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ralerasic wrote:pimpsta wrote:Rigas wrote:Ok two very serious situations that are happening as we speak.
Real Example 1 -
Adam Dapuzzo is leaving Newsctale Jets not taking the new contract offer and he will move back home to Sydney to play for APIA leichhardt tigers so he can finish he University degree as the money on offer at Newcastle is only a little more than that from APIA but with APIA he gets to finish hes degree and look after his future
Real Example 2 -
Pedj Bojic who was in the starting line up for Central Coast mariners in the Grand Final of Australia runner up side will be signing for Sutherland Sharks tomorrow as he will not re-sign for Central Coast Mariners as his business is making money and combined with the future value in that for his family as his business can go on way after football and that at Sutherland he will be on close to $2k per week he is getting better money playing for sutherland and working rather than playing for CCM.
People stop attacking me I am putting real life examples and decisions players and people have to make and this is the stuff I was referring to there IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE A-LEAGUE.
to one-touch - eisai malakes kai den katalaves so ade ksipna zon Example 1 - Adam left to be closer to hes family, money was not an object, jets could of offerd him anything he would of said no, Example 2 - well when your the boss of a company you tend to make a fair bit of money aswell, but tell me how many state league players are in Pedj's shoes? Don't where this rumour came from about Adam going to APIA. It ain't happening. Rigas do you just make things up? Seems the Pedj Bojic thing may be another questionable statement too. I sense a trend :)
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pimpsta wrote:Rigas wrote:Ok two very serious situations that are happening as we speak.
Real Example 1 -
Adam Dapuzzo is leaving Newsctale Jets not taking the new contract offer and he will move back home to Sydney to play for APIA leichhardt tigers so he can finish he University degree as the money on offer at Newcastle is only a little more than that from APIA but with APIA he gets to finish hes degree and look after his future
Real Example 2 -
Pedj Bojic who was in the starting line up for Central Coast mariners in the Grand Final of Australia runner up side will be signing for Sutherland Sharks tomorrow as he will not re-sign for Central Coast Mariners as his business is making money and combined with the future value in that for his family as his business can go on way after football and that at Sutherland he will be on close to $2k per week he is getting better money playing for sutherland and working rather than playing for CCM.
People stop attacking me I am putting real life examples and decisions players and people have to make and this is the stuff I was referring to there IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE A-LEAGUE.
to one-touch - eisai malakes kai den katalaves so ade ksipna zon Example 1 - Adam left to be closer to hes family, money was not an object, jets could of offerd him anything he would of said no, Example 2 - well when your the boss of a company you tend to make a fair bit of money aswell, but tell me how many state league players are in Pedj's shoes? Don't where this rumour came from about Adam going to APIA. It ain't happening. Rigas do you just make things up?
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Rigas wrote:Ok two very serious situations that are happening as we speak.
Real Example 1 -
Adam Dapuzzo is leaving Newsctale Jets not taking the new contract offer and he will move back home to Sydney to play for APIA leichhardt tigers so he can finish he University degree as the money on offer at Newcastle is only a little more than that from APIA but with APIA he gets to finish hes degree and look after his future
Real Example 2 -
Pedj Bojic who was in the starting line up for Central Coast mariners in the Grand Final of Australia runner up side will be signing for Sutherland Sharks tomorrow as he will not re-sign for Central Coast Mariners as his business is making money and combined with the future value in that for his family as his business can go on way after football and that at Sutherland he will be on close to $2k per week he is getting better money playing for sutherland and working rather than playing for CCM.
People stop attacking me I am putting real life examples and decisions players and people have to make and this is the stuff I was referring to there IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE A-LEAGUE.
to one-touch - eisai malakes kai den katalaves so ade ksipna zon Example 1 - Adam left to be closer to hes family, money was not an object, jets could of offerd him anything he would of said no, Example 2 - well when your the boss of a company you tend to make a fair bit of money aswell, but tell me how many state league players are in Pedj's shoes?
