@ AJF No one had said they had to own their own grounds so introducing the HAL clubs kinda deflected the discussion unnecessarily. They just havd to be up to a certain (minimum) standard. And expansion does increase the number of rounds - we're never playing much less than 27 rounds as it's already too short (the AFC also have guidelines on this plus fewer games round reduce the TV contract value) 12 teams = 33 rounds14 teams = 26 16 teams = 30 18 teams = 34 I hope we can get to 16 teams with p/r