By grazorblade - 27 Dec 2023 1:30 AM
It's no secret this is a particularly dour time for finding socceroos who can get game time in the big 5 (France, Italy, Germany, England and Spain). In fact, from the top 50 ranked nations as measured either by world rankings or elo we are the only that didn't have a player starting for a big 5 club last round of club football.
I was curious just how unusual our performances were. So I looked at the number of players each country had start in the last round for a big 5 club and how well that correlated with the country's elo
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13uLQ9oKjmQiag9YLaKkEaIvtYGBSnKMQWRDvvyLQU8E/edit?usp=sharing
We are indeed massively overperforming at the national team level. In fact our performances predict we should have an average of 10 players starting in big 5 leagues each week. This has been a consistent overperformance over the last decade where we have had an elo that would predict between around 4 and 10 players starting each week yet probably averaged around 1
Thoughts on why this is?
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By Munrubenmuz - 5 Apr 2024 9:28 AM
+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe struggled against India says it all at this stage. We struggled to score but apart from their one good chance from the header they did not threaten us.Credit to them for committment in their defending but their game plan was all about limiting the score. The first game in a tournament is always difficult as many better teams than us have found in WCs so getting the win is paramount. Given this is wrong thread, good to see posters like you post the realistic and positive response to Aus's start against India, Booney. Thankfully, there is now an emerging cohort of educated football fans and stakeholders in Aus, who embrace the Asian football milieu - and all the benefits for Aus football. If you saw the India game as a "positive start" to the competition Decentric then your precious FFA accreditation isnt worth the photocopy paper it was printed on.... The educated cohort milieu of embracing stakeholders can all hold hands and chant their jargony phrases till the mythical "11th in the world cup" result is repeated but that first half against India was probably the worst thing I have seen in 2 decades. Agree that 1st half was horrific. Aaron Mooy is big loss of skill in midfield. But Arnold really needs to get over hacking players like Duke, Behich, Baccus, Jones etc. 2nd half saved by McGree and Boyle finally providing some service I think Baccus and O'Neill are playing the Mooy role quite well. It is more of a question of muscular, power midfielders like Irvine and Metcalfe, being exposed trying to play through a compact block - when we had the ball. Also, Goodwin needs to play at his best. Boyle often tries to beat players by outpacing them, which rarely works and he gets knocked off his feet a lot. With the 21 and under whizz generation coming through, the likes of Irvine will never be selected for Aus in the future. He just hasn't acquired the first touch to play Big Five. The best he can do in rapidfire ball circulation, is the one touch pass. If there is enough time he has good body position for the one foot pass to teammates in confined space. Where Irvine breaks down, is the two touch receive and pass. The first touch is often to take the ball away from one's marker. The second touch is passing the ball. His handling speed he is too slow, and his footwork is inadequate. It was very frustrating watching him against India, despite his other qualities. O'Neill is our best at two touch and one touch passing, like Mooy prior. The entire Japanese team is brilliant at this. They have 8 Big Five players, possibly heaps of footballers in the 30 odd big clubs in modest UEFA leagues, and the J league must be really good too. Japan's ball circulation is so much quicker than other Asian Cup teams. Which leads to the OBVIOUS question how are they doing so if they dont have the technical panacea of the KNVB and Clairfontaine like our whizz bang technicians do? As others have stated, they have gone completely Brazilian in their methodology and NC. They and are about 15- 20 years down the pathway of their 50 year plan. They have invested big bucks in their system too. About 5 years ago Arsene Wenger anointed Japan as having a world class development system . In Aus there is no money for football development, and football development runs on an oily rag. I'm not sure who you are watching ATM? The younger Aussie players, 21 and under, coming through are very good technically. They are products of the new Aus development system, having been inculcated it for 10 years or so. I'd also anoint the entire Japanese football system overall, only outside the Big Seven leagues in world football. Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal may possibly be marginally in front of Japan too. Japan could even be in front of Switzerland, Croatia and Mexico. Thjey DONT have a NC Decentric... Their coaching system relies, at least at the base, quite heavily on volunteers and high schools and also runs quite frugaly. There are more than one way to skin a cat however Football Australia, seems to not even know what a cat looks like. I understand your "anointing" hither and tither, it is hard to be objective about something when you have been indoctrinated in the "system" and we can all be guilty of assuming our interpretation of issues is the correct one however Arsene Wenger, Hans Berger and Graham Arnold are not the football geniuses you want them to be. Here are some of the progenitors of the football methodology the NC is based on - Rinus Michels, Michael Platini, Victor Maslov, Valery Lobanovski, Tito Vilanova, Johann Cruyff, Louis Van Gaal. Which 'football geniuses' do you think Australia needs to improve us further, that I haven't mentioned? Football Aus have discarded the ideas of Angel Herrerra, Charles Reep and Charles Hughes. The former's concepts have been discarded because they don't the suit the Aussie psyche or mentality. The latter two, because their ideas have not extrapolated to success in international football over a sustained period. Has it ever been defined 1. what the Aussie pysche or mentality actually is, and 2. how unique it is? Dutch and Aussie leading coaches, TDs, etc, consider the Aus mentality in sport generally, and football in particular, is wanting to dominate games and be proactive. Conversely, the Italian style, influenced by Herrerra's lighting bolt/ catenaccio style, reactive football, thought to not being suitable for Aussie players because of the Aus deemed mentality. At the same time the Football AusTechnical Dept, the KNVB, and Clarefontaine, consider Italy has had sustained success playing reactive football based on opponents' mistakes. However, no other team has has the same sort of sustained international success doing what Italy have done so well. The Aus mentality being deemed similar to France, Netherlands, Germany, who like to dominate games. Psuedo psychology babblespeak. 'Like to dominate games'? So from this we can assert that other countries enjoy being dominated? What is this? Football S&M? The amount of nonsense that has been spouted about Australian athletes without a shred off evidence...
New to the forum are you?
Hahahahaha this 'babblespeak' is par for the course. It's all about milieu dear boy, the milieu.
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