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Hawks wrote:Heart_fan wrote:Hawks wrote:I would play state, would be fun to play for a real club tbh. even if it's only part time, if you can earn money in other avenues who cares. If someone has ambition to go further, they do not truely care if its a 'real' club, or a franchise, its about playing pro football and getting paid to concentrate solely on it. If they dont have that ambition, they can do what they like, and connect to a club based on whatever emotional responses they have to the badge. So you think, even if you were as good as say a tommy oar, but played for state, you wouldn't get noticed? Edited by hawks: 17/3/2011 05:57:44 PM Well tbh, theres a couple of points to make from that. If you were not playing, or living, a FT football lifestyle, you may not be in the right mindset to take the next step, especially overseas. To play in the top overseas leagues you need to be ready to commit 100% to football, so if you get a chance to take it in the HAL, its likely best you attempt that option. Added to that, given that international scouts will tend to look at the highest tier first, you may go unnoticed for bigger and better things if you are not in the main shop window. Theres plenty of talent in the SL's, but its up to the player to put himself forward to commit to a football career. If he does not care as much about making a move like that, he will he happy to play and work at the same time. Its all about priorities, and where football sits ina persons life.
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Heart_fan wrote:Hawks wrote:I would play state, would be fun to play for a real club tbh. even if it's only part time, if you can earn money in other avenues who cares. If someone has ambition to go further, they do not truely care if its a 'real' club, or a franchise, its about playing pro football and getting paid to concentrate solely on it. If they dont have that ambition, they can do what they like, and connect to a club based on whatever emotional responses they have to the badge. So you think, even if you were as good as say a tommy oar, but played for state, you wouldn't get noticed? Edited by hawks: 17/3/2011 05:57:44 PM
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Hawks wrote:I would play state, would be fun to play for a real club tbh. even if it's only part time, if you can earn money in other avenues who cares. If someone has ambition to go further, they do not truely care if its a 'real' club, or a franchise, its about playing pro football and getting paid to concentrate solely on it. If they dont have that ambition, they can do what they like, and connect to a club based on whatever emotional responses they have to the badge.
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Rigas wrote:Heart_fan wrote:Rigas wrote:Heart_fan wrote:Rigas wrote:you and joffa are the queens of b.s Hehe.. Dont worry we love your work too... not:) . competitors ah Nah really couldnt care less TBH. Its just fun reading your posts, as they are so full of underlying agendas, disguised as something else, from whatever username that is in use at the time. Back on topic, before your attempt at humour, it will always be about personal circumstance and priorities. As much as you seem to think it is the case, just because someone chooses to play in the NSWPL/VPL over the HAL, does not mean it devalues the latter. plain and simply you hit the nail on the head a-league is junk Plain and simple? Wow, you really are showing your true colours there. I think you confuse your blind hate for the reality.
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I would play state, would be fun to play for a real club tbh. even if it's only part time, if you can earn money in other avenues who cares.
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Heart_fan wrote:Rigas wrote:Heart_fan wrote:Rigas wrote:you and joffa are the queens of b.s Hehe.. Dont worry we love your work too... not:) . competitors ah Nah really couldnt care less TBH. Its just fun reading your posts, as they are so full of underlying agendas, disguised as something else, from whatever username that is in use at the time. Back on topic, before your attempt at humour, it will always be about personal circumstance and priorities. As much as you seem to think it is the case, just because someone chooses to play in the NSWPL/VPL over the HAL, does not mean it devalues the latter. plain and simply you hit the nail on the head a-league is junk
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Rigas wrote:Heart_fan wrote:Rigas wrote:you and joffa are the queens of b.s Hehe.. Dont worry we love your work too... not:) . competitors ah Nah really couldnt care less TBH. Its just fun reading your posts, as they are so full of underlying agendas, disguised as something else, from whatever username that is in use at the time. Back on topic, before your attempt at humour, it will always be about personal circumstance and priorities. As much as you seem to think it is the case, just because someone chooses to play in the NSWPL/VPL over the HAL, does not mean it devalues the latter.
