldn't fit in anyway. Not unless we lost Suarez.
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Vaughn2111 wrote:
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Obviously not what I want to hear but doesn't mean he isn't coming either.


How very optimistic of you :lol:


:lol: Well it's true. How many times have we heard players say that and leave 2 weeks later?

Words mean very little.


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imnofreak wrote:
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Obviously not what I want to hear but doesn't mean he isn't coming either.


How very optimistic of you :lol:


:lol: Well it's true. How many times have we heard players say that and leave 2 weeks later?

Words mean very little.



:lol: how many times have I heard you say that this window.

...Imno, have you got footballer trust issues? :p
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Vaughn2111 wrote:
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imnofreak wrote:
Obviously not what I want to hear but doesn't mean he isn't coming either.


How very optimistic of you :lol:


:lol: Well it's true. How many times have we heard players say that and leave 2 weeks later?

Words mean very little.



:lol: how many times have I heard you say that this window.

...Imno, have you got footballer trust issues? :p


Can you blame me? :lol:

I long to be as blissfully naive as you. You've only just started supporting a club strongly, you'll become bitter and twisted like me within 2 seasons. :P
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Case in point, Torres 2 weeks before he left -

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He said: “More than ever, we need to stick together. We must live in the present, from match to match.

“My head is in Liverpool and on helping to save our season. I am a professional and I always fulfil my deals.

“I haven’t considered leaving.



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No he won't. Spurs fans live in a world of blissful ignorance for all eternity.
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imnofreak wrote:
Vaughn2111 wrote:
imnofreak wrote:
Vaughn2111 wrote:
imnofreak wrote:
Obviously not what I want to hear but doesn't mean he isn't coming either.


How very optimistic of you :lol:


:lol: Well it's true. How many times have we heard players say that and leave 2 weeks later?

Words mean very little.



:lol: how many times have I heard you say that this window.

...Imno, have you got footballer trust issues? :p


Can you blame me? :lol:

I long to be as blissfully naive as you. You've only just started supporting a club strongly, you'll become bitter and twisted like me within 2 seasons. :P


:cry:
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