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Heart_fan wrote:Rigas wrote:you and joffa are the queens of b.s Hehe.. Dont worry we love your work too... not:) . competitors ah
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Rigas wrote:you and joffa are the queens of b.s Hehe.. Dont worry we love your work too... not:)
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you and joffa are the queens of b.s
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Rigas wrote:Heart_fan wrote:Rigas wrote:Joffa wrote:What we are talking about here is people who are making a cost benefit analysis in regards to themselves, their family and their skill level...if Adam D'apuzzo had the skill level of Harry Kewell or even Richard Garcia then it wouldn't be an issue he would be playing in Europe....you are talking about players towards the lower end of the ability scale. yes but joffa any player in the top level of any country in europe would not have to make these decisions. understand crazy guy Being a FT professional, anywhere in the world, takes alot of effort and dedication, and often may cut off career moves that a person wants to undertake at that time. If someone prioritised other things above football then it might still be a consideration overseas. Its not always a pure money equation. Now do you understand understand, crazy guy? Edited by heart_fan: 17/3/2011 02:59:41 PM welcome joffas little apprentice Very funny man. Your a comedian. The comedy festival is just around the corner, so you better hurry up and sign up to it. If you have something worthwhile to add, do it, but leave out the BS along the way. Edited by heart_fan: 17/3/2011 05:01:40 PM
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Many State League players do turn down A-League opportunities for this reason (not to be confused with players who wouldnt be interested but have never actually been approached anyway)
Some of the highest paid players would be getting paid anywhere between 500-1500 a game cash in hand. Ozbey was rumoured to be getting close to 2k a game while at Marconi, IIRC. Now unless youre young and ambitious youre probably not going to turn down 800 cash and quit your 60k to play in the A-League for 80k
ps. I hear that Damian Brosque (Alex's brother) will be playing park football this season. He was the NSWPL youth player of the year and had a stint with Jets youth as well. A bit surprising
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Heart_fan wrote:Rigas wrote:Joffa wrote:What we are talking about here is people who are making a cost benefit analysis in regards to themselves, their family and their skill level...if Adam D'apuzzo had the skill level of Harry Kewell or even Richard Garcia then it wouldn't be an issue he would be playing in Europe....you are talking about players towards the lower end of the ability scale. yes but joffa any player in the top level of any country in europe would not have to make these decisions. understand crazy guy Being a FT professional, anywhere in the world, takes alot of effort and dedication, and often may cut off career moves that a person wants to undertake at that time. If someone prioritised other things above football then it might still be a consideration overseas. Its not always a pure money equation. Now do you understand understand, crazy guy? Edited by heart_fan: 17/3/2011 02:59:41 PM welcome joffas little apprentice
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Rigas wrote:Joffa wrote:What we are talking about here is people who are making a cost benefit analysis in regards to themselves, their family and their skill level...if Adam D'apuzzo had the skill level of Harry Kewell or even Richard Garcia then it wouldn't be an issue he would be playing in Europe....you are talking about players towards the lower end of the ability scale. yes but joffa any player in the top level of any country in europe would not have to make these decisions. understand crazy guy Being a FT professional, anywhere in the world, takes alot of effort and dedication, and often may cut off career moves that a person wants to undertake at that time. If someone prioritised other things above football then it might still be a consideration overseas. Its not always a pure money equation. Now do you understand understand, crazy guy? Edited by heart_fan: 17/3/2011 02:59:41 PM
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Joffa wrote:What we are talking about here is people who are making a cost benefit analysis in regards to themselves, their family and their skill level...if Adam D'apuzzo had the skill level of Harry Kewell or even Richard Garcia then it wouldn't be an issue he would be playing in Europe....you are talking about players towards the lower end of the ability scale. yes but joffa any player in the top level of any country in europe would not have to make these decisions. understand crazy guy
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What we are talking about here is people who are making a cost benefit analysis in regards to themselves, their family and their skill level...if Adam D'apuzzo had the skill level of Harry Kewell or even Richard Garcia then it wouldn't be an issue he would be playing in Europe....you are talking about players towards the lower end of the ability scale.
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IMHO, it all depends on how the player views football in their life. If it is a lesser priority, with limited ambition to go further in the game, they will enjoy PT more than FT. The real benefits of FT are the chance to live football, with less stress from having to do another job at the same time, and to prepare for a career in a higher division somewhere on this earth.
The examples that were listed earlier about going back to SL/PT from HAL clubs were personal choices, nothing more, nothing less, which suited their career ambitions.
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his name is George Nohra
see this is a real life situation
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Joffa wrote:Quote:Squad and salary cap An A-League squad must have between 20 and 23 players, with a maximum of 5 players from outside Australia and New Zealand.[21] The squad must also include at least three under-20 players[22] and may have one additional player from the Asian Football Confederation[citation needed]. For the 2010-11 season, each club has a salary cap of A$2.35 million (excluding Marquee, guest and replacement players) on top of Additional Services Agreements (ASA's) that can be worth up to A$275,000[21] – much less than the millions of dollars a year that individual star players (including some Australians) earn in Europe's top football leagues. The average annual salary for an A-league player excluding Marquee players is A$106,608 and the minimum salary is A$46,215http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_A-League#Squad_and_salary_cap A-League for me...and I'm tipping if you asked the State League players most of them would say A-League as well... not realy, i know a lot of state league players that would say no. the average salary might be $106,608 as you say but a lot of them are only on 40 50 60 thousand. there is a guy at bankstown who nearly every aleague club has tried to sign since seasion one but his business can earn him more. cant think of his name
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A-League. Would Langerak/McKay/Oar/Kruse get picked by big Euro clubs if they were having a kick about with Sutherland or Green Gully? Fuck no. A-League = wage plus sponsorship plus exposure.
Also, as was mentioned, players have their degrees paid for by clubs. I think this would be a great idea for clubs to sponsor their youth team players at uni or TAFE - it's one thing the NRL do that I think the FFA should seriously look at.
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Pedj Bogic story true? disappointing. Good contestant
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ben has a big future in europe so i would put him in the its better to be in the a-league scenario
but not many like ben unfortunately
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Rigas wrote:Ok two very serious situations that are happening as we speak.
Real Example 1 -
Adam Dapuzzo is leaving Newsctale Jets not taking the new contract offer and he will move back home to Sydney to play for APIA leichhardt tigers so he can finish he University degree as the money on offer at Newcastle is only a little more than that from APIA but with APIA he gets to finish hes degree and look after his future
I have another example for you Ben Kanatrovski Playing for the Newcastle Jets getting paid large whilst studying a double degreen in Law and Sports Physio paid for by the club along with his wage because he showed loyalty adn realises that Football is only a 20 -25 year job. D'apuzo has been trying to leave for a while so the club let him go. he didn't turn down a contract, he thought he was going to be signing with SFC and has to settle for APIA it seems.
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Im still perplexed by the subject "make more money were"? were who?
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You know that you're actually allowed to go to uni after you finish playing aye?
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Ok two very serious situations that are happening as we speak.
Real Example 1 -
Adam Dapuzzo is leaving Newsctale Jets not taking the new contract offer and he will move back home to Sydney to play for APIA leichhardt tigers so he can finish he University degree as the money on offer at Newcastle is only a little more than that from APIA but with APIA he gets to finish hes degree and look after his future
Real Example 2 -
Pedj Bojic who was in the starting line up for Central Coast mariners in the Grand Final of Australia runner up side will be signing for Sutherland Sharks tomorrow as he will not re-sign for Central Coast Mariners as his business is making money and combined with the future value in that for his family as his business can go on way after football and that at Sutherland he will be on close to $2k per week he is getting better money playing for sutherland and working rather than playing for CCM.
People stop attacking me I am putting real life examples and decisions players and people have to make and this is the stuff I was referring to there IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE A-LEAGUE.
to one-touch - eisai malakes kai den katalaves so ade ksipna zon
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one_toouch wrote:ope rigas, alaxe to ovoma sou. DAMA would be much more appropriate for you... man you epitomise why the old teams will never rise.. shame really, if they could cut themselves loose of malakas like you they might actually have a chance to get into this country's premier competition one day Play soccer professionally and earn a living from it (most players a pretty damn good living)..or play park soccer and have to carry a 2nd job on top to make enough to live on..oh yeah i bet the players have to ponder on that decision.
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